Any experience with Thalacy Phoshatidic Acid 70%?

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They only sell this product at amazon but I don't see any information about this company, looks like it is from the UK.

Liposomal delivery, 70%...

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DaveMcNaul said:
They only sell this product at amazon but I don't see any information about this company, looks like it is from the UK.

Liposomal delivery, 70%...

Thanks
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have not tried .. me personally would only use mediator
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Yeah I like mediator. I know SNS is coming but for now I just use redcon1 when I want to hop on it.
 
Not sure the value of a "liposomal" version of PA.

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So I am VERY suspicious of the value of taking a PHOSPHATIDE such as PA and using other phospholipids to enhance delivery. To my, granted limited, knowledge this sounds completely redundant.


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So one bottle last 12 days but they do sell the 2-pack so no big deal. 1400mg/day of PA is pretty cool if legit. Personally I would ditch the HMB as 1000mg/day is almost useless and the leucine is underdosed as well so they should ditch that. Get rid of all the other "window dressing" and simply include 30 days worth.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Not sure the value of a "liposomal" version of PA.

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So I am VERY suspicious of the value of taking a PHOSPHATIDE such as PA and using other phospholipids to enhance delivery. To my, granted limited, knowledge this sounds completely redundant.


View attachment 223109 So one bottle last 12 days but they do sell the 2-pack so no big deal. 1400mg/day of PA is pretty cool if legit. Personally I would ditch the HMB as 1000mg/day is almost useless and the leucine is underdosed as well so they should ditch that. Get rid of all the other "window dressing" and simply include 30 days worth.
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For this reason I'm not sure about what % of PA has this product.

The distributor is thalacy, 6102 port tampa drive #6009 , there is not information about this company, nothing.
 
DaveMcNaul said:
For this reason I'm not sure about what % of PA has this product.

The distributor is thalacy, 6102 port tampa drive #6009 , there is not information about this company, nothing.
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Company name rhymes with fallacy.........................................lol. Only sold on amazon is a red flag for me personally.
 
DaveMcNaul said:
They only sell this product at amazon but I don't see any information about this company, looks like it is from the UK.

Liposomal delivery, 70%...

Thanks
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I've been taking this for about a month. It's difficult to pinpoint its efficacy. I did begin to notice body composition changes while taking NutraBio's Mediator PA product and the trend seems to hold with the Thalacy product. But, it doesn't seem as clean as the Mediator. Little pimples here and there since switching to it and while taking Mediator, I could up my calories and appear leaner, now I'm appearing to bulk everywhere a little more. Again, hard to quantify as the changes are subtle and possibly not attributable to the PA.

I'll be out of the Thalacy version at the end of the month, so hopefully SNS will have their product out by then. In general though, I think PA has been a nice addition and I will continue its use in some form.
 
DaveMcNaul said:
For this reason I'm not sure about what % of PA has this product.

The distributor is thalacy, 6102 port tampa drive #6009 , there is not information about this company, nothing.
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That probably means some Joe smo is having supplements made and selling them out a little business space or his house, dosent have a warehouse or anything.

It's like if I had a company make me a bunch of stuff and I sold it from my house.

You see address like that often with "supplement companies" that no1 ever heard of. And with drug dealers lol 😆

But weather that assumption is correct or not, I would never buy a supplement if I knew nothing about the companies reputation. It's a total gamble
 
Did any of you guys use to get the little free magazines in the mail called anabolic almanac or something like that, they changed names a few times. They sold a bunch of super expensive supplements that had steroid names and the tried to lay out cycles with them.

They came from a address like this

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I remember being like 21 and calling the number to place a order and last minute I changed my mind, they had someone call me back like 4x a week for months till I finally changed my number lol
 
DaveMcNaul said:
That's what I was thinking.
A friend of mine was tanking it and he liked it so I've got 2 bottles for $29.

I hope Steve could release PA ASAP!!
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Same. Also dont know why it says 5 pills dosage as the studies showed ~450 prior to workout and ~300 post would be best. So at 280mg PA per pill, 2 before/1 after workout should suffice. Then each bottle lasts for 20 days and since they sell 2 packs that 40d for $29.

Im rolling with that dosage for my winter bulk.
 
Falco1098 said:
Same. Also dont know why it says 5 pills dosage as the studies showed ~450 prior to workout and ~300 post would be best. So at 280mg PA per pill, 2 before/1 after workout should suffice. Then each bottle lasts for 20 days and since they sell 2 packs that 40d for $29.

Im rolling with that dosage for my winter bulk.
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The thing is we don't know if this is PA 70%.
My friend is taking the second bottle, 5 pills pre-workout.

I think is better like you said, 2 and 1.


The other cheap PA , Shoden included and looks like Shoden Ashwagandha inhibits mTor, bad.
$15 each bottle for 30 caps of 750 PA 50% Mediator.

