Androsterone

[Yetiman]

Long time reader, first time posting.
Would androsterone (3α-hydroxy-5α-androstan-17-one) be worth while solo? Just looking to gain strength not really after weight gain so much.

 

[cheftepesh1]

As a first time solo run it wouldn’t be bad. Make sure you have PCT available.

 

[Yetiman]

Hey thanks for the response! I have pharma clomid and nolva for pct. Is estrogen rebound something I need to worry about?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I doubt it, but it is possible. Not from the hormone itself but the disruption it causes overall.
Androsterone takes a lot of doses through the day but produces harden looks and strength gains.
I think you would enjoy it 6-8 weeks.

 

[Yetiman]

I plan to use alpha gainz alpha andro Td product. What would be a good dose? I am definitely after strength more than anything and will probably run for 8 weeks. Also is hcg warranted? Sorry if these seem like stupid questions just want to do this as correctly as possible.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

no HCG will not be needed and the forum has many members who have used over the counter stuff for PCT. myself included. you are using a 3 step PH and its half life in the body will be very short. so your not going to effect the endocrine system in a severe manor.
I think 300-400mgs should be a good dose for a TD

 

[Yetiman]

@xR1pp3Rx I really appreciate the help man.

 

[Hyde]

Mild mild hormone. You’re not going to need any support supps for anything likely. Make sure one of your applications is pre-training and don’t use it near bedtime (unless you’d rather bang than sleep).

 

[Yetiman]

@Hyde Hey thanks for the input!

So I know ripper said hcg wouldn’t be needed however I have easy access to it so would it be useful at all or cause more harm than good?

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

do you need hcg with out androsterone? because if you don't now, you wont when you take androsterone. this will not affect you like that.

 

[Yetiman]

No I do not. I just thought anything suppressive warranted the use of hcg.

 

[Hyde]

No I do not. I just thought anything suppressive warranted the use of hcg.

This is about the mildest cycle suppression-wise I can think of honestly. Like an epi-androsterone cycle. This is probably milder than even a few mg of LGD, suppression-wise.

 

[Yetiman]

Does anyone know the half-life and how long this stuff takes to absorb completely?

 

[thebigt]

I plan to use alpha gainz alpha andro Td product. What would be a good dose? I am definitely after strength more than anything and will probably run for 8 weeks. Also is hcg warranted? Sorry if these seem like stupid questions just want to do this as correctly as possible.

i've ran that same product several times, 2 times with trest and along with virtus it kept sides virtually un-noticeable...when i have ran it solo i liked 1ml 1st thing in morning and 1ml mid-afternoon. i have never ran hcg.

 

[Yetiman]

Does anywhere have this available in caps?

 

[thebigt]

Does anywhere have this available in caps?

why would you want caps!!!

it is very expensive and transdermal gives much more bang for the buck.

 

[delsolrob]

Does anywhere have this available in caps?

There are some capped products out there, but it would require a pretty significant dose orally to be effective....and given the cost of the material, it would be cost prohibitive to offer an effectively dosed oral product.

 

[hyperCat]

I started a fairly low-dose kicker cycle of m1a with topical androsterone. Been feeling okay, but must say I’m slightly underwhelmed so far with the androsterone. Was hoping to see similar benefits to epi-Andro, but it just hasn’t shined quite as much as epi did, at least yet ( a week in ). Been using 2ml split daily behind knees and on ankles mostly. May have to bump dose. Main difference has been been no real positive effect on well-being, motivation or mood. Epi has all that covered, plus strength increases are much more pronounced. Think I’ll bump up to 3ml until I’m out (at which point I’ll be off the m1a and bridged into a 1-Andro cycle stacked with epi). I’m well aware that orals can be harsh on lipids, so I’m also adding in 10mg of cardarine and upping my niacin to 1500mg daily, as well as doubling my krill intake. Also going to clean up my diet a bit and introduce a bit more cardio. Anyone use a home kit for testing cholesterol? If so any recommendations? Older I get the more I’m paying attention to health markers. The days of the Wild West are coming to an end for me soon....gotta play the game smarter nowadays.

