Any Fat Burner better then ECA stack?

ECA has the most desired results for most, however it is difficult to get the E in some areas
 
Yohimbine doesn't do it for me, but I know people who've used it with good results.

I think that in terms of fat loss, E/C is the best. However, I am currently testing out a bottle of Adrenalean from Designer Supplements, and it is the closest I have found. Interestingly, it suppresses my appetite even MORE than E/C. It's among the least expensive as well.
 
Meltdown by VPX. Nuff said. Others who've used it will concur. You feel great while on it, it increases pleasure slightly (which is an effect of the appetite control blend), and it works better over time (after 4 weeks).

E/C works at first because of the decreased appetite and therefore decreased food intake. It also works at first because of the cracked out cardio that many users experience. E/C's long term fat-burning occurs on a mitochondrial level by inducing cAMP through NE release... but people who stop feeling the 'BOOM! Wow this is legal??!" feeling, usually stop the E/C because they think it's stopped working.
 
I am also a fan Levi Relaoded. I did 2 bottles back to back and had solid results
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
true..but I was just curious as to strictly its fat burning capabilities for those robust individuals who can take with little worries.
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try adding a cap or 2 of psarm to your eca stack. it must have a healthy dose of yohimbine in it cause i have more energy when on it. eca/powerful/psarm is very good for pre cardio.
 
I was going to get P-Sarm, then didn't because of stomach issues... but maybe I'll get some while I still see a BOGO and run it later.
 
so whats the best fat burner overall? and what is the ECA stack? i've heard taking ephedra in smaller amounts than have been used in the past are unlikely to harm and if thats true which is the best ephedra product to use?
 
Go to lipex2 and check that out...Sounds like the best one for the money...the main ingredients are yohimbe caffeine forshholin and synephrine....It has 2-3 times the amounts of these per cap as any other
product on the market...This is as close as your going to get to the old eca stack.
 
yes. i am using one right now and i think its def better than an ECA stack. with an ECA stack my blood pressure skyrocketed and i got nose bleeds and trouble sleeping. i bought a fat burner from a supplement store near me and they only sell it their because it is their private line. i can hook u up with it if u want. PM if u feel the need.
 
i tried yohimbe and right now im using L-carnitine, hey big do you know the ingredients in the supp? whats pming? i dont use am.com all the time im still getting used to it
 
shanet said:
i tried yohimbe and right now im using L-carnitine, hey big do you know the ingredients in the supp? whats pming? i dont use am.com all the time im still getting used to it
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that means send me a private message and we can talk about it.
 
bigpapa said:
yes. i am using one right now and i think its def better than an ECA stack. with an ECA stack my blood pressure skyrocketed and i got nose bleeds and trouble sleeping. i bought a fat burner from a supplement store near me and they only sell it their because it is their private line. i can hook u up with it if u want. PM if u feel the need.
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The idea is not to crush the tabs and snort them :P
 
Carnitine is good but it has failed in the studies to reduce fat over the control groups all on its own...it does however have anabolic and other properties such as mental acuity and sperm motility. It is however required to transport fat across the cell wall so I do still recommend it. It is actually not an amino acid but infact a "b" vitamin...it is a form of B1 if I am not mistaken...
 
Okay I'll admit, the lipex 2 profile looks interesting. It would probably do well. Papa the product you linked looks good too, although I'm not as firmiliar with the ingredients.
 
Force of Green said:
I was going to get P-Sarm, then didn't because of stomach issues... but maybe I'll get some while I still see a BOGO and run it later.
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try dosing 1 at a time to start out. very good deal for bogo. the yohimbine is high quality.
 
i had a friend who used clen to help drop fat and he got some sick results from it. what is usnic acid?
 
shanet said:
i had a friend who used clen to help drop fat and he got some sick results from it. what is usnic acid?
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why don't you just google it, see for yourself how dangerous it can be. amazing the fda banned ephedra and this stuff is available.
 
Force of Green said:
Meltdown by VPX. Nuff said. Others who've used it will concur. You feel great while on it, it increases pleasure slightly (which is an effect of the appetite control blend), and it works better over time (after 4 weeks).

E/C works at first because of the decreased appetite and therefore decreased food intake. It also works at first because of the cracked out cardio that many users experience. E/C's long term fat-burning occurs on a mitochondrial level by inducing cAMP through NE release... but people who stop feeling the 'BOOM! Wow this is legal??!" feeling, usually stop the E/C because they think it's stopped working.
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Meltdown is that good eh? It was actually what i was going to buy before Recreate was released, maybe i'll try it sometime.
 
CHAPS said:
Meltdown is that good eh? It was actually what i was going to buy before Recreate was released, maybe i'll try it sometime.
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I personally think it's the BEST fat-burner/nootropic available. It is smooth and lasting 'upbeat' energy and it doesn't effect sleep cycles or anything of that nature. You feel good on it, your appetite is modulated (under control, but not anorexic), and coming off of it is fine with Reset AD, even if you used Meltdown for a while I'm sure.
 
FOG is spot on here,
Meltdown is a very smooth stim-supp, The first time I tried it I read the serving size wrong and popped 3 caps my first time at like 2pm, and in an hour I had this relaxing "high" feeling all in my head, it was really cool, and just felt like laughing at everything. It still did not mess with my sleep though and it was not a hard crash and burn when it wore off.
I'm sticking at 2 caps in the morning and either 1 or 2 in the afternoon depending on how much I gotta do that night, and it's just enough. The elevated mood reports you may read about are VERY true! I am enjoying this much more than any ECA, venom, stimx, ECY, and all the others.
It felt really cool also stacked with usnic acid with a 100 degree fever at bedtime :head: That stuff is amazing.

And the label for Meltdown, all methyl baby, it IS 2008 :thumbsup:
 
I've tried Meltdown and agree it makes you feel great, but i the results dept. the ECA stack is far more effective.
For me it was at least...
 
mdgrwl said:
I've tried Meltdown and agree it makes you feel great, but i the results dept. the ECA stack is far more effective.
For me it was at least...
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In the results department, it may be a bit more effective, but ya gotta watch insulin levels on meltdown because of the Yohimbine. Yohimbine can be blunted by high insulin levels while ECA it won't matter. But ECA raises cortisol, makes me a viscious person, angry, and coming off of it makes my nose worse than a cold would do. I vote for the more enjoyable experience.
 
Usnic acid is the main ingredient Dave Palumbo's brand fat burner - Species Lipolyze. I honestly couldn't believe it when I read that. Even topical use is iffy in my opinion, but ingested? Damn that's dangerous.

Tried Meltdown for 3 weeks, didn't get much in appetite suppression or euphoria after the third day. Still have a bottle I might still use it to compliment some morning cardio sessions and use an ephedra based burner later in the day for the anorectic effects.
 
I am/was a big fan of the original ALRI tri-lean system...
Venom, Hyperdive and Lean Dreams...Why was venom discontinued?
 
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