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blueline438

blueline438

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I have a few main routines that I stick with. But i feel as if those routines are better for helping build strength.

I need help. I have never focused on exercises for definition. Now I want to. I feel as though my shoulders are lacking and my upper chest especially. I also want to grow my lats out and develop a nice taper. Can anyone help me with some advice. I am pretty knowledgeable but I have an issue with do as I say not as I do. But when I have a routine or I've been told a few things I will hit it pretty.

Here's some pics of where I'm at currently. Please critique and tell me what to do.
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Stolen from tank. Pretty sure he stole it from hulk. booneman77
Woody Burnfire Cjg bighulksmash thebigt hairygrandpa rtmilburn FireTitan alphagainz Clean gene ZOO jramoska SFreed CJNator HIT4ME wesb2387 Gutterpump Tank999 DennisTheDane Danes SpicedCider ryane87 Juicedeez utz BEAST73 Alpha1agreda LeanEngineer coltonwalker Brandinooooo Sparkss Studhorse blueline438 vujade Volvo140G Chuck Diesel Ag5000 lifted67 Burnfire Cjg bighulksmash thebigt hairygrandpa smith_69 rtmilburn FireTitan alphagainz Clean gene ZOO jramoska SFreed CJNator HIT4ME wesb2387 Gutterpump Tank999 DennisTheDane Danes SpicedCider ryane87 Juicedeez utz BEAST73 Alpha1agreda LeanEngineer coltonwalker Brandinooooo Sparkss Studhorse blueline438 vujade Volvo140G Ag5000 lifted67 Jebrook halfhuman ChocolateClen justhere4comm matt8483 ryane87 nostrum420 bigt hairygrandpa smith_69 rtmilburn FireTitan alphagainz Clean gene ZOO jramoska SFreed CJNator HIT4ME wesb2387 Gutterpump Tank999 DennisTheDane Danes SpicedCider ryane87 Juicedeez utz BEAST73 Alpha1agreda LeanEngineer coltonwalker Brandinooooo Sparkss Studhorse blueline438 vujade Volvo140G Ag5000 lifted67 Jebrook halfhuman ChocolateClen justhere4comm matt8483 ryane87 nostrum420 BloodManor Studhorse habajaba
 
Brandinooooo said:
Drop weight just a tad and go for higher reps. Instead of the usual 4-6 strength gain reps, switch to 8-12.
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I've been doing that. I've been doing a pretty aggressive routine and I feel like I'm shaping up pretty well but I'm looking for that golden routine. Something that will isolate specific groups and help grow. Or am I over thinking this crap.
 
My theories aren't always popular or agreed with, but I don't believe in "training for definition". No matter how you train, a muscle will adapt and grow, or it won't grow. HOW it grows is generally beyond your control. Strength is the best way to tell if you're creating physical adaptations, because once you are experienced beyond your first couple years, natural adaptations can be in the 5 pounds per year range, which makes it hard to tell if you're growing on a week to week basis unless you are measuring strength gains.

What are the routines you have been doing? How is your progression going? When you say train for definition, what exactly are your goals? You look relatively lean (maybe lose 5 pounds of fat and you'd be ripped I think, maybe I'm wrong), and you have a pretty good base built from whatever you've been doing to this point. Maybe your expectations need a slight adjustment - what are you hoping for? I'm not saying that to be snide either - I REALLY had to adjust my own expectations a little before I started making progress. Sometimes you try to get too much too fast and you wind up getting nothing because you're not sticking to the basics.

As far as building a V-Taper and lats - pull ups and bent over rows. Deadlifts. Military presses for shoulders (although these are my weakness too, so hopefully others will chime in).
 
blueline438 said:
Stolen from tank. Pretty sure he stole it from hulk.

