Andro1 and andro4 or trest/epi

Depends on your goals. Assuming you're talking about epistane, I'm on my first cycle of it and I haven't experienced a whole lot in terms of negative sides, and it's well known to be relatively safe in moderate doses.

Trestolone however I would not reccomend whatsoever for a first time user. Get some experience under your belt first.

1andro and 4 andro seem to be very safe options but I feel like comparing the two to epistane is like apples and oranges.

Bulking up I'd go: 1/4/epiandro
Cutting: epistane (that's what I'm running for contest prep)

Also make sure for the love of god you have the correct pct lined up and necessary on cycle supports!
 
Epistane was my first cycle, gained 18.5lbs in 4 weeks, the joints got pretty bad on it as did the back pumps, but overall was very low in side effects...Look into triumphalis as well
 
Could you send me exactly what you took? I'm new to this so I'm trying to figure our everything.
 
Rpn havoc 20/30/30/40 with Organ Shield as cycle support, Sup3r Pct 10/10/10/10 and Nolva 20/20/10/10 for post cycle...Was a pretty basic cycle
 
Do you remember about how much you spent? I have cycle aid but i don't think it's as strong as organ shield.
 
Okay what I'm seeing is the rpn havoc has 90 pills and it's $30-35 and sup3r pct about the same price. I think I can get nolva for $30 also. And I'll also get organ shield
 
Kd5151 said:
Okay what I'm seeing is the rpn havoc has 90 pills and it's $30-35 and sup3r pct about the same price. I think I can get nolva for $30 also. And I'll also get organ shield
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I would look into Lgi Damage Control instead of Organ Shield tbh, I ran Organ Shield because I wasn't as knowledgable...Damage Control has the addition of tudca, which will insure your liver safety while one a simple methylated cycle such as Epistane
 
If you have to worry about affording your cycle then how are you going to afford the amount of food your going to need to build the muscle you want.
 
That's why I have to have a budget for my cycle. I already have a budget for my food and regular supplements
 
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