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alternative to stanodrol?

j.k22

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I'm currently running an Epi only cycle, (first cycle)

Epi: 20/30/40/40/40 (sides dependant, id drop from 40 to 30)
PCT: Nolva : 20/20/10/10

basically
I got nipple sensations 4 days in, only at night times.
I've always had tiny (sweetcorn sized or smaller) lumps there, i assumed everyone does?
took 20mg of nolva for a few days and symptoms dissapeared. lumps still there.

fast forward, to week 3, They are back, not as severe as before! Back on Nolva.

I have been told
This can happen from low androgens....

Epi is very anabolic and not very androgenic at all.

Test is low ---> DHT is low ---> gyno can in some cases manifest.
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Stanodrol or AndroHard would fit the bill here.
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Cant source stano anywhere, and in UK, Androhard is out priced me.

alternatives to 1-Androsterone ??
 
you dont need androsterone with epistane, as it's androgenic/anabolic enough, whoever said that is an idiot.

but other alternatives to ams's androsterone product could be lg's methyl masterdrol version w/e.

If you can get some pstanz to run with it, that'd be great, otherwise, add in an ai like erase.
 
It was Matt Porter form PHF that said it, Im not sure Im allowed to link the thread.

I seen them products, however, I was more looking for an alternative Chemical/Drug
 
RH2012 said:
gyno is no joke, but nipple sensations only at night is not something i'd worry about. pain is usually present if its gyno startin. also 4 days? i dont think this is long enough. i did some synovex 1 time years ago with some estrogen left in it and i didn't get gyno until like 3-4 weeks of being on it.
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probably didnt make it clear, i was trying to be as brief as possible.

My nipples were in real pain, But i didnt panic as I knew it was only 4 days in, took 20mg of nolva, to calm nerves.
did some reading and apparently the pain can be caused by tissue death of breast tissue (Dr.D theory actually)

anyway, a few weeks go by and I get pain, sensation, not really itch. but deffo iritated by clothes ect. Deffo some breast tissue forming. Im trying not to panic. Started nolva again

not sure wither to abort cycle, or bridge into something that may increase DHT, because after my reading, Im sure it will help combat gyno.

a quick refferal to what Im thinking,

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E-stane
henryv said:
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Nomenclature: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol or 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol
Synonyms: Epistane, Havoc, Epi
This is a derivative of a Japanese breast cancer drug epitiostanol. Although it is an active steroid and not a prohormone as such, some of epi's activity is due to conversion to phera (desoxymethyltestosterone) inside the body. There have been a lot of myths and misunderstandings about this steroid, which I tried to address in Invalid Link Removed. Gains are very lean and dry (so a joint supp would be recommended) and some fat loss may be experienced (dependent on diet and training).
Cycles are typically 30 - 40mg daily for four to six weeks, followed by a SERM PCT protocol to avoid "rebound gyno".
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"it is possible that methylepitiostanol may offset estrogen and testosterone from SHBG thus increase the risk of gyno for certain individuals with high SHBG levels. " -this is true for all steroids.

if you want to, add in something like stanodrol, pstanz, or furaza-a. an ai might help also.
 
Probably wasnt clear, I dont think the lumps are growing, but I'm 95% sure there is some psedogyno growth there, as it feeels like there is another pouch of adipose tissue between skin and muscle. Not the same as the feel other adipose tissue. There is definately a "swell" anyway

I tried to reply to the thread with linksto support the DHT theory on gyno, but basically its to to with the 5a retuctase enzyme being inhabited, or, not geting enough testosterone to convert to DHT in the breast tissue.
Anyway, there are a few links on this site, Primprdial perforrmance has the "16 ways to fight gyno" article, this was the basis of my research.

I am a sceptic of most of what i read from supp brands, (like epi is anti-e, i dont think this has ever been proven, And just becasuse its methyliated anti-e doesn't mean it still is)

anyway, I was looking for some Epitestosterone/stano drol ect. To hope that the increase in DHT would perhaps kill the gyno.
would standard topical DHEA applied to the scrotum produce the desired effects, or should I fork out for an AMS UTT 1-androsterone? From what i gather, stanodrol was by far preferred
 
Rhadam said:
WTB someone or some company to produce a run of stanodrol.

SO RAGED I DON'T HAVE ANY.
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This also, I have been looking for days for stanodrol, all I seem to fin is the Dragon Nutrition (UK brand) and PHF say they will be coming out with a clone, but have been saying this for months!
 
Right, I've managed to source some, so hopefully it will arrive soon.

Im only running it for the last 3 weeks of my current cycle, so I hope ill pick up some better gains. Epi so far has been disappointing strength wise, deffo gained some weight, and still same bf%. well, would have lost a little, so thats good.

Slightly reluctant to add more hormonal modifiers in, all considered. But I think this is what I need to hold back gyno along with nolva
 
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