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Anybody hereryn six weeks of Super DMZ?

For christs sake this is ridiculous. Dont listen to this nonsense. Clomid wont do **** for natty test when your shut down for Christs sake. Te only thing that would is HCG.
This may be the stupidest advice I have ever seen given here and I cannot believe it is seriously being considered. Actually I can, it isn't the fault of those reading and researching. It is the fault of the irresponsible individual for giving such bad , incorrect advice. I implore you all NOT to listen to such nonsense.
 
StanleyG said:
For christs sake this is ridiculous. Dont listen to this nonsense. Clomid wont do **** for natty test when your shut down for Christs sake. Te only thing that would is HCG.
This may be the stupidest advice I have ever seen given here and I cannot believe it is seriously being considered. Actually I can, it isn't the fault of those reading and researching. It is the fault of the irresponsible individual for giving such bad , incorrect advice. I implore you all NOT to listen to such nonsense.
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I tried it just to try it honestly didn't notice . Much . However the hcg got my balls rollin fast .
 
StanleyG said:
For christs sake this is ridiculous. Dont listen to this nonsense. Clomid wont do **** for natty test when your shut down for Christs sake. Te only thing that would is HCG.
This may be the stupidest advice I have ever seen given here and I cannot believe it is seriously being considered. Actually I can, it isn't the fault of those reading and researching. It is the fault of the irresponsible individual for giving such bad , incorrect advice. I implore you all NOT to listen to such nonsense.
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Clomid has restored my HPTA perfectly. Its so many users go to pct. To doubt clomids ability is about the stupidest thing i have ever heard. Its the only thing i have ever used for pct. Pleae enlighten me, if it doesn't work, why its clinically proven for off label use as a low testerone abd infertility treatment. You DO realize that you need natty test to produce offspring, right?
 
muscleless said:
Clomid has restored my HPTA perfectly. Its so many users go to pct. To doubt clomids ability is about the stupidest thing i have ever heard. Its the only thing i have ever used for pct. Pleae enlighten me, if it doesn't work, why its clinically proven for off label use as a low testerone abd infertility treatment. You DO realize that you need natty test to produce offspring, right?
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There is a huge difference between using it when on pct and using it when on cycle. The more you talk the deeper the whole you dig as the more apparent your lack of understanding becomes. When you are on cycle and shut down clomid will do absolutely nothing for your test production....at all. To suggest it will simply shows an extremely high level of ignorance. If your contention is support the statement that it will induce T production when taken while on cycle you need to type less and read more.
 
Yes, the testosterone would be working counter productive to the clomid. However, these are orals, not injections. Injected test says in your body a lot longer than orals. Oral prohormones to testosterone dont last long at all. Testosterone itself has an incredibly short half life. With the orals, hypothetically you have periods of the day where the levels fluctuate and your body doesnt detect test at all. Clomid works pretty damn fast, it can raise natural production by like 300ng/dl in like three days (obviously you need to keep running it to keep it that way). If you used clomid low dose daily as far between doses as possible, i dont understand why it wouldnt help. Shutdown doesbt happen overnight, if you can keep your levels within normal range then its worth a shot. Doing this on cycle with orals, i say, is worth it and would probably help keep the HPTA on track. Injection not so much. This is just a theory.
 
Your theory is inaccurate and if you arent sure of a theory you have you should post it as a theory & put it out for discussion. The last thing you should do is post it as a fact and mislead a bunch of people into thinking they can take clomid alongside their steroids (oral or not btw) and maintain their T levels or even impact them at all. The fact is it cannot and will not.
 
Okay i would love for you to prove that, as theres absolutely no studies done. I never once said it would or would not work, and never told anyone to do it. I didnt post it as fact, i simply stated, as did others, that people have tried it before and it worked for them. You have absolutely no science or even educated guesses to back up your claim, so crawl back into your hole. This was simple discussion that turned into that, not the original topic. You are one of the exact asshat elitists i mentioned in previous posts. As long as you have fsh and lh, and your not desensitized from HcG, your body will keep cranking out its own testosterone along side what youre adding. In theory and probably in practicality, this would work to some degree. Btw, don't you flame pretty much every thing you comment on?
 
muscleless said:
Okay i would love for you to prove that, as theres absolutely no studies done. I never once said it would or would not work, and never told anyone to do it. I didnt post it as fact, i simply stated, as did others, that people have tried it before and it worked for them. You have absolutely no science or even educated guesses to back up your claim, so crawl back into your hole. This was simple discussion that turned into that, not the original topic. You are one of the exact asshat elitists i mentioned in previous posts. As long as you have fsh and lh, and your not desensitized from HcG, your body will keep cranking out its own testosterone along side what youre adding. In theory and probably in practicality, this would work to some degree. Btw, don't you flame pretty much every thing you comment on?
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Sadly I mostly set the ignorant such as yourself straight. When you learn some basic physiology re: the HPTA system & the Pharmacological MOA of the compounds in question then perhaps you can get back to me. In the mean time keep your irresponsible and incorrect theories to yourself before you hurt someone.

