Anavar or Turinabol for strength

[Palash]

What is better? Only strength.
Which doses?
Or both?

Both 8 scores here.

Here 4 vs 2 - var is better.

 

[Renew1]

When I read the Title, I thought it was a question, but I guess it was more of a statement.

I still haven't taken Tbol yet, but Anavar makes me VERY strong.

I choose to keep my workout (gear) life separate from other parts. But the last time that anyone (outside of my gym buds) mentioned my size and muscular development, I was on Anavar.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Var a bit better, IMHO.
Both are often faked -or underdosed. Generally both are taken in excess of 40mg.
My last Var cycle was 60mg/d, last T-bol cycle 80mg/d. Var kicks in faster.

 

[AnabolicGuru]

I can’t compare it to anavar, but turinabol for me was actually pretty good for strength, especially considering that I ran it at only 40mg and had no sides

 

[YoungThor]

I thought tbol would be superior in every way. That’s why it was used so heavily in the Eastern Bloc for basically all Olympic sports. Now winstrol is often mandated for Russian athletes. So why aren’t they taking anavar if it gives better strength?

 

[Palash]

I thought tbol would be superior in every way. That’s why it was used so heavily in the Eastern Bloc for basically all Olympic sports. Now winstrol is often mandated for Russian athletes. So why aren’t they taking anavar if it gives better strength?

Var - very expensive and very soft. Stanozolol - much cheaper, but for joints do it very dry effect.
T-Bol - also popular.
We do not know what was actually given to an athletes of the GDR.

 

[YoungThor]

Var - very expensive and very soft. Stanozolol - much cheaper, but for joints do it very dry effect.
T-Bol - also popular.
We do not know what was actually given to an athletes of the GDR.

I’m pretty sure there’s endless documented information that they were giving their athletes tbol. It was invented in East Germany as well.

 

[hairygrandpa]

I thought tbol would be superior in every way. That’s why it was used so heavily in the Eastern Bloc for basically all Olympic sports. Now winstrol is often mandated for Russian athletes. So why aren’t they taking anavar if it gives better strength?

Maybe strength is not the main reason.

 

[YoungThor]

Maybe strength is not the main reason.

True. Could be better in other ways.

 

[RickyBlobby]

I did 11 weeks on strong SARMs and now only 6 days on var I feel significantly stronger than I ever did on the SARMs. And I haven’t even started creatine. My vote goes to Var + creatine for extreme strength increases

 

[Palash]

I did 11 weeks on strong SARMs and now only 6 days on var I feel significantly stronger than I ever did on the SARMs. And I haven’t even started creatine. My vote goes to Var + creatine for extreme strength increases

List your`s SARMs please. And doses.

 

[lcking187]

Well var + creatine hcl is a great combo for strength. every time you go to the gym you will be stronger than the time before. For me though, the lethargy is killer.

IME tbol has less sides so I feel better so I perfer that. The strength gains may be slightly less, but for the entire cycle I will feel MUCH better.

Tbol seems to put a pep in my step almost like test does.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Var - very expensive and very soft. Stanozolol - much cheaper, but for joints do it very dry effect.
T-Bol - also popular.
We do not know what was actually given to an athletes of the GDR.

Yes we do. I'm from ex-GDR, father a doctor and a lot of friends were Olympic athletes. It was exclusively T-bol.

 

[hairygrandpa]

There are some interesting facts about sport in the GDR I might share:

All kids at age 10 were evaluated by specialists. It was determined for what kind of sport they might be gifted after a quick evaluation of height, weight and body symmetry, here it was also determined if they are maybe unfit for military duty later on, due to any orthopedic issues.
After that we were enlisted in "Arbeitsgemeinschaften" -or "Work groups", it was not mandatory -but suggested. Some were held in schools after the study, like Gymnastics, Judo or ball sports (I was selected for Judo). Others were outside facilities for rowing and water sports. With about 14 years of age, the best were re-evaluated by muscle biopsies, to see if they had the genetic potential to be a champion.

Here a supplement they gave athletes -or encouraged us to buy it :

 

[Alchemist11]

I thought tbol would be superior in every way. That’s why it was used so heavily in the Eastern Bloc for basically all Olympic sports. Now winstrol is often mandated for Russian athletes. So why aren’t they taking anavar if it gives better strength?

