Alternative to androtest from fusion supplements?

[Frode Falch]

I have used the prohormone androtest quiet a few times with great results. But it seems that its only predator nutrition who sell it.

And ever since they changed from using DHL to FedEx, most **** get stopped in the custom..

Is there a good alternative out there for a oral test base?

Thanks for any help guys.

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

I have used the prohormone androtest quiet a few times with great results. But it seems that its only predator nutrition who sell it.

And ever since they changed from using DHL to FedEx, most **** get stopped in the custom..

Is there a good alternative out there for a oral test base?

Thanks for any help guys.

unsure what that is .. is it suppose to convert to this ?

 

[Frode Falch]

Its this one: https://www.predatornutrition.com/prohormones/fusion-supplements/androtest.html

 

[Smont]

Its this one: https://www.predatornutrition.com/prohormones/fusion-supplements/androtest.html

That's just 4ad

 

[Smont]

unsure what that is .. is it suppose to convert to this ?
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That's a different product

 

[Frode Falch]

That's just 4ad

So any other 4ad will do the same? Like brawn 4 ad?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

That's a different product

oh i knew, i was asking "if it converts to that" judging by the name "androtest"

 

[KvanH]

So any other 4ad will do the same? Like brawn 4 ad?

Brawn 4-AD is actually 4-Andro. I haven't seen any other 4-AD products around other, than Androtest. But Androtest is very low dosed, most of the weight of the product in the capsule is from the cyclodextrins. I think you'd do better with TD 4-Andro. Iconic's or IML.

 

[Ironpirate]

Brawn 4-AD is actually 4-Andro. I haven't seen any other 4-AD products around other, than Androtest. But Androtest is very low dosed, most of the weight of the product in the capsule is from the cyclodextrins. I think you'd do better with TD 4-Andro. Iconic's or IML.

I reached out to the company and they have 21mg 4diol and 4mg 4dione per cap. Andro the giant is another good option but you're right tds are probably going to be even more effective than Andro test.

 

[Frode Falch]

Brawn 4-AD is actually 4-Andro. I haven't seen any other 4-AD products around other, than Androtest. But Androtest is very low dosed, most of the weight of the product in the capsule is from the cyclodextrins. I think you'd do better with TD 4-Andro. Iconic's or IML.

Yeah i took 6 caps a day

 

[Frode Falch]

What a about dosing for the brawn 4 ad? Follow the recomended dose on 3 caps a day?

Or is it the more you can afford, the more effect kind of thing?

 

[KvanH]

What a about dosing for the brawn 4 ad? Follow the recomended dose on 3 caps a day?

Or is it the more you can afford, the more effect kind of thing?

300 mg is usually considered the minimum effective dose for oral Andros. So it would be 6 caps of the Brawn. I felt better with 150 mg TD, than 300 mg oral though. Hard Rock Supps 4-Andro would probably be your best bet for oral. You can get it from Strong Supplement Shop.

 

[Frode Falch]

Thanks alot man

 

[Frode Falch]

Product Description
Andrologue by DNA Anabolics
Product Dosage: 2 caps/day
Product Description: 60 Caps / 225mgs per cap, time release capsule
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androstane-3-one, 17a-ol
•(Maslinic Acid)-5-amino
•Androst 3 5-dien-7 17-dione

What is this then?

 

[Smont]

Product Description
Andrologue by DNA Anabolics
Product Dosage: 2 caps/day
Product Description: 60 Caps / 225mgs per cap, time release capsule
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androstane-3-one, 17a-ol
•(Maslinic Acid)-5-amino
•Androst 3 5-dien-7 17-dione

What is this then?

No clue, but I can look it up later,

I don't think there's any other 4ad on the market, just 4 Andro which takes a extra step to convert.

 

[gphagan1]

Product Description
Andrologue by DNA Anabolics
Product Dosage: 2 caps/day
Product Description: 60 Caps / 225mgs per cap, time release capsule
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androstane-3-one, 17a-ol
•(Maslinic Acid)-5-amino
•Androst 3 5-dien-7 17-dione

What is this then?

I think it’s this, maybe?

5aOHP
5aOHP (chemical name: 17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androstane-3-one, 17a-ol) is an anabolic progestin that converts to stanolone, which is better known as dihydrotestosterone or DHT for short. This causes 5aOHP to act like Winstrol because it helps achieve a lean look and adds mass without aggression. However, there is one major difference between winstrol and 5aOHP – the latter one will not cause any hair loss that is commonly associated with the use of winstrol.
And this….
1,4-OHP
1,4-OHP (chemical name: 17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol) is a precursor to boldenone, so just like equipoise this particular prohorome will increase appetite and will enhance recovery. Due to the appetite increase, 1,4-OHP is often used in a bulking stack, where it will help build lean mass without adding significant water quickly when compared to something like 4-Andro. All in all, this prohormone is highly anabolic and mildly androgenic, which will contribute to a nice increase in vascularity. Besides, it is also very easy on the joints.

