yates84
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Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.
Andros: A User's Guide
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Maybe in their original form? Since they both convert to the same target hormone.
GreenMachineX
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xtyler
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Since Epiandrosterone is the precursor of the target hormone (DHT), its intrinsic activity is irrelevant....
GreenMachineX
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So all of it converts before having a chance to do anything?
xtyler
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That's exactly the idea behind Pro-Hormones: your body converts the precursors into active metabolites exerting the desired effect.
Compounds active in their own right fall into a different category...
jbryand101b
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Well 100mg isn't going to do anything
Your really only getting 70 some odd mg's of each.
No gains, no sides, no sides, no pct!
jbryand101b
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Yes, steroids negativity effect cholesterol.
jbryand101b
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Face palm.
This is androsterone
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This is epi androsterone
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This is dht
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See the 3 position? It has a hydroxy group.
See how one is solid, one isn't? That's differentiating between alpha an beta position.
But it doesn't matter because the target hormone is dht.
Vida numbers should be taken with a grain of salt, there is more to it than you are aware of.
GreenMachineX
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I don't understand chemistry like all of you do. Can you explain why it's "face palm" worthy?
thisguycali
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thanks guys.
In the beginner cycle example you gave as 220/220/220/220. Since these super 1 and 4 come in 50mg each pill should i run at 200/200/200/200 or 250/250/250/250?
And for the PCT i could run Nolvadex, could i run the Nolva at the same recommend doses you gave in the example for Clomid?
In the beginner cycle example you gave as 220/220/220/220. Since these super 1 and 4 come in 50mg each pill should i run at 200/200/200/200 or 250/250/250/250?
And for the PCT i could run Nolvadex, could i run the Nolva at the same recommend doses you gave in the example for Clomid?
jbryand101b
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It's face palm because your discussing vida numbers without understanding them.
I have a copy of vida, you have to look at what is being compared, method of administration, then understand that things don't always go how they do in a lab setting.
Epistane according to vida is extremely more potent than pheraplex, and superdrol but we know that isn't the case.
xtyler
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1-Andro and 4-Andro come in 110mg capsules (hence the 220-330 figures), the Epi-Andro comes in 250mg Capsules.
GreenMachineX
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Eh, kind of. But isn't that the point? To ask questions to learn more?
jbryand101b
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I guess. It's tough cause I'm lazy an don't want to finger type long explanations on my phone.
Chemistry gets pretty complicated an is tough to discuss explain on my phone.
BamBam0319
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Where?
jbryand101b
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Me personally I'd run 4-dhea at 600-1000mg
And 1-dhea at 500-800mg
And 1-dhea at 500-800mg
deepseajs
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Andro the giant (4-andro) and super mandro (1-andro) by hrs come in 110mg caps. Their epiandro is called androvar and comes in 100mg caps. Think there are a few other companies that dose this high also.
Looking forward to see what OL brings to the scene!
BamBam0319
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Thanks. I think I've looked into androvar before, I'll probably try that while I wait for OL to come out with their version.
deepseajs
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Ya man I ran all three together and liked it. Saw some decent strength gains mostly. A little size.
BamBam0319
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I ran epiandro for 4 weeks as part of a product that included epiandro and MK 677. I was limited on Dosing because it was 75mg epiandro and 10mg MK per cap. Didn't want to exceed 20mg MK so I could only run 150mg epiandro. Even then, I saw awesome strength increases and my water retention decreased greatly. Vascularity, definition, it all came through.
I can only imagine what a proper dose will do for me.
yates84
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We will definitely be putting out a very competitive product, you will be happy with the price point and dosages.
deepseajs
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Beast mode for sure
thisguycali
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Im a little confused now.
For the Super 1 Andro, the label says:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-1-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
For the Super 4 Andro:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-4-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
I thought the 3b-enanthoxyandrost was the chemical of concern. I don't see where it says 110mg? even adding everything active doesn't come up to 110mg.
