Anabolic Pump during post cycle therapy - ANY concerns?

[djremix]

Ill be starting my post cycle therapy thursday.

any concerns or considerations about running Anabolic Pump during?

my main aim is to be able to east a little bit higher than maintanance for the duration of 4 weeks then, if all is well, to start a nice cut and continue the DCP use thoughout.

full details on my cycle and post cycle therapy at
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Thanks!

 

[precious_roy]

Someone else might be able to weigh in more than I, but I believe that an AI will interfere with the effects of AP. You could still use AP in PCT but I think that you'd have to replace the AI with a SERM.

Not sure about DHEA but that might also interfere.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

Someone else might be able to weigh in more than I, but I believe that an AI will interfere with the effects of AP. You could still use AP in post cycle therapy but I think that you'd have to replace the AI with a SERM.

Not sure about DHEA but that might also interfere.

I've heard about AI, but I don't think DHEA will interfere at all. I've actually done both and have not experienced diminished effects of AP.

 

[thesinner]

Someone else might be able to weigh in more than I, but I believe that an AI will interfere with the effects of AP. You could still use AP in post cycle therapy but I think that you'd have to replace the AI with a SERM.

Not sure about DHEA but that might also interfere.

IMO PCT needs to be done with a SERM.

 

[djremix]

IMO post cycle therapy needs to be done with a SERM.

I think it comes down to the individual. ive done it both ways and i prefer an AI to a serm if im only using one compound.

with this cycle Im combining both in a new way. if it works well and i have less clomid sides ill use this for the future.

never really saw any benefit of nolva over clomid though. Nad my liver values came back higher from Nolva use.

 

[Guest]

I looked at the rearch and AP is just to effective for a AI to significantly change anything with GLUT4 metabolism.

In reality if an AI effects GLUT4 you should stack Anabolic Pump with every AI or serm!

 

[CHAPS]

I'll be usin it in my PCT coming up in 6 weeks and i'll post my results. I don't think it will be a problem stacking the ai with AP though, i say go for it.

 

[Ziricote]

Just on the AI vs. SERM topic, what's the point in using an AI if you have no significant natural production going into post cycle therapy? AI for on cycle, SERM for PCT.

AP aside, what I've read suggests AI's can effect GLUT4 in muscle (Fact) but I'm unsure if that will in-turn mean AI's suppress AP's GLUT4 action. I think unless you're taking a strong AI there is not a whole lot to worry about.

 

[precious_roy]

I looked at the rearch and AP is just to effective for a AI to significantly change anything with GLUT4 metabolism.

In reality if an AI effects GLUT4 you should stack Anabolic Pump with every AI or serm!

Thats great to hear!

So you could run AP with a NHA stack eh? I've always had great results running NHA but I wasn't sure if you could use AP with it. That makes me happy.
:dance:

 

[thesinner]

Just on the AI vs. SERM topic, what's the point in using an AI if you have no significant natural production going into post cycle therapy? AI for on cycle, SERM for post cycle therapy.

Exactly. AI's prevent EXCESS testosterone from converting into estrogen. I don't think I can stress the word excess enough. If you've been on a cycle long enough any HPTA shutdown, it's the large amounts of circulating estrogen you need to worry about, not the trivial amounts of test converting to it.

 

[djremix]

Exactly. AI's prevent EXCESS testosterone from converting into estrogen. I don't think I can stress the word excess enough. If you've been on a cycle long enough any HPTA shutdown, it's the large amounts of circulating estrogen you need to worry about, not the trivial amounts of test converting to it.

As i understand it from various sources.
starting an increasing taper of an AI will hopefully protect you from an estrogen rebound as production of test restarts.
and i think the body can sythesize estrogen from other sources?

serm's help aswell by basically tricking the hpta into thinking that estrogen is low. thereby helping restart test production aswell.

both working together should give more of an effect hopefully for test production restart.

as you can see from my old cycle and results. the end results after post cycle therapy were phenominal.(with NHA stack)

with the above im just trying to perfect what i already know works, while trying to minimise nolva use and clomid sides.

thanks for everyone who replied though, i really enjoyed your comments. :hammer:

 

[bpmartyr]

I am in the "no AI in PCT" camp as is the much respected Dr.John.

Using an AI during post cycle therapy, as many advocate, lowers E too much, thereby extending the time of Lipid Profile damage, endothelial dysfunction, and lowered estrogen in neurological tissues (dangerous to cognitive function--permanently). IMPO, estrogen antagonism should be the first line therapy.

Mark my words: time will prove estrogen antagonism is a terrible way to treat testosterone deficiency.

We NEED the actions of estrogens in our bodies. I am particularly concerned about the brain.

When asked about symptoms of low estrogen:

Impeded cognitive function, lowered sex drive, broken down bones, increased cardiovascular damage. Lord only knows what else.

 

[djremix]

I am in the "no AI in post cycle therapy" camp as is the much respected Dr.John.

When asked about symptoms of low estrogen:

Thank you for your responce and concern. much appreciated.
I do agree with the theories and arguments against AI's but i also think this, as many things can be down to the individual and how you use the AI.

from my old 2006 cycle blood tests(after pct with RR)
"Estrogen : (17-beta estradiol (e2) serum level : (only estrogen test they had, first time i do it.)
249.85 (normal range for males is upto 289)
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so estrogen suppresion was barely evident, yet notice the below results.

as you can see, everything including my lipids were improved. and in the case of test production:

"** over 100% increase in total test from normal : 3.4 to 7.3!
(and 20,000% increase from last day of cycle.... 0.35 to 7.3)
** over 80% increase in free test from normal : 10.4 to 18.1
(and 170% increase from last day of cycle.... 3.1 to 18.1)
"

im still not discounting anybody's theories ofcourse, we are all on a learning journey, especially since everyone reacts differently.

I welcome anymore opinions