Well actually, Russians are using mixture of Primo, Tren and Anavar, acording to latest tests and busts... Their Dr who created it confessed that

 

[YoungThor]

Well actually, Russians are using mixture of Primo, Tren and Anavar, acording to latest tests and busts... Their Dr who created it confessed that

Have you seen “Icarus?” That dude was in charge of Russian doping and he said stanozolol was top dog in Russia.

 

[YoungThor]

There are some interesting facts about sport in the GDR I might share:

All kids at age 10 were evaluated by specialists. It was determined for what kind of sport they might be gifted after a quick evaluation of height, weight and body symmetry, here it was also determined if they are maybe unfit for military duty later on, due to any orthopedic issues.
After that we were enlisted in "Arbeitsgemeinschaften" -or "Work groups", it was not mandatory -but suggested. Some were held in schools after the study, like Gymnastics, Judo or ball sports (I was selected for Judo). Others were outside facilities for rowing and water sports. With about 14 years of age, the best were re-evaluated by muscle biopsies, to see if they had the genetic potential to be a champion.

Here a supplement they gave athletes -or encouraged us to buy it :

Awesome post. This is very educational. I wish I could read German but this is primarily vitamins, right? I know I’ve heard tbol was offered to top athletes as young as about 14 in Eastern Germany.

When I read your a German living in South America I immediately assumed your the ancestor of Nazi’s but I guess you landed there way later considering you have roots in GDR. Sorry for presuming your a Nazi haha. I hope I don’t have to make that apology again on AM.

 

[Renew1]

Awesome post. This is very educational. I wish I could read German but this is primarily vitamins, right? I know I’ve heard tbol was offered to top athletes as young as about 14 in Eastern Germany.

When I read your a German living in South America I immediately assumed your the ancestor of Nazi’s but I guess you landed there way later considering you have roots in GDR. Sorry for presuming your a Nazi haha. I hope I don’t have to make that apology again on AM.

You can read the second grouping down on the back of the box.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Awesome post. This is very educational. I wish I could read German but this is primarily vitamins, right? I know I’ve heard tbol was offered to top athletes as young as about 14 in Eastern Germany.

When I read your a German living in South America I immediately assumed your the ancestor of Nazi’s but I guess you landed there way later considering you have roots in GDR. Sorry for presuming your a Nazi haha. I hope I don’t have to make that apology again on AM.

I highly doubt that they gave T-bol to 14 yo. The information floating around about GDR is severely twisted and over hyped. On the other hand, I know that women had to deal with virilization sides, especially shot putters.

I got those pics from the net. They are not from the original GDR product. It may not be the original formula either, as the product survived the fall of the wall and is still produced but may have changed. You can see by the ingredients: "Teltomalz GMBH". That is a capitalist corporation, hence new. It was a blend from maltose, vitamins and healthy fats with protein and carbs. Very popular in the late 70's to 80's.
As far as I know, T-bol dosages were around 25-35mg/d for 2 month, with 2 cycles per year. No PCT or "test base". It was for overall performance boost -and not for hypertrophy or strength. Often given right before events.

 

[hairygrandpa]

You can read the second grouping down on the back of the box.

The first and second grouping should be obvious and readable even in English, the third reads: Maltose extract, whole milk powder, coconut fat, dextrose, lecithin, aroma (esters?), lactic acid, complex vitamins, calcium. The 4th is an exclamation that it was made under certain rules and laws, no doping compounds in it.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Awesome post. This is very educational. I wish I could read German but this is primarily vitamins, right? I know I’ve heard tbol was offered to top athletes as young as about 14 in Eastern Germany.

When I read your a German living in South America I immediately assumed your the ancestor of Nazi’s but I guess you landed there way later considering you have roots in GDR. Sorry for presuming your a Nazi haha. I hope I don’t have to make that apology again on AM.

I'm not THAT old, lol! The notion that all the bad nazis went to south america is "partly" false. Important nazis went to US and were protected by operation "paperclip". Here we have more German Jews, who fled Germany after the Pogroms, than war criminals.
I was a political dissident to the GDR regime, also politic prisoner and deserted the army to freedom a year before the fall of the wall.

 

[rtmilburn]

Well var + creatine hcl is a great combo for strength. every time you go to the gym you will be stronger than the time before. For me though, the lethargy is killer.

IME tbol has less sides so I feel better so I perfer that. The strength gains may be slightly less, but for the entire cycle I will feel MUCH better.

