Afi140
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Good stuff. Enjoy hearing feedback either way
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Good stuff. Enjoy hearing feedback either way
Greato
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Taken today, about an hour prior to working out and nothing. Yesterday, I know that I could feel it. I'm not 100% sure, why this occurred. I took it yesterday before I ate anything at all and today, about 2 hours after I ate. Taken prior to food intake, I could feel it and it was more difficult to wait to eat. Taken after food, NOTHING.
GQdaLEGEND
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Lol
Sorry hasn't worked out .. I would never spend that much on such product .. but guess it was a nice experiment for u .. where are u from ?
Greato
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Yeah, I'm just eager for a quick transformation. I regret it, because even if it does work, I would need to take it for a length of time, before I could see any increases in strength. I'm from The Poconos, in PA.
Greato
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I'm not sure about placebo. The empty stomach might have been key. Maybe good during intermittent fasting period. I could feel it, almost like a euphoric feeling...really.
The_Old_Guy
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So is the entire planet - it ain't happening, sit back and enjoy the long ride.
Greato
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I'm willing to put in the hard work, just don't mind cheating to get there faster.
Greato
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Lol...to many variables, such as: price, duration of time to show results, and feeling it on an empty stomach, but not when full of pre workout carbs. The canister is almost full, sitting in my gym bag. I'm an impatient bastard. Maybe best for someone who works out on a caloric deficit, with mucho money in the bank. If I'm going to possibly play with my health, I want to see descent results, fast.
Joe12
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I have run a lot of natty products, and never seen "immediate" results from any of them (including FD2). Around the third week I normally begin seeing things, but that's the soonest.
corsaking
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bit of an exaggeration dont you think?
Greato
New member
I hear that. My biggest issue is that, if it is going to take around a month to kick in, I want 8 to 10 weeks of product in my bottle. I would gladly spend 60-100 dollars on a supplement that will provide me with an amount of product, that will lead me to notable results. I'm not asking to become the Hulk for that price, but show me SOMETHING.
What has been your best experience with a natty supplement, for growth?
Greato
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Maybe I'm an impatient, bratty dude.
GQdaLEGEND
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There are products that kick in a day or 2 .. you can feel "pumps, vascularity, sleep, mood..etc" pretty quickly once you know which ingrident work for you
Only way to know is stop messing with these prop blend .. once you find out which ingrident .. then go and spend 50-100$ bucks on a bottle lol
Only way to know is stop messing with these prop blend .. once you find out which ingrident .. then go and spend 50-100$ bucks on a bottle lol
Greato
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That's what I need: pumps, vascularity, positive mood alteration, etc.. Any ingredients in particular that you'd like to mention? I use Citrulline Malate and Ashwaganda, which both work rather quickly...I love that!
GQdaLEGEND
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Yup cit malate is awesome, another good cheap ingrident is Agmatine def throw that in from 750mg-1g
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^ good thread more then just pumps benefits .. I love this stuff.
Ricky10
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I can testify for the first day affect! The first time I ever tried an (-)epi based product was Magnitropin. The first day I popped a few of those PWO, I could not believe the affects. I was literally lifting more weight, with higher endurance, and less stiffness than I had experienced from prior use of prohormones. I felt like I had discovered a magic bottle of pills...kind of still do think that. Subsequent use of other (-)epi products, including FD2 has also been impressive. I think I may be one of the lucky ones that responds extremely well to (-)epi. I am currently enjoying it in the form of MassMax XT, which has a very different feel to it and has had the largest impact on increasing my appetite than any other product I have used.
Ricky10
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Yes...I have always dosed my (-)epi products on an empty stomach as it seems to greatly impact absorption...regardless of absorption enhancers. MassMax XT is somewhat different though...as the other ingredients in that seem to work better when taken with food. Sometimes I take it with food and sometimes I don't...still kind of playing around with that..
bigsmall
Banned
FD2 typically (check 100's of forum posts on the subject) kicks in by day 3 - you have all day pumps and increased strength. It gets better by week 2-3 and is simply amazing after 5-6 months.
bigsmall
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Sorry to hear your experience was not typical - most report all day pump and increased strength in the first few days
. It does get better after 2-3 weeks and simply amazing after 5-6 months. I am not making this up - its in the 100's of forum posts on the subject. Possibly you were on a calorie deficit when running it?
APC80
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Have to try that I love citrulline malate as well. I used to make my own pre workout of cit mal, arganine, taurine, beta alanine and betaine and the pump was incredible but it was so minging I detested drinking it then I found a pwo powder with them in it and it tastes a whole lot better lol
Joe12
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I would say I am the norm based upon reading hundred of threads and talking to people, in addition to multiple research reports that highlight it takes time for body saturation, and for the effects to kick in. I think those that report immediate results from a natty products are more then likely experiencing a placebo effect. No offence, but the companies selling the products wont even claim result in a couple days.
Obviously I am talking very wide here and not about specific compounds, so there can be natty products that kick in right away. However, they will never "blow you up" or provide immediate mirror results. Now if we were talking andros and SARMS, I would say a couple weeks and you can get those mirror results.