Oh an interesting aside. What brought me to this thread were 2 pm's I received by 2 different members that were highly confused by your "theory". You see they were sure (correctly so btw) that when taking aas that clomid would have no effect on endogenous T levels at all and they asked me to read the thread and offer my input as they were concerned some misinformation was being passed along. They were correct.
 
Like i said, never told or advised anyone to do it. I'll take your lack of actual facts to prove this to me as a measure of your actual knowledge, which is poor.
 
muscleless said:
Like i said, never told or advised anyone to do it. I'll take your lack of actual facts to prove this to me as a measure of your actual knowledge, which is poor.
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Well people can choose for themselves whom they would like to listen too. Oh and btw since I am not the one proposing assenine theories here I feel no need to support my position what so ever. That is the job or responsibility of the individual doing so. Then again as of yet you have shown zero responsibility by passing along total nonsense so why should you start now. Also I do not feel the need to disprove something as basic as this.
Clomid (nor any other serm) will impact endogenous T production when shut down from aas, oral or injecctable or rectally administered for that matter. It is a ridiculous contention that needs to be squashed before it grows legs and some newb actually believes your gratuitous nonsense and potentially harms themselves.
 
Also, Stanford... mind if i call you that? Or would you prefer Harvard?... clomid is mainly removed through the kidneys and not the liver, the stress on kidneys is negligible compared to the liver stress from methyls, especially at low dose, its not like people aren't already popping quad stacked methyls already and, and youre bitching to me about low dose clomid on cycle as an experiment? Go flame the people taking sasquatch dna or mammoth dna, then get back to me.
 
Honestly you dont have any data to show for this. You dont feel the need to disprove something like this, but you do feel the need to tell me that it can be disproved? You make no sense. Back up your reasoning or gtfo.
 
muscleless said:
Also, Stanford... mind if i call you that? Or would you prefer Harvard?... clomid is mainly removed through the kidneys and not the liver, the stress on kidneys is negligible compared to the liver stress from methyls, especially at low dose, its not like people aren't already popping quad stacked methyls already and, and youre bitching to me about low dose clomid on cycle as an experiment? Go flame the people taking sasquatch dna or mammoth dna, then get back to me.
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What is this nonsense deflection? I have not nor did I see any reason to mention the bodies method of metabolization of clomid. It has no bearing on my contention what so ever. It is a nice attempt at deflection but has no bearing what so ever on my position, nor did I ever say it did but hey you can keep trying to establish the smallest shred of credibility. You probably will not succeed but who can blame you for trying?
 
You said that it was gonna get someone hurt, please enlighten ne as to how this would impact anyone negatively other than wasted money? Yet we are on a forun that advises people to take toxic hormones every day.
 
This is hypocritical on my part, but by the looks of it you never give any data to back up your claims other than "you're wrong". Love to see some actual explanations here. Third party opinion would be nice.
 
Ok here we go. Ill break it down like it is for a 2 year old.
OK there is actually an explanation that allows for even longer time required to elapse for clomid to exert its effects but lets just use a common sense approach here.
Active Life for DMZ 16hrs. When would you ever go more than 16hrs between doses of DMZ to allow clomid to begin to work on inducing the endogenous production of Testosterone? Answer: You wouldnt , and again it would take longer than 16 hours for that effect to occur anyway. Now just stop the nonsense.

muscleless said:
You said that it was gonna get someone hurt, please enlighten ne as to how this would impact anyone negatively other than wasted money? Yet we are on a forun that advises people to take toxic hormones every day.
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Oh and someone could hurt themselves because if they believe you if they take clomid their T levels would remain normal their entire cycle so they might just assume hey I was never shut down why should I do a PCT/ So yes Id say that could prove harmful.
Now please just stop spreading your ignorance.

muscleless said:
This is hypocritical on my part, but by the looks of it you never give any data to back up your claims other than "you're wrong". Love to see some actual explanations here. Third party opinion would be nice.
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Now that you have an explanation will you agree to stop posting garbage advice or "theories" ?
 
Clomid wont prevent testosterone suppression on cycle, and i never implied it would. Clomid on cycle will keep FsH and LH in production, and will help you not to totally shutdown on cycle, and once the cycle is over and proper pct is performed, you will bounce back faster and better, that is what i implied. There is nothing as of yet that would discredit this other than opinion.
 
muscleless said:
Clomid wont prevent testosterone suppression on cycle, and i never implied it would. Clomid on cycle will keep FsH and LH in production, and will help you not to totally shutdown on cycle, and once the cycle is over and proper pct is performed, you will bounce back faster and better, that is what i implied. There is nothing as of yet that would discredit this other than opinion.
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Hogwash man. Clomid will not do anything for LH and FSH when you are taking steroids and shut down. If that were the case, since clomid works via negative feedback, an ai would do the same thing if you lowered e2 enough on cycle and it doesnt. You are off base here bro.
 
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