Tbol seems to put a pep in my step almost like test does.

If you get sides from var it's not legit. Only side is lethargy around dosing that goes away within a hours or so

 

[DemntedCowboy]

I'm not THAT old, lol! The notion that all the bad nazis went to south america is "partly" false. Important nazis went to US and were protected by operation "paperclip". Here we have more German Jews, who fled Germany after the Pogroms, than war criminals.
I was a political dissident to the GDR regime, also politic prisoner and deserted the army to freedom a year before the fall of the wall.

Like all Germans that you talk too....They where on Vacation from Sept 1, 1939 to Sept 2, 1945. Just ask anyone in Germany or right around Dachau Concentration Camp

 

[hairygrandpa]

Just for info:
I saw a short documentary about the same prison I was held as a politic prisoner. I was never cooperative. In the documentary they talked about the horrors of torture, like steel pins into testicles.... That NEVER happened! I would have known, I was as stubborn as it gets and they were really pissed with me.
They used psychological "games" like sleep deprivation and possibly tea laced with drugs to get me cooperative. Never drank the damn tea, lol.
Also, I never saw another inmate and was in isolation at all times. Besides not having a lot distraction, other than communist literature (could be considered torture, lol) it was not Guantanamo!

 

[hairygrandpa]

Like all Germans that you talk too....They where on Vacation from Sept 1, 1939 to Sept 2, 1945. Just ask anyone in Germany or right around Dachau Concentration Camp

Most were on vacations in Russia. LOL

 

[rtmilburn]

Just for info:
I saw a short documentary about the same prison I was held as a politic prisoner. I was never cooperative. In the documentary they talked about the horrors of torture, like steel pins into testicles.... That NEVER happened! I would have known, I was as stubborn as it gets and they were really pissed with me.
They used psychological "games" like sleep deprivation and possibly tea laced with drugs to get me cooperative. Never drank the damn tea, lol.
Also, I never saw another inmate and was in isolation at all times. Besides not having a lot distraction, other than communist literature (could be considered torture, lol) it was not Guantanamo!

Hahahahahahahaha this does not surprise me at all. Haha what were you in for. Not being commy?

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Just for info:
I saw a short documentary about the same prison I was held as a politic prisoner. I was never cooperative. In the documentary they talked about the horrors of torture, like steel pins into testicles.... That NEVER happened! I would have known, I was as stubborn as it gets and they were really pissed with me.
They used psychological "games" like sleep deprivation and possibly tea laced with drugs to get me cooperative. Never drank the damn tea, lol.
Also, I never saw another inmate and was in isolation at all times. Besides not having a lot distraction, other than communist literature (could be considered torture, lol) it was not Guantanamo!

What was the documentary I would love to see that. And I only say that cause I had a friend who's dad is a top engineer in Germany today. And his mom works for one of the top toy companies and his dad was part of the Hitler youth....But, they were on "Vacation". Lol

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Most were on vacations in Russia. LOL

Hoffe, du bist nicht beleidigt. Ich habe nur versucht, lustig zu sein. Ursache dessen, was sie sagten.

 

[rtmilburn]

Hoffe, du bist nicht beleidigt. Ich habe nur versucht, lustig zu sein. Ursache dessen, was sie sagten.

nicht eine Muschi sein, keine Notwendigkeit zu übersetzen, das ist hairygrandpa wir reden

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Hahahahahahahaha this does not surprise me at all. Haha what were you in for. Not being commy?

Pretty much this....It really sucked for them back then after the war.

 

[rtmilburn]

nicht eine Muschi sein, keine Notwendigkeit zu übersetzen, das ist hairygrandpa wir reden

Fuk I messed up the word apologize with translate.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

nicht eine Muschi sein, keine Notwendigkeit zu übersetzen, das ist hairygrandpa wir reden

Hahahaha. I was just being polite, and since I lived in Bavaria for 3 years. Every once in a blue moon I shoot him a message in German

 

[hairygrandpa]

Hahahahahahahaha this does not surprise me at all. Haha what were you in for. Not being commy?

I tried to escape on vacations from Bulgaria to Greece with my girlfriend and got caught in Bulgaria but thought I could talk my way out of it. Long story...
Afterwards I went to the army. The secret service (Stasi) locked me up as a "Enemy of the state" for: "Planing an escape with a weapon." As they already knew I had tried before. 15 years was what I got....unless I worked for THEM. Go figure what I chose.

