Andriol Along ECA

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Hey guys, its been a while since i last visited, i was in cyprus last week and got myself 4 bottles of andriol 40mg*60 caps, they were for 22$ each so i didnt wanted to loos the opportunity, any way before i went to cyprus i've done a couple of weeks of ECA and took a break for a week now i wanna do another two cycles of ECA each for two weeks and wanted to prevent my body from loosing muscles by taking andriol.
now my questions are : do you think that andriol is good enough for this job? if yes whats the best dose? is it 240 mg/d or 320mg/d or higher ?


cheers

**I've listed the same thread in wieght loss section but since nobody replyed since three days , i thought it might be in the wrong section thats why i put it here, sorry if you see it before.**
 
Andriol would work perfectly. 240mg should be enough for muscle preservation. I'd also run an AI with it to keep bloat down.
 
Andriol is not very powerful at all. Regular ingested testosterone, as in plain old test powder, has something like 3.5% absorbtion rate. Andriol has a 7% absorbtion rate.

if you take 240mgs a day that 16.8 mgs of actual testosterone absorbed. thats 117.6 mgs a week. Many people question andriol's effective at all even at high doses. Furthermore different people seem to experience different rates of absorbtion.

Of course, there will be SOME prevention of muscle wasting. but from what i understand it will be minimal. Andriol is not a good choice for this purpose. Furthermore i have never heard of anyone experiencing at bloat issues with andriol. Or any other side effects now that i think about it.

Unless youre on HRT, andriol really isnt useful. If i were you i would run 500 mgs a week of a longer testosterone ester with .25mg of A-dex to control estrogen related fat gain and bloat. Or you can simply use prop. Tren and Wintsrol are also your typical cutting/muscle sparing drugs. Primabolan may even help to build muscle while you cut.
 
jomi822 said:
Andriol is not very powerful at all. Regular ingested testosterone, as in plain old test powder, has something like 3.5% absorbtion rate. Andriol has a 7% absorbtion rate.

if you take 240mgs a day that 16.8 mgs of actual testosterone absorbed. thats 117.6 mgs a week. Many people question andriol's effective at all even at high doses. Furthermore different people seem to experience different rates of absorbtion.

Of course, there will be SOME prevention of muscle wasting. but from what i understand it will be minimal. Andriol is not a good choice for this purpose. Furthermore i have never heard of anyone experiencing at bloat issues with andriol. Or any other side effects now that i think about it.

Unless youre on HRT, andriol really isnt useful. If i were you i would run 500 mgs a week of a longer testosterone ester with .25mg of A-dex to control estrogen related fat gain and bloat. Or you can simply use prop. Tren and Wintsrol are also your typical cutting/muscle sparing drugs. Primabolan may even help to build muscle while you cut.
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have you used andriol?

it's one of my favorite substances for short cycles and periods where i want to avoid a great deal of suppression. libido increase is immediate, well-being is almost instant, and gains are mild and steady but begin at day 1, which is a huge plus.

frequent dosing is a PITA, so i dont think it's ideal for longer cycles, but if you just want to go a few weeks, it's great.

320mg will work fine. i would go higher, but i homebrewed and it was super cheap. if they were $.30 apiece i probably wouldnt run 20 a day, but with the active substance @ <$1.50/g in powder form, it isnt a concern.

will it help you keep muscle during a cut? depends on how big a caloric deficit you're on. more than 500 cals under maintenance and you're not gonna retain everything, IME, but everyone is different. andriol isnt all that strong, it's true, but it has its uses.
 
same_old said:
have you used andriol?

it's one of my favorite substances for short cycles and periods where i want to avoid a great deal of suppression. libido increase is immediate, well-being is almost instant, and gains are mild and steady but begin at day 1, which is a huge plus.

frequent dosing is a PITA, so i dont think it's ideal for longer cycles, but if you just want to go a few weeks, it's great.

320mg will work fine. i would go higher, but i homebrewed and it was super cheap. if they were $.30 apiece i probably wouldnt run 20 a day, but with the active substance @ <$1.50/g in powder form, it isnt a concern.

will it help you keep muscle during a cut? depends on how big a caloric deficit you're on. more than 500 cals under maintenance and you're not gonna retain everything, IME, but everyone is different. andriol isnt all that strong, it's true, but it has its uses.
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No i have never used andriol, the cost/effectiveness ratio seems too close for me. Prop is cheap...from $12-15 per 10 ml vial at 100mg/ml. Actually test in cheap in general, and i wouldnt want to be popping andriols all day. the reason i have never used andriol is because there are much more obtainable and more effective things.

If you were doing 20 caps a day thats 56mgs of absorbed test a day, thats 392mgs a week. That is much better than the 116 mgs per week he would be getting out of 240mgs a day. also test is more of a mass builder. there are steroids that work much better for cutting like primo, tren, and winny.

just my .02, i simply wouldnt use just andriol during a cutter, an eca stack is no joke.
 
jomi822 said:
No i have never used andriol, the cost/effectiveness ratio seems too close for me. Prop is cheap...from $12-15 per 10 ml vial at 100mg/ml. Actually test in cheap in general, and i wouldnt want to be popping andriols all day. the reason i have never used andriol is because there are much more obtainable and more effective things.

If you were doing 20 caps a day thats 56mgs of absorbed test a day, thats 392mgs a week. That is much better than the 116 mgs per week he would be getting out of 240mgs a day. also test is more of a mass builder. there are steroids that work much better for cutting like primo, tren, and winny.

just my .02, i simply wouldnt use just andriol during a cutter, an eca stack is no joke.
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Agreed, it's not cost effective, but he already has them and they would work fine for muscle-preservation, not muscle-gain. He should easily be able to get to 2x-3x baseline test levels with his supply, and that is all you really need to sustain LBM with a decent diet.

Big cat bashes andriol in his profile but if you start to read a couple logs you'll see it does works decently. Absorption is not 7%. There have been studies done that show the absorption varies quite dramatically, especially if taken with fatty meals. Taken with a couple spoons of flax oil wouldn't hurt :)
 
thx guys for the vaulable inputs and thoughts,
i know that runing any other form of injectable would be better but as i mentioned above i'm trying to cut down without loosing muscles and without shutting my natural test production (copmeltely).

i think i'll go with 320mgs / d , with the 240 caps i have that would be enough for 30 days .

Cheers
 
jomi822 said:
No i have never used andriol, the cost/effectiveness ratio seems too close for me. Prop is cheap...from $12-15 per 10 ml vial at 100mg/ml. Actually test in cheap in general, and i wouldnt want to be popping andriols all day. the reason i have never used andriol is because there are much more obtainable and more effective things.

If you were doing 20 caps a day thats 56mgs of absorbed test a day, thats 392mgs a week. That is much better than the 116 mgs per week he would be getting out of 240mgs a day. also test is more of a mass builder. there are steroids that work much better for cutting like primo, tren, and winny.

just my .02, i simply wouldnt use just andriol during a cutter, an eca stack is no joke.
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like doom said, absorption is by no means a known thing with andriol. any lymphatic absorption is going to be subject to alot of variables.

personally, i have found all UG prop to sting bad, and the stuff that didnt sting, didnt work! human grade prop is great, but usually costs $2-$3 for 50mg making it pricey too. (i still end cycles with HG prop, but only 2 weeks or so)...and i am not sensitive to most test, even sustanon is painless for me, but UG prop is rough, which leaves me with few options for short cycle testosterone. andriol is a natural choice, and is less bloaty, IME, than 4-ad. test base TD is also a good choice.

also, some people cant do primo, tren or winny because of MPB concerns.

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