Woody Burnfire Cjg bighulksmash thebigt hairygrandpa rtmilburn FireTitan alphagainz Clean gene ZOO jramoska SFreed CJNator HIT4ME wesb2387 Gutterpump Tank999 DennisTheDane Danes SpicedCider ryane87 Juicedeez utz BEAST73 Alpha1agreda LeanEngineer coltonwalker Brandinooooo Sparkss Studhorse blueline438 vujade Volvo140G Chuck Diesel Ag5000 lifted67 Burnfire Cjg bighulksmash thebigt hairygrandpa smith_69 rtmilburn FireTitan alphagainz Clean gene ZOO jramoska SFreed CJNator HIT4ME wesb2387 Gutterpump Tank999 DennisTheDane Danes SpicedCider ryane87 Juicedeez utz BEAST73 Alpha1agreda LeanEngineer coltonwalker Brandinooooo Sparkss Studhorse blueline438 vujade Volvo140G Ag5000 lifted67 Jebrook halfhuman ChocolateClen justhere4comm matt8483 ryane87 nostrum420 bigt hairygrandpa smith_69 rtmilburn FireTitan alphagainz Clean gene ZOO jramoska SFreed CJNator HIT4ME wesb2387 Gutterpump Tank999 DennisTheDane Danes SpicedCider ryane87 Juicedeez utz BEAST73 Alpha1agreda LeanEngineer coltonwalker Brandinooooo Sparkss Studhorse blueline438 vujade Volvo140G Ag5000 lifted67 Jebrook halfhuman ChocolateClen justhere4comm matt8483 ryane87 nostrum420 BloodManor Studhorse habajaba
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Didnt steal it - BORROWED it.....it's the famous bighulksmash list of course, and as hulk says "it's da bommb""!
 
i sent something to mmorso

ask him if it helped
 
blueline438 said:
I've been doing that. I've been doing a pretty aggressive routine and I feel like I'm shaping up pretty well but I'm looking for that golden routine. Something that will isolate specific groups and help grow. Or am I over thinking this crap.
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also no your not- your just missing 2 simple little key parts- TUT and M&M connection-

all the advice here is good, but as you can see, without this, your going to come up short
 
Truth is - as far as I could tell from over 35 years of hanging out in serious gyms - there is no such thing. Build the muscle, peel the fat and voila! Definition!
Just my personal opinion - definitely not mainstream.....
 
smith_69 said:
also no your not- your just missing 2 simple little key parts- TUT and M&M connection-

all the advice here is good, but as you can see, without this, your going to come up short
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TUT? M&M - mind and muscle?
 
Yes it did: smith_69 broke down trap training and made me realize I've never performed a shrug correctly before today. lol I followed his advice and did a few shrug variations he suggested with lighter weight.. sh1t I'm sore. Thanks brother
 
HIT4ME said:
My theories aren't always popular or agreed with, but I don't believe in "training for definition". No matter how you train, a muscle will adapt and grow, or it won't grow. HOW it grows is generally beyond your control. Strength is the best way to tell if you're creating physical adaptations, because once you are experienced beyond your first couple years, natural adaptations can be in the 5 pounds per year range, which makes it hard to tell if you're growing on a week to week basis unless you are measuring strength gains.

What are the routines you have been doing? How is your progression going? When you say train for definition, what exactly are your goals? You look relatively lean (maybe lose 5 pounds of fat and you'd be ripped I think, maybe I'm wrong), and you have a pretty good base built from whatever you've been doing to this point. Maybe your expectations need a slight adjustment - what are you hoping for? I'm not saying that to be snide either - I REALLY had to adjust my own expectations a little before I started making progress. Sometimes you try to get too much too fast and you wind up getting nothing because you're not sticking to the basics.

As far as building a V-Taper and lats - pull ups and bent over rows. Deadlifts. Military presses for shoulders (although these are my weakness too, so hopefully others will chime in).
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Honestly man I don't know. I just want to look better. I feel like I look decent. I want some definition and to hit my lacking areas. But I'm not sure what the best exercises would be.

When I am going for strength I do a 5x5 routine with squats 3-5 days a week. Deadlifts 2-3 days a week and different chest routines thrown in. I've been doing a Greg plitt routine for the last few weeks and i think it's working well but I really want to try and hit each muscle group twice a week now. I know the general idea for definition and cuts is higher rep range.
I think I'm just looking for exercises that help with definition. I think? I'm so indecisive I thought a thread like this would help. Lol
 
Tank999 said:
Truth is - as far as I could tell from over 35 years of hanging out in serious gyms - there is no such thing. Build the muscle, peel the fat and voila! Definition!
Just my personal opinion - definitely not mainstream.....
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So if I just stick with my routines with higher reps and working weight and get that diet down that's the key? Instead of 5x5 I do 5x15? It's always been get big to me. But since I jacked up my hand getting as big as I wanted isn't going to happen for a while.
 
blueline438 said:
So if I just stick with my routines with higher reps and working weight and get that diet down that's the key? Instead of 5x5 I do 5x15? It's always been get big to me. But since I jacked up my hand getting as big as I wanted isn't going to happen for a while.
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Just my opinion of course: 10 -12 rep range on compound exercises, including squats and dedz of course, with enough recovery time and protein, and you will get those muscle bursting.
 
