Anyone ever reduce the dose of straight test cycle

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Having a rough time on 400 a week of test C, taking an A.I every 3 days, might be I’m prone to sides, work outs feel like garbage a, diet is good possible I might be having a reaction? My gear is good, can’t get blood work
 

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Having a rough time on 400 a week of test C, taking an A.I every 3 days, might be I’m prone to sides, work outs feel like garbage a, diet is good possible I might be having a reaction? My gear is good, can’t get blood work
It would not hurt to drop down to 300mg per week.
 

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I could never take more than 300mg and to be honest, I got more out of that than most guys I knew running 500. Once I go over 300 I just feel like crap and always have a racing heart, which makes me feel super unhealthy.
 
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I could never take more than 300mg and to be honest, I got more out of that than most guys I knew running 500. Once I go over 300 I just feel like crap and always have a racing heart, which makes me feel super unhealthy.
Thanks bro, that’s exactly what I was getting, hearing other guys first hand experience really adds to research
 
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I have ran up to a gram before and really just run 250mg now. Feel the returns past that are pretty diminished for me.

Also, not sure what you’re dozing your AI at but make you’re not tanking your estro.
 
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I have ran up to a gram before and really just run 250mg now. Feel the returns past that are pretty diminished for me.

Also, not sure what you’re dozing your AI at but make you’re not tanking your estro.
I’m doing 1/2 mg of arimidex twice a week so far, might be a bit much, I’m still pretty tired through out the day
 
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I never needed to run a ai on just test cycles. Maybe try lowering the dose to once a week
Definitely want to, but my only concern is injecting more test than I am at the moment, and what I mean by that is I’m currently doing .80ml twice a week which is equaling .400 mg a week, 1 shot a week at 300 mg would be 1.2 ml in a single injection, question I got is , will that amount of test in a single injection hit harder being all in one pin?
 

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Definitely want to, but my only concern is injecting more test than I am at the moment, and what I mean by that is I’m currently doing .80ml twice a week which is equaling .400 mg a week, 1 shot a week at 300 mg would be 1.2 ml in a single injection, question I got is , will that amount of test in a single injection hit harder being all in one pin?
He means lower your AI to once a week
 
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The real problem bro is you’re all over the place man. Homeostasis takes a minimum of time... you didn’t take AI at all, realised you needed some by the time you felt like ****, then you most likely took a inconsistent dose / don’t really know what’s your needed AI dose... its normal that you don’t really feel good man.
 
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Stick with your current dose. Your body will balance out and you will be able to dial in your ai dose.
a lot of it can be in your head as well.

are you running anything else besides just test?

list out all of the sides you are having
 
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I agree with the 2 guys above.....you definitely need to dial in an ai dose. Tanking your estro could easily be the reason you feel like you do.
 
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I think you guys are right, instead of waiting for signs like water retention and elevated blood pressure, fatigue, that I should maybe be taking my A.I consistent twice a week at .5mg each time, I’m just having a hell of a time telling if I’m tank my estrogen, I’m reading a lot of guys take there a.i with each pin, and I’ve got no other stack besides just test C
 
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I think you guys are right, instead of waiting for signs like water retention and elevated blood pressure, fatigue, that I should maybe be taking my A.I consistent twice a week at .5mg each time, I’m just having a hell of a time telling if I’m tank my estrogen, I’m reading a lot of guys take there a.i with each pin, and I’ve got no other stack besides just test C
to be honest my approach (and what I consider to be the best approach in the absence of bloods) is to wait for the high estrogen sign in my nipples (my right one comes first) and then dose a low ish amount,

I do get bloods pretty frequently but normally that’s mid cycle (and obviously you don’t want to leave estrogen too high for weeks) so I do it this way. Obviously over a few months you soon find the level that you need.
 

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I think you guys are right, instead of waiting for signs like water retention and elevated blood pressure, fatigue, that I should maybe be taking my A.I consistent twice a week at .5mg each time, I’m just having a hell of a time telling if I’m tank my estrogen, I’m reading a lot of guys take there a.i with each pin, and I’ve got no other stack besides just test C
Why cant you get bloodwork? You should see where your e2 is at.


If anyone has experience with bad sides from moderate dose test cycle thats me lol.

I used 500 a week, and crashed e2 twice. You will kniw when you crash it, you will yend to fall asleep during the day lol, i did.

As far as racing heart, yes. At 500 test my resting heart rate was up by about 10 bpm. Test is not selective, it is an androgen, and you will feel amped up.
Even tren is much more selective and myotrophic than test, it sjust that it is so much more potent and sides do show up at comparatively lower dose, because it is so strong. But most compounds are more selective towards building muscle than test, and comparatively less androgenic, except stuff lioe masteron perhaps.

also, lowering e2 too much can lead to anxiety and panic attacks if you are prone, it did for me.



All in all, you may be one of those people who dont tolerate moderate and high doses of aas well, i am certainly one of them. But i dont care, from then on i started to use doses most would laugh at.

But i can tell you that this summer i used 250 test e and 100 tren a since i had such a bad experience with 500 test. Sides were almost non existent and gains were twice as good as on 500 test!


I sincerely believe one, even though there is so much info out there, will eventually have to experiment on his own and find what drug cocktail works best for him.


The trick, imo is to start out using the smallest possible effective dose, and then increase in order to reach goals (if needed). There is no need to run set amount, ie. 500mg a week, just because others said so,

^^^and this is exactly why, like i said in another thread, am a fan of short esters, its easy to manioulate the dose, but i am into stacking, and only use enanthate as a base at a lower dose.
 
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It could be in your head. Get some blood work done for like 60 bucks...it will put your mind at ease.
 
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Why cant you get bloodwork? You should see where your e2 is at.


If anyone has experience with bad sides from moderate dose test cycle thats me lol.

