any of these give you gh gut? if yes is it permanent?
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Shasow
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This. So if you run things smartly you'll be fine.
DangerDave
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GH gut is caused by visceral fat storage around your organs due to insulin insensitivity. In short.. You use a ton of gh over time, your body can't secrete insulin to store it right so the calories are stored as visceral fat. The "intestine growth" is myth, yes you can grow your intestines because there are more IGF-1 receptors and gh/Slin causes increase IGF levels. BUT you see guys who used this combo in the day and had "gh gut" but after they retire their guy went away. Why? Did their intestines ungrown? No their body dropped visceral fat because calories were decreased. I'm lazy and don't want to find the articles I read about this but that is the quick summary.
Crusher
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It also is very important to consider how it is being administered to the the body and at what times.. There is a huge difference in the effect it has on intestinal growth, and over all body growth if the injections are made subcutaneous, or intra muscular. The timing is another factor that plays into this as well, regarding when during a day it's administered, I would suggest doing some research on the topic there is some great articles backed by science... Those are the only ones I believe in - but even then, have to still take it with a grain of salt as the sources on the topic are kinda varied
DangerDave
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I find it hard to believe in the whole "intestine growth" it's hard to find any real studies proving it, just lots of "gurus" and theory. Yes the intestines have the most receptors constantly active but the increase of lactic acid and change in ATP levels in muscle groups stimulate IGF-1 receptor activity. IGF-1 will bind to the most active receptors which EVERYTHING in your body has receptors. So in order for intestines to grow there would need to be a tremendous amount of IGF-1 present and quite a bit of inactivity in all your muscles and other organ receptors. We are talking doses of 20iu plus where constant IGF-1 levels are in the 700+ range WITHOUT slin.
Further at those doses you need to use slin because that type of growth use will brunch natural secretion resulting in massive visceral fat storage. Look when growth hit the scene in late 80s early 90s. Guys saw crazy results, which led to abuse and the bloated gut look. They dialed back use of gh/slin and their guts shrunk. The intestine can't ungrow but visceral fat can be reduced. There are plenty of scientific studies showing long term GH use will cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity resulting in visceral fat storage and stress on organs. But due to the high igf-1 levels and fat burning effects of GH subcontaneous fat stays low. It's the first fat used for fuel. If you can find true studies proving GH gut resulting from intestine growth please do share. I'm not trying to argue just state what I know and read. I have done quite s bit of research being one of the guys who runs 10iu GH and slin in my off season. I have yet to see GH gut even with igf-1 levels in the 600+ range. BUT I noticed a tendency for natural insulin secretion to suffer hence the use of thyroid medicines like t3/t4 and cycling my doses and limiting use to short bursts.
Crusher
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Great reply DangerDave, very insightful
DangerDave
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Thanks man. I try to inform and learn. This is the game we play using grey and black market products. Too much "I heard" "he said" and bro science. All we can do is study the actual facts, use deductive reasoning, apply what we know and relay our results.
I see a great need to eliminate theory out of so much of the gear use. Theory is dangerous when it come to playing with your bodies hormones. In theory lots of stuff sounds good... Like communism, on paper it sounds great and a perfect world... Until you add one thing. The human factor. People are corrupt and a socialist society will always fail. Everyone's body reacts differently so one guys theory can be based on his body alone. How do you know his GH protocol won't thrash the next guys pituitary for life? We don't unless we use medical studies with control groups and actual fact. Then we weigh the cost to risk ratio and experiment on ourselves to see what works. I didn't start out blasting 10ius of GH and 20ius of slin for 30 days at a time. I worked my way up from very small doses and got my blood work done, experimented with diet etc. in the end (over a year later) I found MY magic formula for my body. (Don't ask me my protocol I will not share, because it's for my body alone. It could kill the next guy).
If you have questions or find research please share I always want to learn. I find out new things all the time that disprove or support what I know already. This is a constant game of learning and if only some people knew "big dumb meathead" knows more than most endocrine med students they might think differently of us hahaha.