ANABOLIC PRO HORMONES?

MikeDug535

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Hey guys, have a buddy who is on low dose Trt, he just underwent rotator cuff surgery and can't workout for months, Is there any pro hormone that will give him an anabolic effect so as to enable him to keep his muscle on without working out? The quandary is he doesn't want to raise his test levels bc his endocrinologist will not prescribe him Trt with highly elevated test levels. Something that will be anabolic but not raise test levels, I know it may be a long shot but if there is something, I know this will be the place to find it, thank you!
 
If you're specifically looking for prohormones, then the answer is no as far as I know. They just generally aren't used for that purpose and aren't used long term like he is going to be needing something for. Plus, in his case, he needs something that isn't going to mess with his blood work, and most ph's will - it may not necessarily be an increase in testosterone levels, but they will have some impact on bloodwork that could lead to issue with his TRT doctor.

If you're looking for natural options that are non-hormonal and help to retain muscle, then I would look at Pepti-Plex. The product is a unique natural anabolic that is like a healthy aging natural anabolic in that it can help people build muscle that workout, but also help people retain muscle as they age or recover from injuries.

There's been feedback on here from people that used it to help with muscle retention after injuries, people giving it to their parents and grandparents, and also I remember one person that gave feedback on using it for 2 months that he was overseas and not training or eating properly and was very pleased with it.

Here's a link to the thread on it, and there has been some new studies and data on several of the ingredients that I haven't had time to write up and include in the thread yet. But this is a good overview.

Thread: https://anabolicminds.com/community...-discovered-natural-anabolic-peptides.335293/

Product link: https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/pepti-plex/
 
MikeDug535 said:
Hey guys, have a buddy who is on low dose Trt, he just underwent rotator cuff surgery and can't workout for months, Is there any pro hormone that will give him an anabolic effect so as to enable him to keep his muscle on without working out? The quandary is he doesn't want to raise his test levels bc his endocrinologist will not prescribe him Trt with highly elevated test levels. Something that will be anabolic but not raise test levels, I know it may be a long shot but if there is something, I know this will be the place to find it, thank you!
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I’m by no means an expert but I believe 19Nor’s do not increase testosterone levels in a test. I’ve heard of guys who use them before blood work to manipulate their test results.
 
If you find an answer let me know! Sounds like a miracle pill 🤣

I would say eatting as clean as possible and ensuring getting enough protein in daily will go a long way for holding onto muscle.
 
JKVol said:
I’m by no means an expert but I believe 19Nor’s do not increase testosterone levels in a test. I’ve heard of guys who use them before blood work to manipulate their test results.
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Thank you, any idea of a product that contains 19 Nor that he can purchase?
 
MikeDug535 said:
Thank you, any idea of a product that contains 19 Nor that he can purchase?
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Just look it up, It’s easy to find. I don’t like telling people I don’t know which hormones they need to take. Nothing personal, it’s just not a good idea
 
JKVol said:
Just look it up, It’s easy to find. I don’t like telling people I don’t know which hormones they need to take. Nothing personal, it’s just not a good idea
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My bad I thought you were talking about a pro hormone natural supplement like the ones you can purchase here, apologies
 
Ostarine may be your best bet. GH or peptides could help aswell, and they won't affect testosterone. If you exclusively just want a prohormone any 19nor prohormone should help, I know hi tech pharma and blackstone labs have some.
 
Why can’t he train for so long?

Probably just need to accept the process of things decreasing a bit and then being prepared to work at regaining when possible. Things should return at a faster rate after a break with proper work, just requires patience.

Keep protein at an appropriate level, look into maybe something like Peptistrong (SNS Pepti-plex) or maybe HMB or HICA and ideally getting some training in (even if just for whatever overall benefits training provides and possible slight benefits of contralateral effects).
 
I second GH - it will also really help heal his shoulder.
Just keep taking TRT and add GH (if he can afford say @ even 2iu a day).
 
MikeDug535 said:
Hey guys, have a buddy who is on low dose Trt, he just underwent rotator cuff surgery and can't workout for months, Is there any pro hormone that will give him an anabolic effect so as to enable him to keep his muscle on without working out? The quandary is he doesn't want to raise his test levels bc his endocrinologist will not prescribe him Trt with highly elevated test levels. Something that will be anabolic but not raise test levels, I know it may be a long shot but if there is something, I know this will be the place to find it, thank you!
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The SARM Ostarine, was developed for the treatment of muscle wasting plus contrary to what a lot of people say it is suppressive so his levels test levels will be lower

I know of no PH that does what’s ur asking
 
Haterank74 said:
The SARM Ostarine, was developed for the treatment of muscle wasting plus contrary to what a lot of people say it is suppressive so his levels test levels will be lower

I know of no PH that does what’s ur asking
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If he is already on trt the difference in test would be negligible since his LH would already be low and therefore his natural production would be low already. From what I understand he just doesn't want his test to get higher since then that would affect his trt, ostarine may lower is depending on natural production but that wouldn't affect his trt, that's why I brought it up.
 
Shadowblaze said:
If he is already on trt the difference in test would be negligible since his LH would already be low and therefore his natural production would be low already. From what I understand he just doesn't want his test to get higher since then that would affect his trt, ostarine may lower is depending on natural production but that wouldn't affect his trt, that's why I brought it up.
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Sounds like a solid choice then … to each there own u have to try some of this stuff and see how ya feel and effects like me I like the natty product Ecdysterone other it didn’t do anything but to me at 1000mg a day it was noticeable
 
Shadowblaze said:
Ostarine may be your best bet. GH or peptides could help aswell, and they won't affect testosterone. If you exclusively just want a prohormone any 19nor prohormone should help, I know hi tech pharma and blackstone labs have some.
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with 19 nor say deca. i dont care about other issues with blood work total test and free test will deca, eq ect raise total test levels or free test \?
 