Ok. Well starting tomorrow I'm gonna focus on working on my definition. I'm gonna really pay attention to my sets and rep range. I'll keep a good log of my lifts too for progress. Thanks so far guys. Keep all this coming. I know I'm not the only out there looking for this.
 
mmorso said:
Yes it did: smith_69 broke down trap training and made me realize I've never performed a shrug correctly before today. lol I followed his advice and did a few shrug variations he suggested with lighter weight.. sh1t I'm sore. Thanks brother
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mmorso said:
Mind and muscle connection is everything... I'm about to start critiquing all my lifts
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anytime bro
 
blueline438 said:
Ok. Well starting tomorrow I'm gonna focus on working on my definition. I'm gonna really pay attention to my sets and rep range. I'll keep a good log of my lifts too for progress. Thanks so far guys. Keep all this coming. I know I'm not the only out there looking for this.
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Slow negatives whenever possible. Thats how I grow so fast .
 
These are a couple of good vids for shoulder/traps tips

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Sweet in on this!
 
So today I did my chest and tri day. Tomorrow I'll hit shoulders and back. But today I did every rep real slow and methodical. I really paid attention to my range of motion and when and what I was flexing. It was a really good lift. I feel great and tired. It was a lot different than my Normal routines. But I didn't really change much. Just my thoughts and speed
 
blueline438 said:
So today I did my chest and tri day. Tomorrow I'll hit shoulders and back. But today I did every rep real slow and methodical. I really paid attention to my range of motion and when and what I was flexing. It was a really good lift. I feel great and tired. It was a lot different than my Normal routines. But I didn't really change much. Just my thoughts and speed
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You have done it correctly my friend.
 
Im offended i wasn't included on "the list"...

definition comes from sheer size and leanness. Its as simple as that. If you want to look defined, and are happy with your size, you have to get leaner. If you're happy with your leanness, you need more size.

I agree that you could def use to increase the rep ranges for more of a hypertrophy focus, as well as the metabolic benefits that come along with more HIIT type training. Shorter rest sets or more supersets will also add to the "afterburn" effect that will allow you to burn more cals through the day.

Personally, I've been running a modified PHAT program that allows me to use both higher and lower rep ranges, as well as a variety of intensity techniques to get some of the best of both strength and hyper worlds.
 
booneman77 said:
Im offended i wasn't included on "the list"...

definition comes from sheer size and leanness. Its as simple as that. If you want to look defined, and are happy with your size, you have to get leaner. If you're happy with your leanness, you need more size.

I agree that you could def use to increase the rep ranges for more of a hypertrophy focus, as well as the metabolic benefits that come along with more HIIT type training. Shorter rest sets or more supersets will also add to the "afterburn" effect that will allow you to burn more cals through the day.

Personally, I've been running a modified PHAT program that allows me to use both higher and lower rep ranges, as well as a variety of intensity techniques to get some of the best of both strength and hyper worlds.
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booneman77 said:
Im offended i wasn't included on "the list"...

definition comes from sheer size and leanness. Its as simple as that. If you want to look defined, and are happy with your size, you have to get leaner. If you're happy with your leanness, you need more size.

I agree that you could def use to increase the rep ranges for more of a hypertrophy focus, as well as the metabolic benefits that come along with more HIIT type training. Shorter rest sets or more supersets will also add to the "afterburn" effect that will allow you to burn more cals through the day.

Personally, I've been running a modified PHAT program that allows me to use both higher and lower rep ranges, as well as a variety of intensity techniques to get some of the best of both strength and hyper worlds.
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Holy crap dude. I did not know you weren't on that list. I just assumed it was all of AM. Lol.
I don't know what PHAT is besides "that's phat dude"
I think I'm happy with my size. But I know when I start toning up I'll be unhappy with it. I want to learn what it takes to develop physique so people are like dang that dude is cut up. Next year I want to do a legit bulk cycle and really grow. So I need to learn now how to clean that up and really my my muscles stand out.
 
bighulksmash said:
Just the tip of the iceberg. Wait until you wake up with hard ass sexy muscles. That's wat got me hooked.
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I'm waking up with something hard. That rise and swell I'm taking is kicking in.
 