I used 500 a week, and crashed e2 twice. You will kniw when you crash it, you will yend to fall asleep during the day lol, i did.

As far as racing heart, yes. At 500 test my resting heart rate was up by about 10 bpm. Test is not selective, it is an androgen, and you will feel amped up.
Even tren is much more selective and myotrophic than test, it sjust that it is so much more potent and sides do show up at comparatively lower dose, because it is so strong. But most compounds are more selective towards building muscle than test, and comparatively less androgenic, except stuff lioe masteron perhaps.

also, lowering e2 too much can lead to anxiety and panic attacks if you are prone, it did for me.



All in all, you may be one of those people who dont tolerate moderate and high doses of aas well, i am certainly one of them. But i dont care, from then on i started to use doses most would laugh at.

But i can tell you that this summer i used 250 test e and 100 tren a since i had such a bad experience with 500 test. Sides were almost non existent and gains were twice as good as on 500 test!


I sincerely believe one, even though there is so much info out there, will eventually have to experiment on his own and find what drug cocktail works best for him.


The trick, imo is to start out using the smallest possible effective dose, and then increase in order to reach goals (if needed). There is no need to run set amount, ie. 500mg a week, just because others said so,

^^^and this is exactly why, like i said in another thread, am a fan of short esters, its easy to manioulate the dose, but i am into stacking, and only use enanthate as a base at a lower dose.
To get blood done in sask here you have to be appointed by a doctor and can’t get private blood work done, it sucks,
I’m actually considering doing two pins a week right now at 125mg of test in each pin, I haven’t injected since last Friday , I’m so torn wether to just throw the towel in and call it good, I definitely could have crashed my estrogen , but I had only had 2 doses of .5 arimidex, guess it’s just a matter of finding a sweet dose amount, just really nervous now about doing a single injection of 250, kinda want to split it just I’m only injecting a smaller amount of test at once, really torn, guess I better get something figured out by Friday if I’m gonna continue, but them sides really made me head shy
 

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To get blood done in sask here you have to be appointed by a doctor and can’t get private blood work done, it sucks,
I’m actually considering doing two pins a week right now at 125mg of test in each pin, I haven’t injected since last Friday , I’m so torn wether to just throw the towel in and call it good, I definitely could have crashed my estrogen , but I had only had 2 doses of .5 arimidex, guess it’s just a matter of finding a sweet dose amount, just really nervous now about doing a single injection of 250, kinda want to split it just I’m only injecting a smaller amount of test at once, really torn, guess I better get something figured out by Friday if I’m gonna continue, but them sides really made me head shy
I would personally decide on a dose and then stick to it, 300-400mg a week for test only sounds abut right tbh. The issue imho is dialing in e2, i could never get that right.
And neither will you if you keep yo-yoinf your test and ai dose.

Problem with test is that it has another component, estrogen, which changes as dose is changed. Its not as simple as with for example tren acetate or another fast acting non aromatizeable aas, which is a single factor in itself, and by changing it you are changing a single variable.

Also libido was down in the dumps on 500 test, a lot of people say it should be the other way around, but i guess everyone reacts differently.

You say you feel tired...that sounds more like low e2 to me than high.
Are you flatter than you used to be? Do you feel like your joints have seen bettter days, especially while performing pressing exercises? That is also the sign of low e2.

Higher e2 is now kinda an easy one for me, i feel emotional and mentally weaker, but not tired, and any dose of test above 200mg a week without an ai will make me feel like that, unless another non aromatizing aas like tren or masteron is added, then i feel fine.

250 test by itself and i will be watching chick flicks in no time 😁.
 
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I would personally decide on a dose and then stick to it, 300-400mg a week for test only sounds abut right tbh. The issue imho is dialing in e2, i could never get that right.
And neither will you if you keep yo-yoinf your test and ai dose.

Problem with test is that it has another component, estrogen, which changes as dose is changed. Its not as simple as with for example tren acetate or another fast acting non aromatizeable aas, which is a single factor in itself, and by changing it you are changing a single variable.

Also libido was down in the dumps on 500 test, a lot of people say it should be the other way around, but i guess everyone reacts differently.

You say you feel tired...that sounds more like low e2 to me than high.
Are you flatter than you used to be? Do you feel like your joints have seen bettter days, especially while performing pressing exercises? That is also the sign of low e2.

Higher e2 is now kinda an easy one for me, i feel emotional and mentally weaker, but not tired, and any dose of test above 200mg a week without an ai will make me feel like that, unless another non aromatizing aas like tren or masteron is added, then i feel fine.

250 test by itself and i will be watching chick flicks in no time .
I think your absolutely correct on everything, and thinking I may be a lot like your self and prone to sides, with out blood done I’ll never be able to dial my e2 in properly and trial and error just is not working for me, so I think I’ll just start my pct and shorten it up and finish it off with some otc test booster, I’ll maybe start some research now into sarms and maybe take a shot at that, im really great full for your experience and advice, thanks bro
 

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I think your absolutely correct on everything, and thinking I may be a lot like your self and prone to sides, with out blood done I’ll never be able to dial my e2 in properly and trial and error just is not working for me, so I think I’ll just start my pct and shorten it up and finish it off with some otc test booster, I’ll maybe start some research now into sarms and maybe take a shot at that, im really great full for your experience and advice, thanks bro
Hahaha sorry to burst your bubble but i dont think sarms are a good idea,




I dont know how far in you are, but certainly if you feel like this isnt working for you, best to drop it and come off.
 
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Hahaha sorry to burst your bubble but i dont think sarms are a good idea,




I dont know how far in you are, but certainly if you feel like this isnt working for you, best to drop it and come off.
Hahaha I haven’t researched if swarms are no good, I can only make one bad decision at a time lol, thanks man
 

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