Androgel 1.62% Review/Feedback

Thanks, that's great advice. I actually do feel pretty stellar now with my total test at 1205. Any opinions from you (or anyone) on my free test values?

I've basically tripled my total test within about 2 months and the most significant side effect is fat loss :) I've dropped about 8lbs and kept my muscle mass for the most part, and I haven't been changing too much with my diet, which has been a partial intermittent fasting diet a few days a week. I've set a new PR on my decline bench at 415lbs and my strength is still on par or better than it was prior to HRT. My libido fluctuates alot though and has much larger spikes, my endurance is awesome both in/out of the gym, I'm sleeping less, and I definitely have an Alpha male complex, great self-esteem, and just a general better sense of well-being. In 2 months I'm getting another full blood profile to test for PSA and estrogen, though from my last test my SBHG value was pretty low which I believe indicates my estrogen is not spiking. I have not had any sore nips nor bloating similar to what I experienced on my past AndroBulk PH cycles, and I definitely fell a hell of alot healthier than taking those oral PH supplements. I'll probably keep everything in check and drop reduce my Androgel a bit this fall to cycle down to the 700/800s.

I hope this thread we've been documenting with our results helps other folks over 35 in their quest to improve their T levels, safely and responsibly.
 
Thats great results man good on you!! In 23 and just started Testogel! Im gonna starting using phlojel ultra just by seeing ylur results!! Id love to be at those levels as im only about 250, all the best to you and great news!!!
 
svida said:
Thanks, that's great advice. I actually do feel pretty stellar now with my total test at 1205. Any opinions from you (or anyone) on my free test values?

I've basically tripled my total test within about 2 months and the most significant side effect is fat loss :) I've dropped about 8lbs and kept my muscle mass for the most part, and I haven't been changing too much with my diet, which has been a partial intermittent fasting diet a few days a week. I've set a new PR on my decline bench at 415lbs and my strength is still on par or better than it was prior to HRT. My libido fluctuates alot though and has much larger spikes, my endurance is awesome both in/out of the gym, I'm sleeping less, and I definitely have an Alpha male complex, great self-esteem, and just a general better sense of well-being. In 2 months I'm getting another full blood profile to test for PSA and estrogen, though from my last test my SBHG value was pretty low which I believe indicates my estrogen is not spiking. I have not had any sore nips nor bloating similar to what I experienced on my past AndroBulk PH cycles, and I definitely fell a hell of alot healthier than taking those oral PH supplements. I'll probably keep everything in check and drop reduce my Androgel a bit this fall to cycle down to the 700/800s.

I hope this thread we've been documenting with our results helps other folks over 35 in their quest to improve their T levels, safely and responsibly.
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Yeah unfortunately there is a LOT of ignorance and hate for "androgel" or any topical testosterone (esp on this forum). Why the majority are so hostile about it? I am not sure....perhaps they just don't understand the whole concept and what is possible with topical application of test, so they just lash out at it. I've had good results w/o transdermal carriers like phlogel or DMSO....getting to 687 18 hours post application at 8 pumps (really only 6 pumps since a few probably went to DHT conversion). I shudder to think how high it is at 12 pumps per day (what I've been doing) OR 12 pumps plus phlogel lol.....scary. I wish that damn phlogel distributor would get his shipment in so I can get back on the phlogel and get a few weeks in then go get tested. I am super curious to see the crazy # that comes up. Hopefully the "topical people" won't get discouraged by the negative propaganda about androgel that you find in this forum, and instead see that there are guys getting great results (oftentimes BETTER than the injection guys given the right carrier).

But yeah....test really rips the fat off of me like crazy. I'd say I get 80% or more fat loss and 20% or less added muscle mass while on test.....its always burned fat for me never did all that much for me in regards to muscle mass, even when I cycled it when I was younger. But that is fine, there are other things I can take for muscle mass....so long as the test keeps my fat in check, its all good.
 