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DaveMcNaul said:
The thing is we don't know if this is PA 70%.
My friend is taking the second bottle, 5 pills pre-workout.

I think is better like you said, 2 and 1.


The other cheap PA , Shoden included and looks like Shoden Ashwagandha inhibits mTor, bad.
$15 each bottle for 30 caps of 750 PA 50% Mediator.

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Im just gonna stick with the Thalacy for now. I have it so even if underdosed i am running at with X Gels, Epicatechin and gear so wont be able to specifically report.
 
There’s a few potential issues with this stuff. The first thing that worries me is that no one can seem to find any info about a supposedly trademarked ingredient. If “MusclePeak” was a legit branded ingredient, you’d think there would be some marketing material at least.

Also, if some random company can make a 70% PA extract, why didn’t a much bigger, well known company do that with Mediator? If real legit stuff is only 50%, how did they get so much higher and still charge a relatively low price?

If you add up all the ingredients, you have a minimum of 5 grams in each serving. We don’t know the standardization for the phosphatidylcholine, so that could be a lot more. But even still, it’s got to be at least 1 gram of ingredients per capsule. Which is a lot. Not impossible, but those would have to be huge.

I just don’t know. It may be alright, but seems like a lot of red flags.
 
DaveMcNaul said:
That's what I was thinking.
A friend of mine was tanking it and he liked it so I've got 2 bottles for $29.

I hope Steve could release PA ASAP!!
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Way to cheap to be a real PA product

I doubt if anyone would ever test what’s in it, if a person felt something
 
DaveMcNaul said:
They only sell this product at amazon but I don't see any information about this company, looks like it is from the UK.

Liposomal delivery, 70%...

Thanks
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I wrote out a long detailed post about this product in a different thread but I can't find it in search.

Basically, I wouldn't trust it for the reasons that others have said in the thread but also because Chemi Nutra has the patent on Phosphatidic Acid for any muscle building claims.

If you think about it, it's not very reassuring:
Only sold on Amazon + Claims to have a % of PA that no one else does + Violating patents on the ingredient

Oh, and plus it would be impossible to get all those ingredients in 5 softgels unless they are the size of your hand lol

DaveMcNaul said:
That's what I was thinking.
A friend of mine was tanking it and he liked it so I've got 2 bottles for $29.

I hope Steve could release PA ASAP!!
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We have it in the warehouse now; it's just a matter of scheduling the release on it bc we have so many new products that we have to schedule to release.

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What w

What was that?
Like a superior type of PA?

I cannot find any info about 70% PA in the whole damn internet....
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That's because there isn't a 70% version of it.

Chemi Nutra has the patent on it and theirs is 50% and most generics that you do see violating the patent are less.

Jeremyk1 said:
There’s a few potential issues with this stuff. The first thing that worries me is that no one can seem to find any info about a supposedly trademarked ingredient. If “MusclePeak” was a legit branded ingredient, you’d think there would be some marketing material at least.

Also, if some random company can make a 70% PA extract, why didn’t a much bigger, well known company do that with Mediator? If real legit stuff is only 50%, how did they get so much higher and still charge a relatively low price?

If you add up all the ingredients, you have a minimum of 5 grams in each serving. We don’t know the standardization for the phosphatidylcholine, so that could be a lot more. But even still, it’s got to be at least 1 gram of ingredients per capsule. Which is a lot. Not impossible, but those would have to be huge.

I just don’t know. It may be alright, but seems like a lot of red flags.
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Great observations.

Muscle Peak isn't a branded ingredient, its their nickname version for the PA in their product. There is no way that they could get a trademarked name registered on Phosphatidic Acid because Chemi Nutra has the patent on all muscle building claims on PA with their Mediator PA ingredient.

One thing though - there are actually some branded ingredients that are surprisingly hard to find info on, especially during their first year on the market. The reason for that is that sometimes branded ingredient companies will do what you may think of as like a limited release on an ingredient to see what the feedback and interest is before they put a lot of money into marketing them. That's kind of a hush-hush thing, but not that uncommon. (But not the case with this).

Size wise - these aren't capsules, they're softgels, so yes, it would be impossible unless they are massive. For capsules, the max volume for size 00 is approx. 750 mg. and then there are 000 size but hardly anyone uses them because they are expensive and most people have a hard time swallowing them and they can fit around 1000 mg. BUT phosphatidic acid is a fluffy material so its actually hard to hit max capsule yield with it.

Falco1098 said:
Perhaps I will return it and get a brand using Mediator. Any brand suggestions?
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I would definitely return it if it were me.

We will be releasing Phosphatidic Acid XT within the next couple of weeks; it's in now, we just have so many new products in that we need to release, its just a matter of getting it into the release lineup. We don't like to release too many new things at once or something always seems to get overlooked.