 

[Smont]

I think it’s this, maybe?

5aOHP
5aOHP (chemical name: 17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androstane-3-one, 17a-ol) is an anabolic progestin that converts to stanolone, which is better known as dihydrotestosterone or DHT for short. This causes 5aOHP to act like Winstrol because it helps achieve a lean look and adds mass without aggression. However, there is one major difference between winstrol and 5aOHP – the latter one will not cause any hair loss that is commonly associated with the use of winstrol.

5aohp is absolute crap from everything I've seen. I have not used it personally but I've seen plenty of ppl waste there money on it and be dissapointed

 

[Smont]

Product Description
Andrologue by DNA Anabolics
Product Dosage: 2 caps/day
Product Description: 60 Caps / 225mgs per cap, time release capsule
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-one, 17a-ol
•17beta-{1-Ketoethyl}-androstane-3-one, 17a-ol
•(Maslinic Acid)-5-amino
•Androst 3 5-dien-7 17-dione

What is this then?

The first 2 ingredients are similar and 1of then definitely is 5aOHP
Third ingredient is a olive oil extract, not a terrible ingredient but it's a odd thing to add in my opinion and the last ingredient is ADT, it's a prop blend with 2 semi useless ingredients. Don't waste your money

 

[Frode Falch]

No clue, but I can look it up later,

I don't think there's any other 4ad on the market, just 4 Andro which takes a extra step to convert.

And what is the negative of that?

Probably a noob question. But i got no clue.

 

[gphagan1]

The first 2 ingredients are similar and 1of then definitely is 5aOHP
Third ingredient is a olive oil extract, not a terrible ingredient but it's a odd thing to add in my opinion and the last ingredient is ADT, it's a prop blend with 2 semi useless ingredients. Don't waste your money

Totally agree, so many supplements have crap ingredients and they either label them like their the next new pro-hormone or a real steroid, and they hope the long name on the ingredient will impress enough that you don’t research it.
That 5aOHP I had seen in another company’s ingredient profile describing it as an extremely anabolic DHT and advised to not exceed recommended dose because of strength, what a joke. They know that will make more people want it, knowing it’s crap.
OP there has been some really good Andro products already brought up, especially the transdermals. If your not wanting to pin Test, I would follow their advice and choose one of those.

 

[KvanH]

And what is the negative of that?

Probably a noob question. But i got no clue.

Don't take this in a wrong way, but Google is your friend.

They both have a low conversion rate to test and 4-Andro taking 2 steps, has lower.

I haven't researched these compounds in a long time, so anyone reading this should do their own research (if interested), as I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But I won't do the Googling, when others can do it themselves.

4-AD is 4-androstenediol. It doesn't aromatize and it gets converted to test for about 15% rate or something. 4-androsterone converts to 4-androstenediol and 4-androstenedione. 4-androstenedione converts to estrogen (and to test?). 4-Andro ends up converting to test at like 5% rate or something. 4-androstenediol has some androgenic effects of it's own. Maybe 4-andro does too?

 

[KvanH]

I wouldn't buy that 5aOHP stuff, like the gents pointed above.

 

[Ironpirate]

Don't take this in a wrong way, but Google is your friend.

They both have a low conversion rate to test and 4-Andro taking 2 steps, has lower.

I haven't researched these compounds in a long time, so anyone reading this should do their own research (if interested), as I might be talking out of my a$$ here. But I won't do the Googling, when others can do it themselves.

4-AD is 4-androstenediol. It doesn't aromatize and it gets converted to test for about 15% rate or something. 4-androsterone converts to 4-androstenediol and 4-androstenedione. 4-androstenedione converts to estrogen (and to test?). 4-Andro ends up converting to test at like 5% rate or something. 4-androstenediol has some androgenic effects of it's own. Maybe 4-andro does too?

Good info but the conversion of 4dione is 5 percent and 4 dhea is only 1-3 percent.

 

[KvanH]

Good info but the conversion of 4dione is 5 percent and 4 dhea is only 1-3 percent.

Do you mean diol? I just remember claims of 15% conversion rate for 4-AD, but those could've very well be from a sellers website, so I don't have a strong opinion here.

 

[Ironpirate]

Do you mean diol? I just remember claims of 15% conversion rate for 4-AD, but those could've very well be from a sellers website, so I don't have a strong opinion here.

5 percent dione 15-16 percent diol as per pubmed and other collegiate journals.

 

[tstrogo93]

unsure what that is .. is it suppose to convert to this ?
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what product is this?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

what product is this?

m1t

 

[gphagan1]

m1t

Yeah M1T is very strong, and some of the worst sides I’ve ever had the couple of times I ran it. The gains were on par with Superdrol, but more sides for me.

