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Andros: A User's Guide

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Could you run 4ad at higher dose like 440 or higher? Or would that cuz any sides other than estrogen being an issue
 
YouBet33 said:
Could you run 4ad at higher dose like 440 or higher? Or would that cuz any sides other than estrogen being an issue
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I severely doubt that you will be able to achieve supra physiological testosterone levels by mega dosing 4 dhea because of the limited number of enzymes in the body to convert the 4 dhea into its active hormone. Because of this I see no reason to go over 220 to 330mg of 4 dhea.
 
yates84 said:
I severely doubt that you will be able to achieve supra physiological testosterone levels by mega dosing 4 dhea because of the limited number of enzymes in the body to convert the 4 dhea into its active hormone. Because of this I see no reason to go over 220 to 330mg of 4 dhea.
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Out of curiosity does the same principle apply to 1-dhea? I'm not fantasticly familiar with the metabolic pathway.
 
Zug said:
Out of curiosity does the same principle apply to 1-dhea? I'm not fantasticly familiar with the metabolic pathway.
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The same principle will apply to all prohormones. There are just a limited number of enzymes in the body to convert these into their active state. That's the great thing about aas, no ceiling effect.
 
yates84 said:
The same principle will apply to all prohormones. There are just a limited number of enzymes in the body to convert these into their active state. That's the great thing about aas, no ceiling effect.
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No doubt, thats why i like epistane, my concern is with the two step conversion of dhea isomers and how intensive that is. Enzymes are renewable and dont go bad that quickly fortunately but im not sure how many there of the kind that convert say 1-andro. Essentially im worried that if we cant really get supraphysiological levels of 4-dhea ->testosterone conversion that we might not get much conversion of 1dhea-> 1-test. I mean considering a lot of people run dihydroboledenone at ~ 500mg a week could 1 andro produce even half as much of the 1-test as that?

An interesting thought which while im not sure how possible it would be could you theoretically make a transdermal enzyme cream which could provide the enzymes necessary for conversion and hence boosting the yield of dhea. Probably not cost effective but make it and people will buy anything that could give them a edge.
 
Zug said:
No doubt, thats why i like epistane, my concern is with the two step conversion of dhea isomers and how intensive that is. Enzymes are renewable and dont go bad that quickly fortunately but im not sure how many there of the kind that convert say 1-andro. Essentially im worried that if we cant really get supraphysiological levels of 4-dhea ->testosterone conversion that we might not get much conversion of 1dhea-> 1-test. I mean considering a lot of people run dihydroboledenone at ~ 500mg a week could 1 andro produce even half as much of the 1-test as that?

An interesting thought which while im not sure how possible it would be could you theoretically make a transdermal enzyme cream which could provide the enzymes necessary for conversion and hence boosting the yield of dhea. Probably not cost effective but make it and people will buy anything that could give them a edge.
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We actually looked into added enzymes for conversion, wasn't a plausible option for us for many reasons.
 
yates84 said:
We actually looked into added enzymes for conversion, wasn't a plausible option for us for many reasons.
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Makes sense, can't imagine they'd make it past the digestive system and liver, orally. Not to mention how long they'd remain active in vivo.

But since that was on the table in the first place and back to the first question. In layman's terms how much 1 andro can actually be converted by the average Joe in a dose. Ie how would you say it compares to 1-test cyp in say mg/week.
 
Zug said:
Makes sense, can't imagine they'd make it past the digestive system and liver, orally. Not to mention how long they'd remain active in vivo.

But since that was on the table in the first place and back to the first question. In layman's terms how much 1 andro can actually be converted by the average Joe in a dose. Ie how would you say it compares to 1-test cyp in say mg/week.
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I honestly couldn't give you an accurate answer, that is way above my pay grade. There are way too many things to factor into that equation and don't know where to begin to figure that out. 330mg of 1 dhea is a solid dose, even without enhancements a study showed healthy males gained an average of 9 pounds in 4 weeks using 330mg of 1 andro.
 
Totally fair, thank you much for the input Yates.
I'll have to see one day what dose is comparable to dhb cyp
 
As somebody new to the PH game and specifically interested in these 3 products, wow what great info. Thanks to yates for that hard work to start this thing off and all you guys for continuing it along.
 
Forgive my question. Bottles of 1-Andro all say take 1-2 tablets daily. AMS or other liquids say to take up to 2ml twice a day. But dosage recommendations ranged from 220mg and up depending on "level." OK, so when I look, one tablet = 50-65mg. So does that mean I should take 4-5 of these pills a day? If so, take twice a day or space with all meals?
 
My advise would be to stay away from stuff dosed at 50-65mg and the AMS stuff. Not cost effective at all in my opinion and a complete waste of time. That's my opinion, however, and others may disagree. If you can wait a couple weeks, get the Olympus 1-andro when it drops. If you have to have it now then get some some Super Mandro.
 
yates84 said:
I honestly couldn't give you an accurate answer, that is way above my pay grade. There are way too many things to factor into that equation and don't know where to begin to figure that out. 330mg of 1 dhea is a solid dose, even without enhancements a study showed healthy males gained an average of 9 pounds in 4 weeks using 330mg of 1 andro.
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This is really the take home message IMO. 330mg of the regular version were enough to produce remarkable results. We made it significantly more bioavailable at the same dose. Forget any kind of comparison with injectable 1-Test (does a legit, tested I.M. 1-Test product exist even? This is another story tho...) and remeber that this one works, works well and it's 100% legal.
 
ajbogs said:
Got me some equbolin... Let the gains begin!
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I have an order on this as well. I hope the customs to EU let it through though.
Hoping to stack this with OL's epiandro and 4-andro.
I think putting 1-andro as well could be a bit too much... ?
 
Question, I got almost a full bottle of alpha t-2 and forskoliin laying around, would that be a solid stack with equbolin for a body recomp or would that be a bad idea? I've googled it but got nothing
 
Capt Awesome said:
My advise would be to stay away from stuff dosed at 50-65mg and the AMS stuff. Not cost effective at all in my opinion and a complete waste of time. That's my opinion, however, and others may disagree. If you can wait a couple weeks, get the Olympus 1-andro when it drops. If you have to have it now then get some some Super Mandro.
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Thanks. I thought I did do research (before finding you guys as well) and also thought I bought the best bang for my buck. To be fair to AMS, I hopped on a scale today and was surprisingly 203.5. I'll be getting a body fat check on Friday and will weigh in again. If all positive, I'll probably start a log and I'm guessing many of you experienced pros of PH and/or AS will be shocked. You're not the first to say stay away from AMS.
 
maresenx said:
Which one of the andros is the best to counter weak boners during osta cycle?
Main goal is cutting by the way
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For most people, Epi-Andro will help in the bedroom. The combination of 4-Andro and Epi-Andro would be even better. Epi-Andro is what you'd want for a cut.
 
OP if i am running your recommendation for Beginner:
1-Andro - 220/220/220/220/220/220 and
4-Andro - 220/220/220/220/220/220
is it safe to use a Clomid only PCT?
Ive read to use Clomid and Nolva for PCT but they might be recommending that for real gear, I'm a bit confused on that part.
 
Generally speaking, clomid-only PCTs are fine and more than adequate. Id recommend considering the PCT protocol in one of the OPs.
 
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