I just think majority of people that take natty sups know they are taking something so they train harder, and eat better... then contribute the result to the product. When in reality, if they were to do the same (especially with diet) they would see body change either way. Don't get me wrong, im not hatting on natty stacks... Im on antabeta and alphamax right now.
khall1974
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I completely agree with this statement. You take a supplement and your training intensity increases and your diet gets on point to get the most out of the run. O am currently taking kingsblood and massmax xt and have hit pr's in all lifts. Is it due to the supplement or me eating and training like a mad man.
corsaking
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theres a lot of truth in what youve said .i think users of products should be more cautious about what they say and if the product is no good say so ,I dont seem to read enough from users about duff products .Heard the phrase "name and shame " well perhaps its time .
APC80
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I'd say instead of buying natty anabolics people's money would be better spent on a short ostarine run, IME it's very mild on sides(I had absolutely none and felt great throughout my run) and will get you past a plateau which is what most are looking when they take things like FD2. Don't expect to turn into Arnold but it will put a bit of muscle on you and is cheaper than most of this overpriced snake oil.
jameschoi
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What dosage did you run for osta and how many weeks.
APC80
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Think it was 20 mg for a couple of days then upped it to 30 for the rest of the 3 weeks. Only used it to kickstart my epistane cycle mainly to see how I reacted to it as I plan to use it for cutting in the summer. Using it to bulk I gained 2-2.5 lbs all lean muscle. Pumps were insane, best I've ever had. Honestly I can't wait to use it for cutting I think it'll be a really good muscle preserver, might even gain a lb or two of lean mass witthsome luck. I'm sure the fact I felt so good in the gym helped my gains as well I was tearing it up in there endurance was crazy. You can run it 6 weeks with only an otc pct as well. Maybe I just reacted well to it but I preferred it over epi by a long shot and my diet is spot on which helps a lot as well, it's not magic but if you've diet and training nailed down it'll give you decent gains.
jameschoi
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what was your otc pct, pm me the brand.
APC80
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That's the million dollar question mate, probably never find the answer to that one. That's why I'm cautious about recommending stuff that worked for me as there's too many variables, like diet or you're attitude in the gym at the time. Maybe I was just in good form and training harder who ****in knows?
APC80
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I didn't pct I went straight into the epi cycle. On liquid nolva and rebirth atm think you already know where I got them from. Sup3r pct seems to be the most touted otc pct round here for mild cycles
Ricky10
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Completely depends on what somebody is taking and how that individual responds to a particular product. The current ABE is an interesting example..does absolutely nothing for me. On the other hand, many of the (-)epi products are remarkable from the first day.
As far as placebo goes...I got really excited to try a few hyped up natural anabolics and would end up leaving the gym due to feeling a complete loss of strength and energy. Would this be a reverse placebo?
In regards to nutrition, that should be in check if you are using a natural anabolic, SARM, prohormone etc. So this should be an irrelevant factor as well. I think most people on here are wise enough to recognize a placebo affect while also being aware of their dietary changes to be able to accurately assess the benefits of using any supplement/PED.
Just my two cents anyway..:biggthumpup:
APC80
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That's S4, some people reported visual disturbances but it's only while you're taking it apparently. Still, I wouldn't bother with that stuff after hearing that
Joe12
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As I mentioned, "Obviously I am talking very wide here and not about specific compounds"
Your reverse placebo is funny, I've done something similar. Took hyped up natty natural anabolic, got all pumped up and lifted like crazy... only to leave all beat up, lol. IDK about diet being irrelevant, even on this site I have read the most dedicated people having struggle in that are. Even if you take "the best" stuff out there, or pin, diet will dictate how much you put on, lose, fat etc. Also, for every guy on AM with years of wisdom, there another that doesn't have a clue between real effects and placebo.
cheftepesh1
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I agree here that diet has a good amount of relevance. Without proper diet you never going to achieve the goals you set for yourself.
Ricky10
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Yeah...not sure if my message regarding diet came through the right way. I was basically saying what you just said. Diet will ultimately determine how successful you are in obtaining your goals when taking any product. Given that, it becomes irrelevant when trying to compare natty products to the heavy stuff. I can tell you one thing...if you are ever looking to increase your appetite..pick up some MassMax XT!
Joe12
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Got ya!. Good to know about MasMaxXT, Im running AlphaMaxXT for the second time. Same results both times, it tightens me up, and thins me out (and this is more then food control). My only guess is its the f95 or the estrogen blocker that has the thinning affect on me. I am temped to snag a bottle of f95 and run it solo, just to see what it does.... but heck, AlphMaxXT seems to work, and the stuff is relatively cheap (compared to other products test boosters), and well rounded... aka more then a test booster.
Joe12
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Yup, can't out train a bad diet, and you cant out drug on either, lol.
Ricky10
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I have tried F95 as a standalone...nothing to write home about. I might get a slight increase in libido that just fades away shorty after..
Well, after I do something else too..