 

[thebigt]

I started a fairly low-dose kicker cycle of m1a with topical androsterone. Been feeling okay, but must say I’m slightly underwhelmed so far with the androsterone. Was hoping to see similar benefits to epi-Andro, but it just hasn’t shined quite as much as epi did, at least yet ( a week in ). Been using 2ml split daily behind knees and on ankles mostly. May have to bump dose. Main difference has been been no real positive effect on well-being, motivation or mood. Epi has all that covered, plus strength increases are much more pronounced. Think I’ll bump up to 3ml until I’m out (at which point I’ll be off the m1a and bridged into a 1-Andro cycle stacked with epi). I’m well aware that orals can be harsh on lipids, so I’m also adding in 10mg of cardarine and upping my niacin to 1500mg daily, as well as doubling my krill intake. Also going to clean up my diet a bit and introduce a bit more cardio. Anyone use a home kit for testing cholesterol? If so any recommendations? Older I get the more I’m paying attention to health markers. The days of the Wild West are coming to an end for me soon....gotta play the game smarter nowadays.

try applying to neck/shoulder area.

 

[Yetiman]

I guess I was just worried about absorption time bc I swim in the middle of the day.

 

[Scottfalcon]

I always have good luck with R-Andro shred by hard rock supps.. yes it is expensive, but its capped and you get 300mg androsterone and 200mg 7-dhea. Always leans me out, fills me up and makes me hard.. everywhere

 

[delsolrob]

I always have good luck with R-Andro shred by hard rock supps.. yes it is expensive, but its capped and you get 300mg androsterone and 200mg 7-dhea. Always leans me out, fills me up and makes me hard.. everywhere

that product does not contain androsterone, it contains epiandrosterone.

 

[delsolrob]

I guess I was just worried about absorption time bc I swim in the middle of the day.

you shouldn't have any issues with Alpha Seven if you're not swimming within 5 hours of application.

 

[delsolrob]

I started a fairly low-dose kicker cycle of m1a with topical androsterone. Been feeling okay, but must say I’m slightly underwhelmed so far with the androsterone. Was hoping to see similar benefits to epi-Andro, but it just hasn’t shined quite as much as epi did, at least yet ( a week in ). Been using 2ml split daily behind knees and on ankles mostly. May have to bump dose. Main difference has been been no real positive effect on well-being, motivation or mood. Epi has all that covered, plus strength increases are much more pronounced. Think I’ll bump up to 3ml until I’m out (at which point I’ll be off the m1a and bridged into a 1-Andro cycle stacked with epi). I’m well aware that orals can be harsh on lipids, so I’m also adding in 10mg of cardarine and upping my niacin to 1500mg daily, as well as doubling my krill intake. Also going to clean up my diet a bit and introduce a bit more cardio. Anyone use a home kit for testing cholesterol? If so any recommendations? Older I get the more I’m paying attention to health markers. The days of the Wild West are coming to an end for me soon....gotta play the game smarter nowadays.

are you using Alpha Andro by Alpha Gainz?

 

[Scottfalcon]

that product does not contain androsterone, it contains epiandrosterone.

Well **** me.. i swear this used to contain androsterone a few years ago, now its "di hydro epiandrosterone".. been using it once or twice a year for the last 3-4 years and either they changed the formula or I'm just an idiot

 

[delsolrob]

Well **** me.. i swear this used to contain androsterone a few years ago, now its "di hydro epiandrosterone".. been using it once or twice a year for the last 3-4 years and either they changed the formula or I'm just an idiot

I'm sure it's still a solid product! But, if it contained that much androsterone then I bet the price would be significantly higher...prob over the $100 mark.