Yeah, definitely this Androgel is nuking my past stubborn fat that never went away previously! What's crazy is I've even dialed back my cardio to only 5 min for warm up every day and no other steady-state or interval training, and I'm losing fat like freakin' crazy. On the 4th of July I weighed myself and I finally broke the 200 barrier down to 199lbs, and I haven't done that in years and that as on a serious low carb/high protein diet. My general 1.5hr resistance training 5 days/week has been extremely effective with no additional cardio, which I like to maintain my muscle mass. I eat away muscle to quickly with cardio and consider myself more of a hard muscle gainer. BTW...how did you determine that your test levels were dropping where you had to apply more Andrgel in the afternoon/evening? Is that still the case if you apply Phlogel to your morning application? That reminds me, I need to order a 500g tub of that Phlogel to stock up! Maybe later this year I research how to acquire the raw ingredients and make it myself.
 
svida said:
Yeah, definitely this Androgel is nuking my past stubborn fat that never went away previously! What's crazy is I've even dialed back my cardio to only 5 min for warm up every day and no other steady-state or interval training, and I'm losing fat like freakin' crazy. On the 4th of July I weighed myself and I finally broke the 200 barrier down to 199lbs, and I haven't done that in years and that as on a serious low carb/high protein diet. My general 1.5hr resistance training 5 days/week has been extremely effective with no additional cardio, which I like to maintain my muscle mass. I eat away muscle to quickly with cardio and consider myself more of a hard muscle gainer. BTW...how did you determine that your test levels were dropping where you had to apply more Andrgel in the afternoon/evening? Is that still the case if you apply Phlogel to your morning application? That reminds me, I need to order a 500g tub of that Phlogel to stock up! Maybe later this year I research how to acquire the raw ingredients and make it myself.
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Right I don't even do cardio and the fat comes off....I do a lot of walking and up and down at work though. But I am just OCD about half-lives and taking things in split doses. That is the reason to split the androgel dosage, just to keep it steady......plus even the guy at the doctors office who wrote the new script put down 4 pumps twice a day, since its not feasible to apply 8 pumps at once (although you could if you spread it out.....). I used to take dbol every 4 hours lol, 5mg pills I'd take 1 or 2 every 4 hours to equal 40 or 50mg...whatever mg amount I was looking for. And my PH/DS? I split them up as well....even the PP androseries line I used to dose twice a day. But that guy (if you use the US distributor) is still out of phlogel....been almost a week. He promised me a free 100g container for my troubles along with the 500g I ordered. I know of a place (Malaysia) where you can get the kits of liquid and powder and mix it up yourself.....saves you about 300% since you get like 3-4X the final product. But I'm sure there are places that sell it even cheaper than that, just buying the basic raw materials in bulk.....not the kits.
 
Cool! If you could PM me some of that info to create the kits or raw materials, I'd appreciate it!
 
The testosterone gel 1.62% I order from Androrxshop contains around 10% DMSO for transdermal. I've noticed a much better absorption than my prescribed Androgel. Sometimes the site goes down as its hosted by some malaysian host, but they always return my emails, and always get my product. Anyways, good luck with the experimentations guys. I'm interested to hear how things go.
 
I ordered (2) bottles from Androrxshop last month and I did notice it was a different formula with the DMSO. It is a bit more gel-like that the Androgel and it stays on top of the skin a bit longer. So far it has seemed like a great product!
 
svida said:
I ordered (2) bottles from Androrxshop last month and I did notice it was a different formula with the DMSO. It is a bit more gel-like that the Androgel and it stays on top of the skin a bit longer. So far it has seemed like a great product!
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So you guys order w/o prescription? i was under the impression anything testosterone was scheduled and therefore required a prescription??? this place would put topical DHEA Companies out of business if its OTC ordering.
 
Yes, you can order from them w/o a script and the package arrives from an art supply store in Oregon :) Shipping is incredibly quick and the product is very high quality. It's exactly $50/bottle including shipping and I've used 2 bottles with success. I actually think their formula with DMSO mixed in is much stronger than the traditional Androgel 1.62%. I liked it :)
 
svida said:
Yes, you can order from them w/o a script and the package arrives from an art supply store in Oregon :) Shipping is incredibly quick and the product is very high quality. It's exactly $50/bottle including shipping and I've used 2 bottles with success. I actually think their formula with DMSO mixed in is much stronger than the traditional Androgel 1.62%. I liked it :)
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Damn thats crazy. I bet they will go the way of the good RC sites though eventually....you can only get away with these type things for so long anymore (ever since 2004-ish). Now testosterone and clomid are looked at like crack or something by the feds. I wanted to go to an anti-aging clinic or an endo and ask to switch over to testosterone injections.....but paying for it myself while keeping my script for the androgel from my GP (insurance pays for the gel, which is super expensive and I pay for the vial of test which should be relatively cheap). Best of both worlds, I did not know that guys could get androgel (generic) w/o a script to use as an adjunct to testosterone injections....if I were on injections I'd jump on this place and order as much as I could before they disappear :D
 