For the Super 1 Andro, the label says:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-1-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
For the Super 4 Andro:
3b-enanthoxyandrost-4-en-17-one 50mg
6,7-dihydroxybergamottin 45% 15 mg
Piperine 5 mg
I thought the 3b-enanthoxyandrost was the chemical of concern. I don't see where it says 110mg? even adding everything active doesn't come up to 110mg.
jbryand101b
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I'm sure you'll see it soon
yates84
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Wow, those doses are low...
jbryand101b
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They're talking about different brands. That's iml you posted.
yates84
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Piperine and bergamottin will help prevent breakdown of the compound in the liver but it is still going to make both passes. You will still need 4 to 6 caps at 50mg to see results imo, that might get real expensive and real quick.
BamBam0319
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Olympus always does, you're not telling me anything new lol
jbryand101b
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People don't realize even pp andromass was esterfied 1-dhea&esterfied 4-dhea, 150mg of each with 2 servings a day giving you 300mg each, an you still wanted 2 bottles at least.
DennisTheDane
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They should make some caps with full dose so you should only take lets say 4 tabs a day for full dose
BamBam0319
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Well with 110 mg for 4-andro and 1-andro and 100mg for epiandro in the products listed above, wouldn't you only be taking 4 caps (maybe more) per day?
deepseajs
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Ya if they combined all three into one product that would be cool. It was a pain in the ass taking all those caps. After cycle support and other standard supps like fish oil and multivitamins I think I was taking like 25-30ish caps throughout the day lol. Maybe more idk. Felt like a crackhead
BamBam0319
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I know exactly how you feel. Even if I'm off cycle or not taking any orals I take a LOT of pills
DennisTheDane
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I made a post in here yesterday... If they put all of the stuff in one pill. So you would only need about 4 of them a day..When you take alot of other stuff its a pain with 1000 caps a day.
BamBam0319
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Oh okay I misunderstood. I was thinking in terms of if you were only running one compound at a time.
Yeah it'd be awesome if you could have all three at good doses in a reasonable amount of pills.
jbryand101b
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You'll want to space dosages out about every 4 hours, with a big dose pre workout.
So probably 220mg 3-4 times a day for each.
DennisTheDane
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alfeer
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thinking of going into Androvar... first cycle.
mainly to recomp and loose some waist inches. Would BLRs rebirth work instead of Clomid or Nolva?
one more question, for the OCT, as its not liver toxic do you need that?
with Androvar, from what I could read, users didnt report any nasty sides... any advise here is welcome...
mainly to recomp and loose some waist inches. Would BLRs rebirth work instead of Clomid or Nolva?
one more question, for the OCT, as its not liver toxic do you need that?
with Androvar, from what I could read, users didnt report any nasty sides... any advise here is welcome...
yates84
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You won't really get too many gains out of androvar, I would definitely stack it with 1 andro. Androvar or epiandro is a good "test base" since it turns into dht and it also stimulates the central nervous system.
GreenMachineX
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Yates,
Could epiandro cause an elevation in total testosterone on blood work do you think?
Or, if it did (as in my case), is there a chance there's something different in the caps? Or, is DHT and testosterone so molecularly close to each other that labs have a difficult time separating the 2 or something? I'm still trying to figure out why my total test levels came back at 1200 when using high doses of epiandro.
Could epiandro cause an elevation in total testosterone on blood work do you think?
Or, if it did (as in my case), is there a chance there's something different in the caps? Or, is DHT and testosterone so molecularly close to each other that labs have a difficult time separating the 2 or something? I'm still trying to figure out why my total test levels came back at 1200 when using high doses of epiandro.
yates84
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I don't see how that's possible, epiandro should suppress natural test. Aren't you on trt? There is definitely something else playing a role in your test increase.
GreenMachineX
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Yes, on Androgel, before using epiandro test level was 350 (applying Androgel on clean shaved skin), on epiandro (same dose of Androgel) test level was 1200, after epiandro (still same dose of Androgel), total test was 155 (applying on clean but completely unshaved skin, and I'm a hairy SOB lol). So, there's a couple minor confounding factors, but obviously the biggest difference points to the epiandro.
yates84
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xtyler
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I'm not aware of any crossreaction but anything is possible. That being said, your TRT sucks if it keeps you at 155-350. Find a new doc!
GreenMachineX
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You have definitely got me curious, will look into it and report back
Awesome, thanks.
yates84
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I'm interested in what his next bloodwork says with no epiandro again. Could be the Androgel just hadn't reached full saturation and during the test with the epiandro the Androgel had finally reached full saturation. Too many variables with the info we have. GreenMachineX when do you have more bloods lined up?