Andros and DASCA 2104

[mgaiso68]

I have seen talk on the forum about DASCA 2014. I have a legit question about the Andros (1-Andro, 4-Andro, 19nor-Andro, etc) that are available today and are marketed as legal. Not trying to troll but just understand

People have said that the Andros are DHEA metabolites and thus exempt from DASCA. But, it is unclear to me as to how that is the case. I hope I am missing something.

According to DASCA “a drug or hormonal substance (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone) that is not listed in subparagraph(A)and is derived from, or has a chemical structure substantially similar to, 1 or more anabolic steroids listed in subparagraph (A)” is now a controlled substance.

In addition, according to DASCA the only way a compound could NOT be considered a drug or hormone is if meets ALL 3 of the following
1) It is herbal or botanical (I paraphrased that one; AND
2) It “is a dietary ingredient for purposes of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.)”; AND
3) It “is not anabolic or androgenic.”

Here is my question, how are the Andros legal under DASCA? They are not herbal so they would be a drug or hormone for purposes of DASCA. But then, there is the exemption i.e., (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone) Andros are not estrogens, progestins, or corticosteroids. People have said that the Andros are DHEA metabolites and thus exempt, but the law exempts DHEA, not DHEA metabolites. To say that DHEA metabolites are exempt seems to be an assumption. Also, to say that 1-DHEA or 4-DHEA fit under the term DHEA also seems to be a stretch. Note that estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids are all plural. So more than one type of estrogen for example could be exempt. However dehydroepiandrosterone is singular. That would seem to mean only one type of DHEA. That would seem to be 5-DHEA.

I really appreciate your thoughts. Like I said, I hope I am missing something. Perhaps the 19nor-DHEA would qualify as a progestin?

 

[mmorso]

Idk man... I've wondered that myself... To add to the confusion, I think Sup3r-11 and Sup3r-2 got discontinued for not being entirely DASCA compliant... Not sure, but I thought both were DHEA metabolites...

 

[InItForGainz]

I think it's because they're not androgenic or anabolic as they are, the body has to convert them into the desired compound.
Take 1-Andro for example, it has to go through a conversion within the body to become 1-Testosterone and active.
Not exactly sure but I remember reading this somewhere previously.

 

[vujade]

Idk man... I've wondered that myself... To add to the confusion, I think Sup3r-11 and Sup3r-2 got discontinued for not being entirely DASCA compliant... Not sure, but I thought both were DHEA metabolites...

Super 11 is 11 ketotestosterone, it is not 2 a step dhea prohormone. It is an active steroid.

Super 2 is a 1 step prohormone to desoxy testosterone, so most likely it is also not legal under DASCA.

 

[mgaiso68]

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your response.

However, even if one were to make the case that they are not androgenic or anabolic, it would not make them legal under DASCS. not being androgenic or anabolic is only one for the three necessary criteria needed to be considered NOT a drug or hormone as I outlined in my original post. The andros can never be considered NOT a drug or hormone because they are not herbal or biotanical. See original post

If a compound doesn't met the criteria to be considered NOT a drug or hormone, the only exemption available for that compound is to qualify as an estrogen, progestin, corticosteroid, or DHEA. It's that last part (DHEA) that seems to get you close, but I am afraid not all the way there. That is because the andros are DHEA metabolites, the are not literally DHEA.

I am hoping that I am missing something else. Like for example were these somehow grandfathered as legal under some other law.