Has anyone else been stiffed by thefolks at phlojelultra.us ? I have been waiting for two weeks, the customer service phone number has been disconnected and the email address is inactive. Has anyone had any luck receiving Phlojel lately?
 
jflo DE said:
Has anyone else been stiffed by thefolks at phlojelultra.us ? I have been waiting for two weeks, the customer service phone number has been disconnected and the email address is inactive. Has anyone had any luck receiving Phlojel lately?
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Are you serious with this? I was just about to place my second order the Phlojel ultra 500gram bottle. Did the money ever come out of your bank account? Anyone know of any other supplies for this stuff?
 
Relax guys, the Canadian distributor is shipping out the orders that the US distributor has been sitting on. I got mine last friday after a 2 month wait (or around that much time). He has been updating us via email, not sure why you didn't get these emails? I would advise ordering from Canada for now though....since the US shipment is sitting in customs.
 
Thanks on the update Anabolic. I think I actually ordered from the Canada distributor the first time I ordered it and had no problem.
 
ELROCK said:
Thanks on the update Anabolic. I think I actually ordered from the Canada distributor the first time I ordered it and had no problem.
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Yeah order from Canada :D....I have always ordered from the US distributor, just made sense to me. But now with what I know about the US shipment sitting in customs....better to order straight from Canada. I made note of this on another thread, maybe it was in anabolics? Not sure. But if anybody doesn't get their US placed order soon...I'd suggest emailing the Canadian outfit and they should take care of you. From what I have heard they are shipping out all the US orders w/o the need to notify them.....but Vida emailed them himself, and he sent me the email if any of you guys need to email them.
 
The US distributor promised me a free 100g jar for my troubles....the canadian guys never sent me that part of course.
 
I hope you are right. I am just disappointed that they took my money and I can't get anyone to return a phone call or email. That goes for JAR's Canadian phone support as well. I have left them at least three voicemails and never heard a single word from them. I will take your word though and give it a little while longer.
 
jflo DE said:
I hope you are right. I am just disappointed that they took my money and I can't get anyone to return a phone call or email. That goes for JAR's Canadian phone support as well. I have left them at least three voicemails and never heard a single word from them. I will take your word though and give it a little while longer.
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Yeah the guy Travis (the US distributor) has been steady emailing me and the others apprising us of the situation week to week.....maybe the email you used was incorrect? And therefore you did not get these emails? He doesn't respond to questions, at least not to mine, but he is pretty good about emailing us on the status of the orders, and what he is doing to remedy it. They said they were beginning to mail out last week, so I'd give it this week at least. I'll go look for that email that Vida used to get a response from the Canadian guys.....
 
I don't know AnabolicHolic, I tried the email address that you provided, and have kept trying to reach someone at the JAR customer service phone number, and have gotten absolutely 0 RESPONSE from anyone at the US or Canadian locations. I would certainly not fork over a single penny to these people until they at least put a statement on their website. I have been waiting three weeks, and I see some people posting on JAR's facebook page that have been waiting for months. It really bothers me that they cant take 20 seconds to respond when they took my money knowing they didn't have the product to fill the order. I would definitely avoid ordering from these people until they get their act together!
 
svida said:
I ordered (2) bottles from Androrxshop last month and I did notice it was a different formula with the DMSO. It is a bit more gel-like that the Androgel and it stays on top of the skin a bit longer. So far it has seemed like a great product!
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I just finished my 6th week on generic [email protected]% (one pump/day). My testosterone dropped from 262 to 183. I'm also using 50 mg of Formestane and my E2 went from 37 to 6.76. I think that androgel has driven my natural test to nothing and all that is left is whatever androgel provides. I think I'll increase my dosage to three pumps/day or go to shots. I have an appointment with my doc to discuss options.
 
jflo DE said:
I don't know AnabolicHolic, I tried the email address that you provided, and have kept trying to reach someone at the JAR customer service phone number, and have gotten absolutely 0 RESPONSE from anyone at the US or Canadian locations. I would certainly not fork over a single penny to these people until they at least put a statement on their website. I have been waiting three weeks, and I see some people posting on JAR's facebook page that have been waiting for months. It really bothers me that they cant take 20 seconds to respond when they took my money knowing they didn't have the product to fill the order. I would definitely avoid ordering from these people until they get their act together!
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This is the latest email I've gotten from the US distributor, it has the attachment for the fedex letter PDF etc with it if you want to see it. I'll forward to you if you give me an email address.