Phosphatidic Acid XT - there is more to it than just PA. It will have 1,500 mg. Mediator PA (750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid) per serving but will also have 4 more ingredients.
 
sns8778 said:
I wrote out a long detailed post about this product in a different thread but I can't find it in search.

Basically, I wouldn't trust it for the reasons that others have said in the thread but also because Chemi Nutra has the patent on Phosphatidic Acid for any muscle building claims.

If you think about it, it's not very reassuring:
Only sold on Amazon + Claims to have a % of PA that no one else does + Violating patents on the ingredient

Oh, and plus it would be impossible to get all those ingredients in 5 softgels unless they are the size of your hand lol



We have it in the warehouse now; it's just a matter of scheduling the release on it bc we have so many new products that we have to schedule to release.



That's because there isn't a 70% version of it.

Chemi Nutra has the patent on it and theirs is 50% and most generics that you do see violating the patent are less.



Great observations.

Muscle Peak isn't a branded ingredient, its their nickname version for the PA in their product. There is no way that they could get a trademarked name registered on Phosphatidic Acid because Chemi Nutra has the patent on all muscle building claims on PA with their Mediator PA ingredient.

One thing though - there are actually some branded ingredients that are surprisingly hard to find info on, especially during their first year on the market. The reason for that is that sometimes branded ingredient companies will do what you may think of as like a limited release on an ingredient to see what the feedback and interest is before they put a lot of money into marketing them. That's kind of a hush-hush thing, but not that uncommon. (But not the case with this).

Size wise - these aren't capsules, they're softgels, so yes, it would be impossible unless they are massive. For capsules, the max volume for size 00 is approx. 750 mg. and then there are 000 size but hardly anyone uses them because they are expensive and most people have a hard time swallowing them and they can fit around 1000 mg. BUT phosphatidic acid is a fluffy material so its actually hard to hit max capsule yield with it.



I would definitely return it if it were me.

We will be releasing Phosphatidic Acid XT within the next couple of weeks; it's in now, we just have so many new products in that we need to release, its just a matter of getting it into the release lineup. We don't like to release too many new things at once or something always seems to get overlooked.

Phosphatidic Acid XT - there is more to it than just PA. It will have 1,500 mg. Mediator PA (750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid) per serving but will also have 4 more ingredients.
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Thanks for your post.
Probably is lecithin granules disolved in capsules, I really don't know man.

I been waiting for sns PA a lot of time.
Thank you for making this possible.
 
sns8778 said:
I wrote out a long detailed post about this product in a different thread but I can't find it in search.

Basically, I wouldn't trust it for the reasons that others have said in the thread but also because Chemi Nutra has the patent on Phosphatidic Acid for any muscle building claims.

If you think about it, it's not very reassuring:
Only sold on Amazon + Claims to have a % of PA that no one else does + Violating patents on the ingredient

Oh, and plus it would be impossible to get all those ingredients in 5 softgels unless they are the size of your hand lol



We have it in the warehouse now; it's just a matter of scheduling the release on it bc we have so many new products that we have to schedule to release.



That's because there isn't a 70% version of it.

Chemi Nutra has the patent on it and theirs is 50% and most generics that you do see violating the patent are less.



Great observations.

Muscle Peak isn't a branded ingredient, its their nickname version for the PA in their product. There is no way that they could get a trademarked name registered on Phosphatidic Acid because Chemi Nutra has the patent on all muscle building claims on PA with their Mediator PA ingredient.

One thing though - there are actually some branded ingredients that are surprisingly hard to find info on, especially during their first year on the market. The reason for that is that sometimes branded ingredient companies will do what you may think of as like a limited release on an ingredient to see what the feedback and interest is before they put a lot of money into marketing them. That's kind of a hush-hush thing, but not that uncommon. (But not the case with this).

Size wise - these aren't capsules, they're softgels, so yes, it would be impossible unless they are massive. For capsules, the max volume for size 00 is approx. 750 mg. and then there are 000 size but hardly anyone uses them because they are expensive and most people have a hard time swallowing them and they can fit around 1000 mg. BUT phosphatidic acid is a fluffy material so its actually hard to hit max capsule yield with it.



I would definitely return it if it were me.

We will be releasing Phosphatidic Acid XT within the next couple of weeks; it's in now, we just have so many new products in that we need to release, its just a matter of getting it into the release lineup. We don't like to release too many new things at once or something always seems to get overlooked.

Phosphatidic Acid XT - there is more to it than just PA. It will have 1,500 mg. Mediator PA (750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid) per serving but will also have 4 more ingredients.
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I will wait and make sure to buy yoursm
 
sns8778 said:
I wrote out a long detailed post about this product in a different thread but I can't find it in search.

