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Any love for somatomax???

GQdaLEGEND said:
it might be whatever is left of it in stock .. BL/DPS is getting rid of it .. unless theres a V2 without it .. but yeah same time FDA cracked down on DMHA was the same time phenibut was given warning to be taken off.

if its still being produced .. then the co isn't following cGMP guidelines and prolly mixing it in basement lol

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you didn't even look at the product-did you?
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i believe you! but ever since I haven't needed one.. it kinda permanently changed my sleep cycle..
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i don't use it for sleep...i take it when i plan on doing a LONG run of at least 1.5 hours...the feel good effect of a long run combined with the ingredients in somatomax is awesome---incredible how much better pink floyd sounds, lol. :love:
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
it might be whatever is left of it in stock .. BL/DPS is getting rid of it .. unless theres a V2 without it .. but yeah same time FDA cracked down on DMHA was the same time phenibut was given warning to be taken off.

if its still being produced .. then the co isn't following cGMP guidelines and prolly mixing it in basement lol

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i bet the basement industry is booming with AAS and SARMS :unsure:......but i hardly think that somatomax is being made in a basement

but thanks for the headsup, i'm going to stock up on somatomax while i can--and then i guess i will get phenibut from ND.

oh yeah, dmha isn't really hard to find either.
 
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thebigt said:
taken phenibut away????

i just bought a tub of somatomax at DPS....!!!!:oops::unsure:
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He posted in his link about the warning letters being sent on Phenibut. Most of those warning letters went to companies that I've never heard of and that were marketing their products in ways that they shouldn't have been - taking it in place of medications &/or to get high from it.

However, due to that, many other companies did stop making Phenibut and most GMP contract manufacturers stopped running products with Phenibut in there.

GQdaLEGEND said:
it might be whatever is left of it in stock .. BL/DPS is getting rid of it .. unless theres a V2 without it .. but yeah same time FDA cracked down on DMHA was the same time phenibut was given warning to be taken off.

if its still being produced .. then the co isn't following cGMP guidelines and prolly mixing it in basement lol

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There are definitely some shady products out there right now with Phenibut in them so I would absolutely caution people to be careful with what they buy.

But Somatomax is made by Hi-Tech so its definitely not being made in a basement. It's one of the rare exceptions that is still being made in a GMP facility - but we all know the Hi-Tech stance on things that they have the money and willingness to fight the FDA over things that other companies cannot.

thebigt said:
i bet the basement industry is booming with AAS and SARMS :unsure:......but i hardly think that somatomax is being made in a basement

but thanks for the headsup, i'm going to stock up on somatomax while i can--and then i guess i will get phenibut from ND.

oh yeah, dmha isn't really hard to find either.
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There have been quite a few companies that have ran into legal issues with DMHA.

This ingredient is also one that is unique in that Hi-Tech and the companies it owns tend to offer it and have the above discussed willingness to fight it out with the FDA over it.

But I would not make the assumption that any non Hi-Tech owned company that claims to have DMHA is legitimate either.
 
sns8778 said:
He posted in his link about the warning letters being sent on Phenibut. Most of those warning letters went to companies that I've never heard of and that were marketing their products in ways that they shouldn't have been - taking it in place of medications &/or to get high from it.

However, due to that, many other companies did stop making Phenibut and most GMP contract manufacturers stopped running products with Phenibut in there.



There are definitely some shady products out there right now with Phenibut in them so I would absolutely caution people to be careful with what they buy.

But Somatomax is made by Hi-Tech so its definitely not being made in a basement. It's one of the rare exceptions that is still being made in a GMP facility - but we all know the Hi-Tech stance on things that they have the money and willingness to fight the FDA over things that other companies cannot.



There have been quite a few companies that have ran into legal issues with DMHA.

This ingredient is also one that is unique in that Hi-Tech and the companies it owns tend to offer it and have the above discussed willingness to fight it out with the FDA over it.

But I would not make the assumption that any non Hi-Tech owned company that claims to have DMHA is legitimate either.
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i don't even know why he felt the need to get involved?
for me i am a phenibut fan, as you probably know--and i was just pointing others that might be fans of phenibut in the direction of a phenibut product i found to be of good quality.

i don't have any skin in the game as far as somatomax other than my recommendation of a product that is of good quality, the same as i do for many other products including SNS products...if you read my earlier post i said that somatomax went well with focus xt as a nootropic-feel good combo.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
you quoted me

take some focus supplement and re read the thread
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i see you are still following along-eh :p

and btw-i am using focus xt, which you would have known if you had bothered to read MY post--which was 1st since 2017 :unsure:
 
now i know i will be stocking up on somatomax...i bet it won't be available at dps much longer.😟
 
thebigt said:
now i know i will be stocking up on somatomax...i bet it won't be available at dps much longer.😟
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I don't think that Hi-Tech has any intention of discontinuing or changing Somatomax. The letters the FDA sent out on Phenibut were quite some time ago; not recent. So if they didn't make any changes then, I don't think they would now.
 