 

[tstrogo93]

m1t

thank you

 

[tstrogo93]

Yeah M1T is very strong, and some of the worst sides I’ve ever had the couple of times I ran it. The gains were on par with Superdrol, but more sides for me.

have you tried androtest?

 

[gphagan1]

have you tried androtest?

No, but I saw a couple of guys that ran it a few years ago and seemed to like it.

 

[gphagan1]

Last time I ran any Andro products was like 5 years ago, and the last time I ran an oral was maybe 1 1/2 years ago. I’m on TRT and only do about one cycle a year now and it’s usually Test with Mast or Primo. The only two orals I don’t get sides from now are Anavar and Tbol. I may do another cycle with one of those at the end, just to use up what I have eventually.

 

[tstrogo93]

Last time I ran any Andro products was like 5 years ago, and the last time I ran an oral was maybe 1 1/2 years ago. I’m on TRT and only do about one cycle a year now and it’s usually Test with Mast or Primo. The only two orals I don’t get sides from now are Anavar and Tbol. I may do another cycle with one of those at the end, just to use up what I have eventually.

awwesome thanks man

 

[KvanH]

have you tried androtest?

Is there something particular you're wondering about Androtest? I ask this because it's quite an unique product for what it's good for and used for. Not comparable to most orals, DS, PH's.

 

[tstrogo93]

Is there something particular you're wondering about Androtest? I ask this because it's quite an unique product for what it's good for and used for. Not comparable to most orals, DS, PH's.

I was just looking for something that would closely mimic a test cycle that is oral and this came up as one of the only 1 step conversions when i was looking

 

[tstrogo93]

I was just looking for something that would closely mimic a test cycle that is oral and this came up as one of the only 1 step conversions when i was looking

when i say closely i understand it wont be comparable in effectivness but you know what i mean

 

[tstrogo93]

Is there something particular you're wondering about Androtest? I ask this because it's quite an unique product for what it's good for and used for. Not comparable to most orals, DS, PH's.

Also seemed like a good "test base" if i were to run ostarine or something like that

 

[delsolrob]

Pred, Powermyself and JW should have Alpha Four in stock by Iconic Formulations - honestly, I bet Alpha Four would do a way better job...the hefty td dose of 4-dhea + androsterone

 

[delsolrob]

300 mg is usually considered the minimum effective dose for oral Andros. So it would be 6 caps of the Brawn. I felt better with 150 mg TD, than 300 mg oral though. Hard Rock Supps 4-Andro would probably be your best bet for oral. You can get it from Strong Supplement Shop.

This - 4-DHEA Transdermal is awesome!

Strong has Alpha Four left too

 

[KvanH]

Also seemed like a good "test base" if i were to run ostarine or something like that

Ok, I see you're on top of it

 

[tstrogo93]

Pred, Powermyself and JW should have Alpha Four in stock by Iconic Formulations - honestly, I bet Alpha Four would do a way better job...the hefty td dose of 4-dhea + androsterone

why do you think it would be better out of curiosity? Not arguing just trying to learn as much as possible

 

[KvanH]

why do you think it would be better out of curiosity? Not arguing just trying to learn as much as possible

You didn't ask me, but dosing would be one factor. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, Androtest is poorly dosed, so even being a 1 step PH instead of 2 step, you might get more out of Alpha Four, since it's highly dosed. And it's a TD and that has it's benefits. Plus the mentioned Androsterone that A4 also includes.

 

[tstrogo93]

You didn't ask me, but dosing would be one factor. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, Androtest is poorly dosed, so even being a 1 step PH instead of 2 step, you might get more out of Alpha Four, since it's highly dosed. And it's a TD and that has it's benefits. Plus the mentioned Androsterone that A4 also includes.

ah ok is androtest the only 1 step left on the market of its kind?

 

[KvanH]

ah ok is androtest the only 1 step left on the market of its kind?

The only one I've ever seen.

 

[Maximiliaan]

Pred, Powermyself and JW should have Alpha Four in stock by Iconic Formulations - honestly, I bet Alpha Four would do a way better job...the hefty td dose of 4-dhea + androsterone

how is 4-DHEA better than 4-androstenediol? American companies never made 4-DHEA back when they could sell 4-androstenediol for a reason.

 

[KvanH]

how is 4-DHEA better than 4-androstenediol? American companies never made 4-DHEA back when they could sell 4-androstenediol for a reason.

I'll quote my own post from above

You didn't ask me, but dosing would be one factor. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, Androtest is poorly dosed, so even being a 1 step PH instead of 2 step, you might get more out of Alpha Four, since it's highly dosed. And it's a TD and that has it's benefits. Plus the mentioned Androsterone that A4 also includes.