What was the documentary I would love to see that. And I only say that cause I had a friend who's dad is a top engineer in Germany today. And his mom works for one of the top toy companies and his dad was part of the Hitler youth....But, they were on "Vacation". Lol

Just looked for it, too many vids. Found a short vid without sound, just showing where I went:
[video=youtube;XfH4SnqcAgw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfH4SnqcAgw[/video]

 

[rtmilburn]

Hahahaha. I was just being polite, and since I lived in Bavaria for 3 years. Every once in a blue moon I shoot him a message in German

I was meaning it's always all good to make fun of him. No problem with German. I speach a TINY bit. As you can tell I ****ed up my message.

 

[rtmilburn]

I was meaning it's always all good to make fun of him. No problem with German. I speach a TINY bit. As you can tell I ****ed up my message.

Damn I can't even English.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

I tried to escape on vacations from Bulgaria to Greece with my girlfriend and got caught in Bulgaria but thought I could talk my way out of it. Long story...
Afterwards I went to the army. The secret service (Stasi) locked me up as a "Enemy of the state" for: "Planing an escape with a weapon." As they already knew I had tried before. 15 years was what I got....unless I worked for THEM. Go figure what I chose.


Just looked for it, too many vids. Found a short vid without sound, just showing where I went:
[video=youtube;XfH4SnqcAgw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfH4SnqcAgw[/video]

Looks like a normal state Penitentiary here in the states

 

[hairygrandpa]

Looks like a normal state Penitentiary here in the states

Exactly. There was no fire extinguisher at my time. I would have noticed and memorized in case I needed a weapon.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Looks like a normal state Penitentiary here in the states

Still sucks though...Glad you escaped cause I know it wasnt like an American State Pen where they get steak and Lobster. Lol

 

[hairygrandpa]

Still sucks though...Glad you escaped cause I know it wasnt like an American State Pen where they get steak and Lobster. Lol

LOL. Food was not that bad. Room service sucked though. The worst thing was the electric shaver they gave you every morning. It had the hair from my cell neighbor in it and was totally blunt, ripping my beard out badly, while making "air plane engine failure" noises.

 

[DemntedCowboy]

LOL. Food was not that bad. Room service sucked though. The worst thing was the electric shaver they gave you every morning. It had the hair from my cell neighbor in it and was totally blunt, ripping my beard out badly, while making "air plane engine failure" noises.

Lol

 

[DemntedCowboy]

LOL. Food was not that bad. Room service sucked though. The worst thing was the electric shaver they gave you every morning. It had the hair from my cell neighbor in it and was totally blunt, ripping my beard out badly, while making "air plane engine failure" noises.

Must have not been a Bavarian Motor Vehicle engine. Lol

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Since I was poor in Bavaria I bought a BMW off a farmer. Wish I could have brought it back, but didnt have enough time after I got hurt. If I was rich like the rest of Bavaria I would have driven a Ford

 

[hairygrandpa]

nicht eine Muschi sein, keine Notwendigkeit zu übersetzen, das ist hairygrandpa wir reden

Muschi, LOL. What a d1ck you are rtmilburn . LMAO!

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Muschi, LOL. What a d1ck you are rtmilburn . LMAO!

D1ck or Schwanzlutscher

 

[hairygrandpa]

Essentially, German and English swearwords are identical and translate really well, lol!

 

[DemntedCowboy]

Essentially, German and English swearwords are identical and translate really well, lol!

Yeah but in German I dont have to abbreviate or switch letters. Lol

 

[Alchemist11]

Have you seen “Icarus?” That dude was in charge of Russian doping and he said stanozolol was top dog in Russia.

Yes, but that was in his time, when he was young athlete

 

[Palash]

Gentlemens, you do not mind us from the question of who here is a hereditary Nazi - let's return to the question of var and tbol.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Gentlemens, you do not mind us from the question of who here is a hereditary Nazi - let's return to the question of var and tbol.

Var.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Palash , before buying var or t-bol. Test a sample with "roidtest".

Buy it here:
https://www.amazon.com/Oral-Turinabol-Test-Refill-ROIDTEST/dp/B01BKKFLKW/ref=sr_1_14_a_it?ie=UTF8&q****1530950884&sr=8-14&keywords=roidtest

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