Shadowblaze said:
I'm sorry I don't understand your question, howcome you bring up eq?
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ok i shoot trt 200mg of test a week and total t runs about say 900 when they do my bloods. Lets say i add deca or eq. Does that maket hat 900 total t go up or does only testosterone make total test go up
 
jtbull said:
ok i shoot trt 200mg of test a week and total t runs about say 900 when they do my bloods. Lets say i add deca or eq. Does that maket hat 900 total t go up or does only testosterone make total test go up
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I'm not the best person to ask but to my knowledge, eq will raise your free and total testosterone and deca won't. This is definitely something id ask in the anabolics section.
 
Depends on the type of lab test used. Most basic testosterone tests will be raised by other compounds. I think EQ should raise it similarly (200 test + 200 eq would look similar to 400) and I want to say deca also raises it but to a lesser degree

Now other types of lab tests might not show anything other than test. It depends on the method used. For the most part though most clinics are going to order the basic test that will react to other compounds . I could be wrong on the deca cross reacting though
 
MK-677 would be good for this IMO. Other people here know way more than I do, but I feel like MK is great for maintaining muscle, especially if getting in enough protein.
 
Just maintain diet and train legs, he will lose some fullness and hardly anything else. Whatever is lost will return almost overnight once full training resumes assuming the muscle he posses pre-surgery was not brand new muscle, ie. he has been at it for years not six months.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Just maintain diet and train legs, he will lose some fullness and hardly anything else. Whatever is lost will return almost overnight once full training resumes assuming the muscle he posses pre-surgery was not brand new muscle, ie. he has been at it for years not six months.
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Agreed. That muscle density that was built over the years helps in situations like this!
 
I have a few things to add

1. Nothing is going to allow him to maintain all of his mass if he has prolonged limited use of an extremity.Even high dose tren won’t stop it (but would be less, but at what cost…)

The good news is that with rotator cuff surgery he won’t be doing any lifting for a while of that arm but it won’t be all that long before he is doing PT and moving it agaisnt gravity, using bands and such. That alone prevents significant atrophy compared to a non weight bearing situation

I had major reconstructive surgery on a knee (way more complicated than a ligament repair). I had to be strict non weight bearing for 6 weeks, not even allowed to take a step. That leg atrophied significantly, even running low dose 3 ad , normal dose 11-kt, moderate dose osta, and 20 mg mk-677.

I do think I healed faster doing so. I hopped around the gym and had people put weights on the bar for me , did a lot of hammer strength stuff, etc. I made significantly gains from a upper body physique standpoint during those 6 weeks while my leg withered away… but I don’t think it withered away as much as it would have

2. Start lifting the other upper extremity as much as possible . Definitely studies out there showing that working out isolate contra lateral side decreases atrophy. If having right shoulder surgery need be jumping on the hammer strength stuff and working out the other side. Reccomend focusing on 12-15 reps sets at 50-75 % volume compared to normal combined with plenty of protein in diet . Not the time to be in a caloric deficit

3. Depending on what trt clinic he uses he may have options. Some clinics do offer low dose nandrolone, GHRPs, bpc, etc
 
Rockslide said:
I have a few things to add

1. Nothing is going to allow him to maintain all of his mass if he has prolonged limited use of an extremity.Even high dose tren won’t stop it (but would be less, but at what cost…)

The good news is that with rotator cuff surgery he won’t be doing any lifting for a while of that arm but it won’t be all that long before he is doing PT and moving it agaisnt gravity, using bands and such. That alone prevents significant atrophy compared to a non weight bearing situation

I had major reconstructive surgery on a knee (way more complicated than a ligament repair). I had to be strict non weight bearing for 6 weeks, not even allowed to take a step. That leg atrophied significantly, even running low dose 3 ad , normal dose 11-kt, moderate dose osta, and 20 mg mk-677.

I do think I healed faster doing so. I hopped around the gym and had people put weights on the bar for me , did a lot of hammer strength stuff, etc. I made significantly gains from a upper body physique standpoint during those 6 weeks while my leg withered away… but I don’t think it withered away as much as it would have

2. Start lifting the other upper extremity as much as possible . Definitely studies out there showing that working out isolate contra lateral side decreases atrophy. If having right shoulder surgery need be jumping on the hammer strength stuff and working out the other side. Reccomend focusing on 12-15 reps sets at 50-75 % volume compared to normal combined with plenty of protein in diet . Not the time to be in a caloric deficit

3. Depending on what trt clinic he uses he may have options. Some clinics do offer low dose nandrolone, GHRPs, bpc, etc
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Any Clinic recommendations? Exactly what he is looking for Right now he goes to a female endocrinologist, they seem to only know and not so much about testosterone Any Clinics he can consult with for all on your number 3 option?
 
MikeDug535 said:
Any Clinic recommendations? Exactly what he is looking for Right now he goes to a female endocrinologist, they seem to only know and not so much about testosterone Any Clinics he can consult with for all on your number 3 option?
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Thank you brother I am passing your great info regarding the recovery training onto him as well
 
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