Basically, I wouldn't trust it for the reasons that others have said in the thread but also because Chemi Nutra has the patent on Phosphatidic Acid for any muscle building claims.

If you think about it, it's not very reassuring:
Only sold on Amazon + Claims to have a % of PA that no one else does + Violating patents on the ingredient

Oh, and plus it would be impossible to get all those ingredients in 5 softgels unless they are the size of your hand lol



We have it in the warehouse now; it's just a matter of scheduling the release on it bc we have so many new products that we have to schedule to release.



That's because there isn't a 70% version of it.

Chemi Nutra has the patent on it and theirs is 50% and most generics that you do see violating the patent are less.



Great observations.

Muscle Peak isn't a branded ingredient, its their nickname version for the PA in their product. There is no way that they could get a trademarked name registered on Phosphatidic Acid because Chemi Nutra has the patent on all muscle building claims on PA with their Mediator PA ingredient.

One thing though - there are actually some branded ingredients that are surprisingly hard to find info on, especially during their first year on the market. The reason for that is that sometimes branded ingredient companies will do what you may think of as like a limited release on an ingredient to see what the feedback and interest is before they put a lot of money into marketing them. That's kind of a hush-hush thing, but not that uncommon. (But not the case with this).

Size wise - these aren't capsules, they're softgels, so yes, it would be impossible unless they are massive. For capsules, the max volume for size 00 is approx. 750 mg. and then there are 000 size but hardly anyone uses them because they are expensive and most people have a hard time swallowing them and they can fit around 1000 mg. BUT phosphatidic acid is a fluffy material so its actually hard to hit max capsule yield with it.



I would definitely return it if it were me.

We will be releasing Phosphatidic Acid XT within the next couple of weeks; it's in now, we just have so many new products in that we need to release, its just a matter of getting it into the release lineup. We don't like to release too many new things at once or something always seems to get overlooked.

Phosphatidic Acid XT - there is more to it than just PA. It will have 1,500 mg. Mediator PA (750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid) per serving but will also have 4 more ingredients.
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Right on the money.
 
I opened the pill. This is how it looks. It is like an oil base.
Granules around.
Smell like lecithin or similar.
Sandy feeling when I touched it

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Phosphatidic acid powder

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Falco1098 said:
Perhaps I will return it and get a brand using Mediator. Any brand suggestions?
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if not in a rush wait till end of this month andhope we get SNS PA

i sold my nutrabio stash and saving money for SNS
 
Over/under on how long the company goes before someone tests this and it comes back reg. lecithin and they claim: We were told by our raw material supplier this was 70% blah blah blah......................................unfortunately this would NOT be unprecedented.
 
Resolve10 said:
Products like this are why we can't have nice things. :(
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Sadly its the companies that do things the wrong way that a lot of times make the most profits in terms of low cost of goods sold vs. high selling prices and since they often know they are doing things the wrong way and don't care, they're not even bothering to try to spend the money on compliance that legit companies have to.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Over/under on how long the company goes before someone tests this and it comes back reg. lecithin and they claim: We were told by our raw material supplier this was 70% blah blah blah......................................unfortunately this would NOT be unprecedented.
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If you know a lab, I could send them samples.

UDG supplements in 2022, no please.
 
sns8778 said:
We will be releasing Phosphatidic Acid XT within the next couple of weeks; it's in now, we just have so many new products in that we need to release, its just a matter of getting it into the release lineup. We don't like to release too many new things at once or something always seems to get overlooked.

Phosphatidic Acid XT - there is more to it than just PA. It will have 1,500 mg. Mediator PA (750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid) per serving but will also have 4 more ingredients.
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I got a fever, and the only prescription is SNS PAXT.

Please, just take my money! 🤣🤣🤣
 
sns8778 said:
Sadly its the companies that do things the wrong way that a lot of times make the most profits in terms of low cost of goods sold vs. high selling prices and since they often know they are doing things the wrong way and don't care, they're not even bothering to try to spend the money on compliance that legit companies have to.
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There was one (big) company from about 7-8 years ago that didn't want to wait for a certain raw material to be re-stocked by their manufacturer. So, they went ahead and had the manufacturer make the product anyway--without the ingredient.

This conversation (email) between the company owner and the manufacturer escaped and became public. This was the beginning of the end for that company. At one time they made the Fortune 500 List. Today? Not so good.
 
Mike Arnold said:
There was one (big) company from about 7-8 years ago that didn't want to wait for a certain raw material to be re-stocked by their manufacturer. So, they went ahead and had the manufacturer make the product anyway--without the ingredient.

This conversation (email) between the company owner and the manufacturer escaped and became public. This was the beginning of the end for that company. At one time they made the Fortune 500 List. Today? Not so good.
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Always money > honor.
 
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