Should def give Alpha Seven a try sometime

 

[Scottfalcon]

I'm sure it's still a solid product! But, if it contained that much androsterone then I bet the price would be significantly higher...prob over the $100 mark.

Should def give Alpha Seven a try sometime

Well now I'm kicking myself for not getting alpha-7 because I wanted androsterone and epiandro.. the only thing holding me back from alpha-7 was I kind of thought it's a low dose of androsterone, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[delsolrob]

Transdermal is going to be significantly more effective than oral - likely around a factor of 2. 200mg of td androsterone is likely comparable to 400mg via oral administration. additionally, Androsterone has an incredibly short half life - transdermal delivery also buffers delivery over an extended period of time - roughly 12 hours with the gels we use on the black series of products. Salvo based products (like the alpha gainz topical PH's) average 8 hours

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Does anywhere have this available in caps?

non us sites ..i prefer caps as well but shyt gets expensive

 

[Rockslide]

I believe hard rock reformulated it. At one point it was androsterone but noticed the label changed like 6 months ago.

how much would it cost to put out 90 caps of androsterone w/ cyclodextrin complex. Say 75 mg active per cap? I would think this would be pretty bomb stacked with alpha stano

 

[Scottfalcon]

I believe hard rock reformulated it. At one point it was androsterone but noticed the label changed like 6 months ago.

how much would it cost to put out 90 caps of androsterone w/ cyclodextrin complex. Say 75 mg active per cap? I would think this would be pretty bomb stacked with alpha stano

Thanks for confirming im not crazy man, I knew the first few times I used it, it was definitely androsterone (at least thats what the label said)

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

brawn 100mg - 90 caps is the best deal most likely

 

[thebigt]

I believe hard rock reformulated it. At one point it was androsterone but noticed the label changed like 6 months ago.

how much would it cost to put out 90 caps of androsterone w/ cyclodextrin complex. Say 75 mg active per cap? I would think this would be pretty bomb stacked with alpha stano

for exactly the reason @delsolrob said-cost would be too high.
with transdermal you get x2 for dosing over oral plus you only need once daily dosing.

 

[Rockslide]

I’m a fan... got 3 bottles of UH in from iconic last week. Wife just told me she was pregnant right before I started though.... thus transdermal products are a big no for the next 3/4 year as even minimal amounts can cause miscarriage, especially early.

so for now oral epi. Again love TD but just can’t right now

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I’m a fan... got 3 bottles of UH in from iconic last week. Wife just told me she was pregnant right before I started though.... thus transdermal products are a big no for the next 3/4 year as even minimal amounts can cause miscarriage, especially early.

so for now oral epi. Again love TD but just can’t right now

congrats brother .. exciting times

 

[Rockslide]

Thanks, I’m pumped !

speaking of pumped....

150 mg of androsterone (active) with cycledextrin complex + 1.5 grams of creatine nitrate in a flavored sublingual powder ! Bring it to market!

 

[delsolrob]

I had discussed making a androsterone cyclodextrin complex - may be able to see about it in the near future.

 

[thebigt]

I had discussed making a androsterone cyclodextrin complex - may be able to see about it in the near future.

maybe a combo-androsterone/epiandro? would go great as add on to trandermals as a pre-workout?

 

[Yetiman]

Androsterone is supposed to increase t4 conversion right? If so, is there a thyroid “crash” when stopping? Similar to Hpta suppression.

 

[hyperCat]

are you using Alpha Andro by Alpha Gainz?

Yep - that’s the one. Starting to dose it higher and seeing some better results. But I’m in the middle of a big project with work and been too tired to work out these past few days. Mental clarity seems to be a bit improved tho. Idk...hard to gauge.

 

[50Magnum]

that product does not contain androsterone, it contains epiandrosterone.

I talked to the strongsupplements and they said it still contains androsterone. I don't know why Hardrock renamed it di hydro epi, but they said the manufacturer told them they didn't change the ingredient and its exactly the same as it used to be.