All,
I wanted to send proof of what has been our issue for the last month and a half. I have told all of you that the FDA has been our problem. They had decided to target my last shipment for "random" inspection and it has been a pain dealing with them. They finally have been satisfied and have released my last shipment. FedEx attempted to deliver it today without notice and none was here to receive it, so it will be delivered tomorrow. Most of you should have received your order from my manufacturer in Canada by now. I have attached the documentation from the FDA and the FedEx delivery sticker showing today's date. Several customers have filed claims with PayPal because they did not believe what I was telling them about the latest shipment. This is why I wanted to provide everyone with proof that my company does everything it can to provide loyal customers with the confidence they look for. If you have not received your order yet, please let me know. Since we now know the BS that the FDA wants, our shipments should not ever be held up again. We will add the labels they are looking for.

Travis

Not sure why you are not A) in the email loop or B) haven't received yet. That is odd.
 
BBB said:
I just finished my 6th week on generic [email protected]% (one pump/day). My testosterone dropped from 262 to 183. I'm also using 50 mg of Formestane and my E2 went from 37 to 6.76. I think that androgel has driven my natural test to nothing and all that is left is whatever androgel provides. I think I'll increase my dosage to three pumps/day or go to shots. I have an appointment with my doc to discuss options.
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This happens at 1-2 pumps, even 3....you either drop your overall test levels, or you get back to square one....you need more pumps (double or triple, probably triple looking at the #'s) in order to get to 6-700's or something respectable. This is why everybody bitches about androgel....they use a couple pumps, say it doesn't work, then go ask for injections....OK thats fine, but don't say "it doesn't work" when you didn't even give it a proper chance at appropriate dosages....not busting your balls, just saying in general this happens all the time.....
 
AnabolicHolic said:
This happens at 1-2 pumps, even 3....you either drop your overall test levels, or you get back to square one....you need more pumps (double or triple, probably triple looking at the #'s) in order to get to 6-700's or something respectable. This is why everybody bitches about androgel....they use a couple pumps, say it doesn't work, then go ask for injections....OK thats fine, but don't say "it doesn't work" when you didn't even give it a proper chance at appropriate dosages....not busting your balls, just saying in general this happens all the time.....
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I agree with this 100% well put AnabolicHolic.
 
ELROCK said:
I agree with this 100% well put AnabolicHolic.
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I think we are brothers or something ;) lol.....sometimes I get pissed off when people want to bash certain things seemingly just for the sake of bashing it. When things get out of hand, and the basis of the argument is too illogical, I have to type up some paragraphs :D
 
AnabolicHolic said:
This happens at 1-2 pumps, even 3....you either drop your overall test levels, or you get back to square one....you need more pumps (double or triple, probably triple looking at the #'s) in order to get to 6-700's or something respectable. This is why everybody bitches about androgel....they use a couple pumps, say it doesn't work, then go ask for injections....OK thats fine, but don't say "it doesn't work" when you didn't even give it a proper chance at appropriate dosages....not busting your balls, just saying in general this happens all the time.....
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I'm not saying it doesn't work but I'm looking at something like eight pumps for a respectable number. That makes Androgel very expensive especially if you don't have perscription inusurance. Although I hate the thought of shots, it may be cheaper.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
This is the latest email I've gotten from the US distributor, it has the attachment for the fedex letter PDF etc with it if you want to see it. I'll forward to you if you give me an email address.

All,
I wanted to send proof of what has been our issue for the last month and a half. I have told all of you that the FDA has been our problem. They had decided to target my last shipment for "random" inspection and it has been a pain dealing with them. They finally have been satisfied and have released my last shipment. FedEx attempted to deliver it today without notice and none was here to receive it, so it will be delivered tomorrow. Most of you should have received your order from my manufacturer in Canada by now. I have attached the documentation from the FDA and the FedEx delivery sticker showing today's date. Several customers have filed claims with PayPal because they did not believe what I was telling them about the latest shipment. This is why I wanted to provide everyone with proof that my company does everything it can to provide loyal customers with the confidence they look for. If you have not received your order yet, please let me know. Since we now know the BS that the FDA wants, our shipments should not ever be held up again. We will add the labels they are looking for.

