Andro cycles or trt?

JoePaul39

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I had my test levels measured before my current andro cycle and had a total test reading in the normal range at 406 ng/gl, however my free test range was slightly under normal range at 8.3pg/ml. Normal per lab is between 8.7 to 55. My question is, for someone with those ranges, would I make more muscle gains running two 8 week long andro cycles a year or just going on testosterone replacement therapy? For health reasons I have no interest in doing both. My primary care dr already said they are willing to refer me to an endocrinologist if I wish to pursue test replacement and I have insurance so the cost between running Andros or doing trt is not a factor in making the decision. Obviously if I decide to go on trt I would have to wait a month too after after pct before going to see the dr.
 
Not sure why you’re not interested in doing both. Honestly good luck finding a doc to put you on trt with a 400 test level after coming off andro cycles your normal test levels will most likely remain low after serm use. Have you used andros before? Did you have a proper pct with a serm included? How old are you? A lot of factors to weigh in on here. I don’t think you should consider taking anything that could suppress your hpta further
 
I am 40. This is only my 2nd cycle of andros ever, but my free test was tested before having ever done any andro cycles and was low beforehand. You don’t think having lab levels below normal for free test would qualify me for trt because my total test is in normal range? Sure hope your wrong. If I can’t qualify for trt running andro cycles can’t hurt, after all if it did ended up permanently shutting me down eventually, then I could get the trt for my levels that were already low that u say I can’t get now. It’s either one or the other for me.
 
You got bloods before your first cycle ever and they were at 400 and you had low free test? over the counter aint going to cut it, there's a reason everything is so low. You needed and still probably need, a serm. Im no doctor, but Im pretty sure most just look at your total test as the determining factor for trt. I would be extremely surprised if you ended up getting prescribed.
 
The Express 42 said:
You got bloods before your first cycle ever and they were at 400 and you had low free test? over the counter aint going to cut it, there's a reason everything is so low. You needed and still probably need, a serm. Im no doctor, but Im pretty sure most just look at your total test as the determining factor for trt. I would be extremely surprised if you ended up getting prescribed.
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Yes, the concensus on the forum seems to be 400 total test is too high even if you have low free test to get treatment.
 
yes, so did you get bloodwork done before your first cycle of andros or not. Not the second cycle, how much time was between the first two candor cycles
 
Had blood work before first ever cycle. Did 8 week cycle of 1 andro 330 mg , 4 weeks pct, then took 12 weeks off before next cycle
 
so you're saying that before you touched anything that couldve supressed your test levels that your total test was 400 and free test was 8.3? Im just trying to get this right because if so I am not quite sure why you ever tried to jump on a cycle without getting this corrected.
 
The Express 42 said:
so you're saying that before you touched anything that couldve supressed your test levels that your total test was 400 and free test was 8.3? Im just trying to get this right because if so I am not quite sure why you ever tried to jump on a cycle without getting this corrected.
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Because he's clueless.


You don't go on a cycle with low test. You correct your low test problem or you make it worse. Can you post your before and after bloodwork
 
The Express 42 said:
so you're saying that before you touched anything that couldve supressed your test levels that your total test was 400 and free test was 8.3? Im just trying to get this right because if so I am not quite sure why you ever tried to jump on a cycle without getting this corrected.
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I’m saying I had low free test before ever doing a cycle. I didn’t get it corrected because my primary care physician who ordered the tests, never told me I was a candidate for trt or express concern by contacting me about the results so I assumed I was ok, but now that I have been researching I have my doubts about these readings being in acceptable ranges.
 
Smont said:
You just got done saying you didn't pct. A serm is pct, nothing else is pct
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That is your definition of pct. There is such a thing as over the counter pct and also some on this board that believe a serm isn’t necessary for andros, besides since my levels returned to there previous precycle readings the issue is not even relevant.
 
JoePaul39 said:
That is your definition of pct. There is such a thing as over the counter pct and also some on this board that believe a serm isn’t necessary for andros, besides since my levels returned to there previous precycle readings the issue is not even relevant.
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You deserve whatever goes wrong moron
 
Smont said:
Because he's clueless.