POWERBUILDING low reps heavy weights for your main lifts then light and high reps for all supporting lifts! Boom mfo I make serious gains in both strong and size with this
 
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rtmilburn said:
Would but it does let upload pictures from my phone for whatever reason and I'm in the process of getting rid of a Trojan horse on my computer
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bighulksmash said:
Trojan horses are obsolete . It is probably a backdoored version of sub7 or Turmoil . Only antivirus out that picks it up is Kaspersky . I did a video not to long ago on this I can link you if you want . I can fully bypass any antivirus . Reverse HTTPS encoded shell . open up CMD and type NETSTAT -A -N -O hit enter .. any 8081 or 443 ports connected ?
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Haha idk to much. Most of that went over my head, but my dad is a IT geek so with a master's in electrical engineer.
 
Freaking nailed it hulk. I'm gonna start researching that guy. That old school sh** is my jam
 
Cutting diet, Squeeze on each rep to make the striations pop out, short rest on light weight and medium rest on heavy weights, cardio and of course steroids. I think the image of what are you looking for is shredded as **** and good vascularity.. so steroids in that mix.
 
corinthians said:
Cutting diet, Squeeze on each rep to make the striations pop out, short rest on light weight and medium rest on heavy weights, cardio and of course steroids. I think the image of what are you looking for is shredded as **** and good vascularity.. so steroids in that mix.
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Don't need steroids to accomplish that bud.
 
corinthians said:
What is the % you wanna achieve?
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I have no idea. I'm planning on doing a physique competition next year. So right now I'm just trying to figure out the best ways to clean up my definition now so when I do a bulk cycle in a few months I'll have the best plan of attack to shred down.
 
Try atleast preserve the most muscle possible of course. But natural you have to be really meticulous and even so you will lose a little bit. Cut weight natural is complicated and you will see yourself like ****, flat so small etc but if you will make some cycles on the future is fine. Hope you the best
 
corinthians said:
Cutting diet, Squeeze on each rep to make the striations pop out, short rest on light weight and medium rest on heavy weights, cardio
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im going to be extremely polite and simply rephrase this for you-
 
corinthians said:
Try atleast preserve the most muscle possible of course. But natural you have to be really meticulous and even so you will lose a little bit. Cut weight natural is complicated and you will see yourself like ****, flat so small etc but if you will make some cycles on the future is fine. Hope you the best
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Thanks.
 
Lot of guys already nailed it. Specially Hulk. Lower weight higher reps on accessory lifts. Heavier and less reps on main lifts (bench, OH press, deadlift, etc..) and add in TUT for your accessory. Works like a charm for me as well.

Another option that i enjoy and actually am doing right now, is Arnold's Blueprint. Some guys on here will say don't follow someone else program, but rather make one that works for you. Frankly.. the Arnold hits every aspect. I love the intensity. Some of the training days can tend to drag on.. that's where the "what works for you" comes into play. Listen to your body. But as far as a program, if you go that route, the Arnold Blueprint to Mass is outstanding. 4th time doing it in 3 years.
 
blueline438 said:
I have a few main routines that I stick with. But i feel as if those routines are better for helping build strength.

I need help. I have never focused on exercises for definition. Now I want to. I feel as though my shoulders are lacking and my upper chest especially. I also want to grow my lats out and develop a nice taper. Can anyone help me with some advice. I am pretty knowledgeable but I have an issue with do as I say not as I do. But when I have a routine or I've been told a few things I will hit it pretty.

Here's some pics of where I'm at currently. Please critique and tell me what to do.
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You could google a bodybuilding routine (being that you don't seem to be a rookie, you could probably figure out how to perform the exercises listed) and work your A$$ off. There's no "special" exercises for becoming defined. Like mentioned above pull-ups are great for the v-taper but a bodybuilding program is what's needed.

Being defined boils down to 2 things IMO and that is DIET and HARD TRAINING. And of course, the dreaded but necessary Cardio!
 
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