Travis

Not sure why you are not A) in the email loop or B) haven't received yet. That is odd.
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FWIW - I ordered Phlojel last week and just received my shipping confirmation and tracking number.

YMMV
 
Beau said:
FWIW - I ordered Phlojel last week and just received my shipping confirmation and tracking number.

YMMV
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Did you order from the JAR website or from the US distributor? I still have not received anything from my order on August 12th.
 
jflo DE said:
Did you order from the JAR website or from the US distributor? I still have not received anything from my order on August 12th.
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I ordered from the US distributor last Thursday (or possibly Friday). I received an order confirmation the same day, and a shipping confirmation (w/ tracking number) email last night at approx. 8:30.
 
Beau said:
FWIW - I ordered Phlojel last week and just received my shipping confirmation and tracking number.

YMMV
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Do you need any of the other previous emails? If so let me know, I see you got the most recent one that I forwarded to you. These other guys are waiting for orders from almost 2 months ago....so they may have fell through the cracks? not sure, but it is hard to communicate with the US distributor....the guys in Canada are usually responsive (to other people, I've never contacted them).
 
BBB said:
I'm not saying it doesn't work but I'm looking at something like eight pumps for a respectable number. That makes Androgel very expensive especially if you don't have perscription inusurance. Although I hate the thought of shots, it may be cheaper.
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actually...using your #'s as a basis (which is not scientifically sound or proven lol...its ball park)....183 from one pump = 945 levels from 5 pumps and 732 from 4 pumps (of the stuff you are using, you'd need 7-8 of the 1% or 1.62% probably). So not that bad at all actually, you have to expect to use more than 1-2 pumps with this stuff, its just how it works transdermally. But yes, my insurance covers me for whatever dosage I use....so I am lucky in that regard. I didn't factor that part in since you were using generic stuff, which I assume is ten times cheaper than abbott rx products.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Do you need any of the other previous emails? If so let me know, I see you got the most recent one that I forwarded to you. These other guys are waiting for orders from almost 2 months ago....so they may have fell through the cracks? not sure, but it is hard to communicate with the US distributor....the guys in Canada are usually responsive (to other people, I've never contacted them).
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AH,

Thanks very much. For whatever reason, I just may have been lucky - or the U.S. Distributor may be catching up after the FDA-related delay. In any case, I will update this thread fater I receive the product, which s/b either Friday or Saturday.

And, thank you again for your help.
 
Beau said:
AH,

Thanks very much. For whatever reason, I just may have been lucky - or the U.S. Distributor may be catching up after the FDA-related delay. In any case, I will update this thread fater I receive the product, which s/b either Friday or Saturday.

And, thank you again for your help.
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Yeah I think you popped in at the right time :D immediately after they straightened it all out....the Canadian guys took up the slack for the short term, and the FDA seems to be letting the US distributors shipment loose. You lucky SOB lol.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
actually...using your #'s as a basis (which is not scientifically sound or proven lol...its ball park)....183 from one pump = 945 levels from 5 pumps and 732 from 4 pumps (of the stuff you are using, you'd need 7-8 of the 1% or 1.62% probably). So not that bad at all actually, you have to expect to use more than 1-2 pumps with this stuff, its just how it works transdermally. But yes, my insurance covers me for whatever dosage I use....so I am lucky in that regard. I didn't factor that part in since you were using generic stuff, which I assume is ten times cheaper than abbott rx products.
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183 is from two pumps of 1.62 or 1 pump of 3.24 in my particular instance. I've done some research and shots would be considerably cheaper. There are advantages both ways. I may be forced to go the shot route from a cost perspective.
 
BBB said:
183 is from two pumps of 1.62 or 1 pump of 3.24 in my particular instance. I've done some research and shots would be considerably cheaper. There are advantages both ways. I may be forced to go the shot route from a cost perspective.
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shots are always cheaper :D even at a 1/4 pump of androgel.....the key is getting it covered by your insurance, if not? then you have to use the generic, but even then there is probably no price comparison to the shots.
 
Beau said:
I ordered from the US distributor last Thursday (or possibly Friday). I received an order confirmation the same day, and a shipping confirmation (w/ tracking number) email last night at approx. 8:30.
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I just received my Phlojel delivery.
 
I ordered Phlogel from a US distributor. The bill on my credit card says "Recapture Life". I haven't received my order yet, but it's only been a few days.

