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Another Time-Off Question

mxmadman

mxmadman

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Although standard procedure is to take time-on + PCT = time-off, I think this may be a little different.

I took 1-Androsterone and 4-AD by Advanced Muscle Science and saw extremely poor results. Diet and training were in check, yet after 6 weeks of the standard dosing of these compounds, I've only gained about 5 pounds (I'm up 8 total, but im fairly certain some of it is fat, since i packed on the calories to get these pills to work) of muscle.

I'd like to do a 5 or 6 week cycle of H-Drol ASAP. My question is, how soon is too soon? Can I do it RIGHT after PCT? 2 Weeks later? or the standard 10 weeks (6 week cycle, 4 week pct)

I've experienced NO effects from these pills, and to be honest saying I've gained 5 pounds of muscle from these may be an overstatement. No side effects, no mass gain, no fat loss (opposite, in fact), no acne, lethargy, testicular atrophy. NOTHING!

...Sorry for the rant, any info would be appreciated.
 
Well no matter what it is standard to go by the common rule, but if you can get a blood test to see if you are ok then I don't really see any harm in starting it after your PCT. I know people get anxious and all but rather be safe than sorry in the long run. :) Good luck!
 
Haha. Well, to behonest I'm more concerned about whether or not h drol will be still be rather effective so soon. Also, I don't think the 'cycle' I did was strong enough to effect my hormones radically, let alone liver, etc. Thanks for the response man. Any more ideas would be great in regards to the effectiveness
 
Hmm, well if you feel that the cycle did absolutely nothing to you, you could of just jumped right to your H-drol and saved your PCT for later? Either or, I don't think I have read many good things about the 4-AD.

In the end, the decision is up to you. I'm sure guys with more experience will tell you your best bet, but I do believe it comes down to what you want to do personally.
 
Well, to be honest having heard some mediocre reviews before buying it was one of my determining factors. I wanted to start off small, work my way to something stronger. But.. I still expected more. I actually haven't started my pct yet. Anyone else agree I should start h drol immediately following this cycle? Save the pct for after h drol? Thanks again man!
 
mxmadman said:
Haha. Well, to behonest I'm more concerned about whether or not h drol will be still be rather effective so soon. Also, I don't think the 'cycle' I did was strong enough to effect my hormones radically, let alone liver, etc. Thanks for the response man. Any more ideas would be great in regards to the effectiveness
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This is not a good way to think and can get you in a lot of trouble. No matter if you felt the last cycle was effective or not proper time off is required for the sake of your health. Your natural test has to get back to normal. Please reconsider your thoughts of just jumping into another cycle. 2 months minimum before cycling again.
 
That's true... just because I didn't feel anything doesn't mean it didn't mess up my test.. Hmm. One person saying do it before pct, one person saying 8 weeks. I'm truly divided now. Any other opinions would help immensely, my pct starts in 4 days, so .. Time is of the essense.
 
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That's true... just because I didn't feel anything doesn't mean it didn't mess up my test.. Hmm. One person saying do it before pct, one person saying 8 weeks. I'm truly divided now. Any other opinions would help immensely, my pct starts in 4 days, so .. Time is of the essense.
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are you able to get a blood test if so take one and see if you really were affected or not.
 
No insurance for a proper test. I suppose I could do it out of pocket or order a self-test. Hmmm.. So many things to ponder.

How about a question based purely on opinion. If you were in my shoes, what would you do? Anyone who cares to share their thoughts or experiences please chime in.

Thanks again!
 
They aren't methylated. My pct plans were to take arom x, which is AMS's pct product. If this cycle really did affect me tho I'm worried that arom x might show similar results lol. Worst case scenario with any cycle I do now or in the future is I have nolva on hand. No chance in hell ill need it for this cycle tho...
 
what is your usage history etc. I mean I know what I would do but I've been doing this since alot of people on the board were in elementary school so I may have a little differnt take
 
This was my first experience. The plan is to work my way up through the range of mild to hardcore one step at a time. Unmethylated, then h drol, then epi, etc. The thing is, common method makes you unable to do more than a few effective cycles per year. I wasted a ton of money on these products, and I would hate to waste another 10 weeks on top of it if its not necessary. So, as an experienced user what would you personally do, and what do you suggest I do? Thanks for the patience man, I try to shorten my statements since I'm doing all this via my 3 year old cell phone.
 
Me If i hadn't started PCT yet I'd probablly roll right into the Hdrol the thought being I probablly am already shut down at this point If I start PCt and get my natural test restarted then I am going to want to go the whole way through and wait for the 10 weeks. I can't personally recommend it for you but
Once shut down your shut down once you start up again you want to stay natural not shut down again Hence guys running 12-16 week inject cycles etc.

However I do not know your health history your bp how hard your cycle was on your liver etc. So take everything I say with caution and remember I am not advising it just telling you what I would do since you asked
 
I think catuion is the way to go. I would do the planned PCT see how I feel, then decide. PP has salivary test kits, maybe try one of them and see what results are. Their PCT stack is great.
 
Hmm.. I think I'm gonna go straight into the h drol based on what you said about being shut down and why recover just to shut right back down. As far as concerns over liver health, this cycle is never taken with as much as milk thistle from the logs I've seen. Even the rep I talked to before starting didn't think it was worth to cost for that sort of support.

Of course, this is not the case with h drol.. No worries, covered.
 
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