Andros: A User's Guide

ddfox said:
When it comes to "having an AI on hand" are the early signs/symptoms obvious when it will be needed? Do some people use it in PCT regardless of any sides?
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I do because I've discovered through multiple cycles that I'm very prone to estrogen side effects, so I know it's best for me personally to take a low dose AI until I'm in the clear. I prefer exemestane because it's suicidal so you don't get a rebound effect after you cease usage.
In terms of having an AI on hand while on cycle, and detecting symptoms of high e2, look for increased water retention (may happen anyway depending on what you're taking, take dbol for example), puffy and/or sensitive nips, or even lumps under the nips. But don't get all weird and start playing with your nips all the time, that'll only make things worse or cause gyno when you normally wouldn't have developed any issues.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The 1-Andro study used 330mg Caps with 6,7 DHB to enhance absorption - so I'd start at that dosage for a first cycle. You'll need (probably, but not definitely) a Hormone/Test Base - of which there are many these days (Dermacrine, 4-AD, Epiandro, Androsterone, and ((more advanced IMO)) Trest).
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is test base needed?
 
I had zeto lethargy from 1andro, altho I seem to be in the minority concerning this aspect. 4ad would be a good place to start
 
iowaviking11 said:
is test base needed?
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As OldGuy said, not needed, but something appropriate certainly can provide benefits.

Comes down to cost, and anticipating certain sides which you may or may not experience and to varying degrees if you do.

EDIT: ...so as volvo demonstrated
 
BamBam0319 said:
I do because I've discovered through multiple cycles that I'm very prone to estrogen side effects, so I know it's best for me personally to take a low dose AI until I'm in the clear. I prefer exemestane because it's suicidal so you don't get a rebound effect after you cease usage.
In terms of having an AI on hand while on cycle, and detecting symptoms of high e2, look for increased water retention (may happen anyway depending on what you're taking, take dbol for example), puffy and/or sensitive nips, or even lumps under the nips. But don't get all weird and start playing with your nips all the time, that'll only make things worse or cause gyno when you normally wouldn't have developed any issues.
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How quantity of exemestane and for how long we should take it in case of syptoms as you describe?
 
Might be an odd question but as far as storing andros/hormones etc. I live in Florida and it tends to get pretty warm down here. Is storing them in a pantry enough even if it gets up to 80 on the indoor thermostat or should I be keeping them in the fridge?
 
JONimal said:
Might be an odd question but as far as storing andros/hormones etc. I live in Florida and it tends to get pretty warm down here. Is storing them in a pantry enough even if it gets up to 80 on the indoor thermostat or should I be keeping them in the fridge?
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Yes. Vacuum packed bro:-)
 
A whole lot of unanswered questions in here, someone better tighten up...
 
JONimal said:
Might be an odd question but as far as storing andros/hormones etc. I live in Florida and it tends to get pretty warm down here. Is storing them in a pantry enough even if it gets up to 80 on the indoor thermostat or should I be keeping them in the fridge?
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A nice secluded dark place , I live in Florida too and I just keep my stuff on a shelf but if humidity is worrying you just put them in your closet in a shoe box or a container
 
808shredded said:
Anybody here got anxiety from epi andro. I went up to 500mg and anxiety kinda hit me hard.
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Anxiety can be a common side effect from many ph/ds. I've never had it with Epiandro but it's not entirely uncommon. I'd spread you doses as far out as possible, keep stimulants to a minimum, and experiment taking with or w/o food. Might want to avoid bed time dosing also if it causes sleep pattern disruptions or insomnia. Often there is a good chance that the anxiety is caused by the introduction of the ph/DS into your system and will lessen as you adapt to it.
 
Jebrook said:
Anxiety can be a common side effect from many ph/ds. I've never had it with Epiandro but it's not entirely uncommon. I'd spread you doses as far out as possible, keep stimulants to a minimum, and experiment taking with or w/o food. Might want to avoid bed time dosing also if it causes sleep pattern disruptions or insomnia. Often there is a good chance that the anxiety is caused by the introduction of the ph/DS into your system and will lessen as you adapt to it.
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Also if you've been having anxiety, try to avoid yohimbe, that stuff makes my anxiety sky rocket
 
bdenny said:
Would the dosages be the same for transdermal application?
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I have not used any TD andros. Most that use a TD carrier claim to have better availability and thus recommend a lower dose. I would suggest using the recommended dose of whichever product you're considering and adjust up as needed. IME with andros, optimal results are usually obtainable with a sufficient dose of 2-300 mg or more, regardless of the carrier system used.
 
Jebrook said:
I have not used any TD andros. Most that use a TD carrier claim to have better availability and thus recommend a lower dose. I would suggest using the recommended dose of whichever product you're considering and adjust up as needed. IME with andros, optimal results are usually obtainable with a sufficient dose of 2-300 mg or more, regardless of the carrier system used.
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loved when PP came out with liquid T- tasted nasty but whew
 
Jebrook said:
Anxiety can be a common side effect from many ph/ds. I've never had it with Epiandro but it's not entirely uncommon. I'd spread you doses as far out as possible, keep stimulants to a minimum, and experiment taking with or w/o food. Might want to avoid bed time dosing also if it causes sleep pattern disruptions or insomnia. Often there is a good chance that the anxiety is caused by the introduction of the ph/DS into your system and will lessen as you adapt to it.
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Itook it late once before bed, never again. Could not sleep at all. At 250 mg it make me feel good. Ill space the dosing farther apart and see how it goes. Thanks
 
Does anybody have an idea of what Dosing would look like for Injectable 1-Andro Enth would look like? Because of the ester, im assuming twice a week injects are suffice, and was going to do 500mg's a week. And im assuming you would stick to 6-8 week cycle length? I know its kind of uncharted waters but I can get a hold of some and it seemed like a nice idea to stack along with Test Cyp.
 
M.I.D said:
Guys, what is currently the best Andros for a lean stack?
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Dude it's not andro but sup3r 11 kt is one of the best compounds i have been on so far, def better than epiandro which i consumed 1 gram of it, it helped me lean out slightly tho.
11kt I can feel it and im only on 2nd week on it and leaning effects is noticeable and best pump and workouts so far.
if u decide to get it, get it before it's gone.
 
hamdysayed said:
Dude it's not andro but sup3r 11 kt is one of the best compounds i have been on so far, def better than epiandro which i consumed 1 gram of it, it helped me lean out slightly tho.
11kt I can feel it and im only on 2nd week on it and leaning effects is noticeable and best pump and workouts so far.
if u decide to get it, get it before it's gone.
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Ye I have run XI-KT before, Was good
 
We posted the DC info in the respective product writeups, plus Ive been mentioning it in any relevant threads. Sorry you guys only found out now.

But to confirm, we are discontinuing:

TR3ST
Dermatrest
SUP3R-2
SUP3R-11
 
Trest and Super-2 were pills, so not sure I'm buying "production issues" on those. If other companies are discontinuing 11KT, 2-Andro, and Trest (are there any? I know there is an XI-KT, that still in production?) it "looks" like what happened with SARMs - legal scare letters from someone? Total guess, feel free to tell me I'm on cr@ck.
 
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