sns8778 said:
I don't think that Hi-Tech has any intention of discontinuing or changing Somatomax. The letters the FDA sent out on Phenibut were quite some time ago; not recent. So if they didn't make any changes then, I don't think they would now.
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lets hope...there are also a few nootropics places still selling phenibut, but for the price including the other ingredients somatomax is hard to beat---and like i said somatomax or even solo phenibut pairs terrific with focus xt.
 
thebigt said:
got up early this morning and drank a scoop of somatomax mixed in 8oz water...waited around 30 minutes then drank a scoop of focus xt in 8oz water, 30 minutes later did around 35 minutes of lifting then took 200mg caffeine pill and got ready to go for a run...i put disc 2 of pink floyd pulse in cd player and by this time the somatomax effect was hitting nicely....what a great morning!!!
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neglected to give the reason for staggering somatomax and focus xt...

for me it takes between 1.5 and 2 hours for the feel good effects of somatomax to fully kick in--focus xt i can feel in about 30 minutes.

the combination of somatomax and focus xt along with the natural high i get during long runs is amazing--now that i am retired and have the time 2+ hour runs are going to become more often.
 
thebigt said:
i bet the basement industry is booming with AAS and SARMS :unsure:......but i hardly think that somatomax is being made in a basement

but thanks for the headsup, i'm going to stock up on somatomax while i can--and then i guess i will get phenibut from ND.

oh yeah, dmha isn't really hard to find either.
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Definatley not. Tons with it in it. You can even find a few with dmaa from time to time. Orderd dark labs crack a few weeks ago.
 
Jstrong20 said:
Definatley not. Tons with it in it. You can even find a few with dmaa from time to time. Orderd dark labs crack a few weeks ago.
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and if dps ever quits selling somatomax nootopic depot has great quality phenibut at very nice price.
 
I would love to do a product that is the closest one could come to something like Somatomax if anyone was interested but it would be impossible to make it be like Somatomax bc Somatomax does have Phenibut in it.
 
sns8778 said:
I would love to do a product that is the closest one could come to something like Somatomax if anyone was interested but it would be impossible to make it be like Somatomax bc Somatomax does have Phenibut in it.
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i for one would welcome this since somatomax and phenibut in particular give me insomnia if taken later in the day...

ambien has same effect on me--my doctor says i am in a very small percentage of the population[2-5%] who get this reaction.

so a somatomax 'type' supplement aimed at sleep minus the phenibut sounds like a winner!!!
 
thebigt said:
i for one would welcome this since somatomax and phenibut in particular give me insomnia if taken later in the day...

ambien has same effect on me--my doctor says i am in a very small percentage of the population[2-5%] who get this reaction.

so a somatomax 'type' supplement aimed at sleep minus the phenibut sounds like a winner!!!
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I would love to do something like that. I'd be curious to know what ingredients people would like to see it in it though bc Somatomax is pretty much based around Phenibut.
 
sns8778 said:
I would love to do something like that. I'd be curious to know what ingredients people would like to see it in it though bc Somatomax is pretty much based around Phenibut.
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i have to be honest, steve...that would certainly be going down the rabbit hole--no matter what ingredients you decide on there will be those who are going to complain...maybe just do several well dosed individual ingredients?

sleep products seem to be much more individual than other type products where a one size fits most approach seems to work.
 
thebigt said:
i have to be honest, steve...that would certainly be going down the rabbit hole--no matter what ingredients you decide on there will be those who are going to complain...maybe just do several well dosed individual ingredients?

sleep products seem to be much more individual than other type products where a one size fits most approach seems to work.
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Most of the sleep ingredients on the market already have single ingredients available and are more commodity things.

We already have Sleep Assist XT and Sleep Shot XT in the works under SNS. I was thinking something different - more of an anabolic type sleep product.
 
sns8778 said:
Most of the sleep ingredients on the market already have single ingredients available and are more commodity things.

We already have Sleep Assist XT and Sleep Shot XT in the works under SNS. I was thinking something different - more of an anabolic type sleep product.
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really curious to see what you come up with!!!
 
sns8778 said:
Most of the sleep ingredients on the market already have single ingredients available and are more commodity things.

We already have Sleep Assist XT and Sleep Shot XT in the works under SNS. I was thinking something different - more of an anabolic type sleep product.
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Would this replace Growth Factor XT?
 
thebigt said:
i am on email list for growth factor xt at dps...it's been oos for quite awhile!!!
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Its just a raw material thing unfortunately. We will have it back in stock as soon as we can. I love the product too; I wish I had some left even for myself haha
 
sns8778 said:
Its just a raw material thing unfortunately. We will have it back in stock as soon as we can. I love the product too; I wish I had some left even for myself haha
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that dps price is awesome...great value for well dosed ingredients.
 
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