You don't go on a cycle with low test. You correct your low test problem or you make it worse. Can you post your before and after bloodwork
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I’m out of town for work so can’t post blood work right now. I trusted my primary care physician who evidently didn’t feel my test readings were low because total test was about 400 in normal range, but I guess shame on me for trusting my doctor and assuming because he went to medical school there was a small chance he might know a little bit more than me about what constitutes an acceptable range!
 
Sounds like you’re not going to listen anyway but you need a serm. Just because something is slightly off in bloodwork doesn’t mean a doc is just going to throw trt at you. Good luck man
 
The Express 42 said:
Sounds like you’re not going to listen anyway but you need a serm. Just because something is slightly off in bloodwork doesn’t mean a doc is just going to throw trt at you. Good luck man
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Well I may have stumbled into some luck! Last night at the hotel I searched for a couple hours on my phone for doctors near my home. I contacted one and told him my readings and symptoms and he said based on my symptoms borderline low total test, and low free test I would be a candidate. They do injections and only charge 125 a month plus cost of lab fees. I think I should go for it after a couple months after cycle, what do you think? Place is grandview primary care.
 
Last night I contacted them via their website and literally checked my email about a half hour ago and they had responded. They look almost like an anti aging health type clinic. Google them and check out their site. Grandview primary care Columbus Ohio. It describes them as a performance medicine institute. Even lists the cost for the test
 
As long as you understand what you’re getting yourself into with trt. It’s for life 90% of the time. Want to have kids? Hcg twice a week. Will have to dial in your AI dose and keep an eye on hematocrit. I think you need to do a lot more research even before you meet with these people. Your body your choice, also... I would run the andros in combination with your trt. I see no reason to wait, maybe don’t use 4 andro until your get your trt dose dialed in because it can boost test levels. Make an educated decision here and remember you would probably get those numbers way up with 4-6 weeks of Clomid at 25mg a day.
 
Smont said:
What? Last night? It's only been like 45 min. Did I miss somethin or mix up threads?
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So is it a no brainer to go for the trt versus running andro cycles? I know from a safety standpoint it is, but what about from a muscle building perspective? I realize this is probably a stupid question and the answer is probably trt injections, but wanted to know if you guys concur? I have no interest in doing both due to health risks
 
Well first. No Dr. Should ever put some1 on trt without trying to fix there natural test levels first. 2 get running a cycle of anything completely out of your mind till step1 Is resolved or you end up on trt, what ever ends up happening. 3 the dose of test will make the difference in muscle building. I'd stop talking to regular dr.s and go to a endo
 
The Express 42 said:
As long as you understand what you’re getting yourself into with trt. It’s for life 90% of the time. Want to have kids? Hcg twice a week. Will have to dial in your AI dose and keep an eye on hematocrit. I think you need to do a lot more research even before you meet with these people. Your body your choice, also... I would run the andros in combination with your trt. I see no reason to wait, maybe don’t use 4 andro until your get your trt dose dialed in because it can boost test levels. Make an educated decision here and remember you would probably get those numbers way up with 4-6 weeks of Clomid at 25mg a day.
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No don’t plan on having kids. For moral and religiousreasons I choose not to get an illegal serm (yes I know I am lame). Would running 1 andro and epi on trt be high risk if you don’t plan on having an ai unless dr gives one? Also, dr said I would need blood work about every 4 months, couldn’t running andros between blood work sessions mess up the blood work readings?
 
We can all offer advice but only a good endocrinologist should be resolving this for you. And not all of them are good. It takes time to find one that will treat you properly.
 
Smont said:
Research chem, gray area, not illegal, just "Not for human consumption"
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True, but often time with research Chen’s u can’t be sure what your getting. Let me ask you a slightly unrelated question. If I were to go on trt and run a cycle of 1 andro and epi, I know I wouldn’t need pct because of being on trt, but without an ai on hand during cycle would I be at risk for aromitization due to all the excess test from the andros combined with the test from the trr? I could always get sns inhibit e, but don’t know if that would suffice? Or would estrogen not even be of concern because it isn’t 4 andro?
 
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