I had a doctors appt today. He gave me the green light to play with Androgel dosages until I get my testosterone to a respectable level. He would like to see me at 500 but I would like to go higher of course. I think I will start with four pumps along with Phlogel and see what happens. I will increase the dosages of both as necessary. I think 700-800 would be a respectable number IMO.

P.S. my estrodial was 6.9. Way to low. I will back off of the formestane. This stuff works.
 
BBB said:
I ordered Phlogel from a US distributor. The bill on my credit card says "Recapture Life". I haven't received my order yet, but it's only been a few days.
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FWIW - that is the same company I ordered from, and I believe I received the product 7 or 8 days after I ordered it.

I have been using it a few days now, and I have not noticed a difference - but I did not expect to given the short of amount of time I have been using Phlojel and the short amount of time I have been using Androgel.
 
Beau said:
FWIW - that is the same company I ordered from, and I believe I received the product 7 or 8 days after I ordered it.

I have been using it a few days now, and I have not noticed a difference - but I did not expect to given the short of amount of time I have been using Phlojel and the short amount of time I have been using Androgel.
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Keep us posted. I will be doing blood tests so I will definately know if it is working or not. I have read that just applying a good hand lotion will improve absorption by hydrating the skin. I found this information on PubMed a while back. If Phlogel doesn't work I will go with DSMO, I know it works I just don't like the smell. I hear that they now have orderless DSMO. I probably should have just gone with DSMO in the first place.
 
BBB said:
Keep us posted. I will be doing blood tests so I will definately know if it is working or not. I have read that just applying a good hand lotion will improve absorption by hydrating the skin. I found this information on PubMed a while back. If Phlogel doesn't work I will go with DSMO, I know it works I just don't like the smell. I hear that they now have orderless DSMO.
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I found similar studies; one of them may have been listed in the paperwork accompanying the Androjel.

I will update; please do the same.
 
What forma were you using that crushed your estrogen??(BBB)
 
I'm currently using FormaSurge but I also have Formeron. FormaSurge is kind of runny but seems to be working well. I love formestane and keep a pretty good supply on hand at all times. I look for specials and buy as much as I can afford.

I'm a bit dissapointed in generic androgel. T levels at 183 on two pumps seems really low. My doc says he has seen T levels in the 700's on two pumps of regular androgel.
 
I similarly was around a total t-level of 250 with 2 pumps of Androgel, then 4 pumps brought me up to around 590. Now combining that with phlogel ultra I'm around 1200. I'm not a big fan of applying DMSO to my skin regularly and phlogel seems to be very effective.
 
I don't know if this will help, but I use a body scrubber (looks like a milder version of a kitchen green scrubbing sponge) to lightly abrade the area on which I will be applying the Androgel, thinking this will better prep the area for absorption. I don't rub the area hard enough to make it red, just enough to feel that I have thoroughly cleaned the area. After drying the area, I apply the Androgel, rubbing it in fairly hard until it dries. Then I wait about 3 or 4 minutes, then come back and apply the Phlojel.

Any thoughts?
 
I talked to a lady on the Androgel website. She told me the primary reason DSMO works so well is that it desolves the oils on the skin allowing for better penetration. She also said that applying after a shower will do the same thing. I think there is more to DSMO and Phlogel absorbtion than this but I'm sure that it is a factor. I shower at night but apply Androgel in the morning, so I don't expose my wife. I hope Phlogel will work as well for me as it has for others.
 
Just a quick update - and I believe this is attributable to the Phojel (because it didn't happen before I started using Phlojel) -- I understand it is customary for users to get a rush after taking Androgel -- well I may have noticed a little something before -- but now (for the last several days) I get a massive rush and break out is a sweat.

I have to assume this is increased efficacy caused by the Phlojel.
 
Beau said:
Just a quick update - and I believe this is attributable to the Phojel (because it didn't happen before I started using Phlojel) -- I understand it is customary for users to get a rush after taking Androgel -- well I may have noticed a little something before -- but now (for the last several days) I get a massive rush and break out is a sweat.

I have to assume this is increased efficacy caused by the Phlojel.
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How long after you apply Androgel+Phlogel do you notice this rush? Today I applied about 12 pumps of Androgel+Phlogel just to see how I felt. About two hours later I started to feel like Superman. Unfortunately, I can't afford 12 pumps/day.
 
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