ALPHA FOUR reviews

[thebigt]

1 month run complete. I really like this, not been this enthused since the Primordial days.

Supps:
Ran Alpha4, BLR - Follidrone, MGelz - Shred
(and some stables like PalmFruit Extract, Cissus, Circumin etc)

This is mostly me ramping up after gym re-opened 6 weeks ago. I have some equipment but not as much as gym. So call it a 60% 3 month layover.

General:
Later 30s male
5'10-5'11ish
Starting weight: 197
Ending weight: 206
Body fat went down some. For sure a visible difference maybe 1-2%.
Diet - I eat those ExceleV8 meals a lot - because I been workin too much lately to cook.

Notable Lift changes:
Deadlift - Beltless 5x5s hook grip went from 315 perceived hard to 340 fairly cruisin
Bench - 5x5s felt awful at 205 now upto 240 with not much trouble (bench was legit 3 month layover) pre-pandemic weight typically was 245x5x5 for a low baseline.
Squat - I have some hipflexor tendon stuff I am getting over so didn't push this up much on purpose

Also after week 2, volume-wise, I tolerated a lot of volume like deadlift 5x10 @ 225 after the 5x5s.

Mood/Energy:
Alpha4 seems to give the smoothest good feel and I love it.
Libido - went up 3 fold.
Mood - I generally took work stress well. I even started getting more at outdoor venues. Mood felt elevated just every day was a good day kinda feel.
High increase in appetite.

thats what i'm talkin bout...fantastic!!!

 

[Blug]

hi,
i have different question - i see icon one has 1-dhea + dermacrine. Alpha four has 1-dhea + 4-dhea. Is Icon One enough (with included dermacrine) to combat possible "mild" supression or 4-andro is needed here? And in case i get Alpha Four does it make sense to add Dermacrine separately?

 

[JKVol]

hi,
i have different question - i see icon one has 1-dhea + dermacrine. Alpha four has 1-dhea + 4-dhea. Is Icon One enough (with included dermacrine) to combat possible "mild" supression or 4-andro is needed here? And in case i get Alpha Four does it make sense to add Dermacrine separately?

Alpha 4 has 4-DHEA and androsterone. Not 1-andro. Androsterone is similar to EPI-andro.

 

[thebigt]

hi,
i have different question - i see icon one has 1-dhea + dermacrine. Alpha four has 1-dhea + 4-dhea. Is Icon One enough (with included dermacrine) to combat possible "mild" supression or 4-andro is needed here? And in case i get Alpha Four does it make sense to add Dermacrine separately?

A4 is 4-andro+androsterone, it would stack great with icon one.. @motiv8er is logging those 2 products and seems to be enjoying this stack.

 

[Blug]

Alpha 4 has 4-DHEA and androsterone. Not 1-andro. Androsterone is similar to EPI-andro.

Ah thank you for clarifying.

 

[ndiguy]

Would Alpha Four be the ideal product from the black series to utilize as a "test base" during an oral cycle?

I've got inj test on hand, but I may hold off a bit longer on pinning.

 

[Blug]

A4 is 4-andro+androsterone, it would stack great with icon one.. @motiv8er is logging those 2 products and seems to be enjoying this stack.

Thank you!

 

[JKVol]

Would Alpha Four be the ideal product from the black series to utilize as a "test base" during an oral cycle?

I've got inj test on hand, but I may hold off a bit longer on pinning.

It would depend IMO on what oral you are running. I may be in the minority here but I’ve never felt like 4 DHEA did much as a test base.

 

[delsolrob]

Would Alpha Four be the ideal product from the black series to utilize as a "test base" during an oral cycle?

I've got inj test on hand, but I may hold off a bit longer on pinning.

I think Alpha Four may be the most effective option available OTC.

It would depend IMO on what oral you are running. I may be in the minority here but I’ve never felt like 4 DHEA did much as a test base.

I wish supplementreviews hadn't stripped all the reviews for the AG 4-Andro TD - people LOVED it! The only review left there was a guy who ran it at 75mg daily (when I sent him enough to run at 225mg daily and he didn't follow directions).

Sometime, I recommend you give topical 4-dhea a solid try...coupled with the androsterone it should be a real treat...stay tuned for more reviews

 

[thebigt]

I think Alpha Four may be the most effective option available OTC.



I wish supplementreviews hadn't stripped all the reviews for the AG 4-Andro TD - people LOVED it! The only review left there was a guy who ran it at 75mg daily (when I sent him enough to run at 225mg daily and he didn't follow directions).

Sometime, I recommend you give topical 4-dhea a solid try...coupled with the androsterone it should be a real treat...stay tuned for more reviews

Alpha Four kickass, i haven't seen one person who has/is running it say otherwise!!!

it IS a real treat, i loved my 2 month run of it...and will run again!!!

 

[JKVol]

I think Alpha Four may be the most effective option available OTC.



I wish supplementreviews hadn't stripped all the reviews for the AG 4-Andro TD - people LOVED it! The only review left there was a guy who ran it at 75mg daily (when I sent him enough to run at 225mg daily and he didn't follow directions).

Sometime, I recommend you give topical 4-dhea a solid try...coupled with the androsterone it should be a real treat...stay tuned for more reviews

I’m on my 3rd bottle of A4 right now.

 

[thebigt]

I’m on my 3rd bottle of A4 right now.

very good stuff...by far the best i've tried!!!

 

[UT_King]

Alpha Four questions... i'll be starting a 30 day DMZ run in a week, any reason for or against starting the alpha four now?
What would be considered the minimum effective starting dose? 2 or 3 pumps?
I'll be taking TUDCA and cycle assist, any other recommended supports?

 

[cheftepesh1]

Alpha 4 makes a great base.

 

[Grimm5000]

Is sustain alpha enough for pct or better to go with a serm?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Is sustain alpha enough for pct or better to go with a serm?

For an andro, a natural test booster should be sufficient. Rebirth has a natural SERM in it, and is effective at raising testosterone. Stack with Sustain Alpha, and you should have a fine PCT after an Andro.

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[Grimm5000]

For an andro, a natural test booster should be sufficient. Rebirth has a natural SERM in it, and is effective at raising testosterone. Stack with Sustain Alpha, and you should have a fine PCT after an Andro.

Rebirth

Testosterone is the man maker. Testosterone increases muscle growth, strength and virility. Regardless if you have suppressed levels from anabolic supplements or you just want to crank up the horsepower Rebirth delivers. Great for PCT, Solo for increased testosterone or as part of a Black Lion...

www.blacklionresearch.com

Wicked, thanks mate. Does this still apply if you stack with epi andro as well?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Wicked, thanks mate. Does this still apply if you stack with epi andro as well?

Yes. Use code "LABOR" to get 25 percent off, and check out BLRs newest pump product if still in stock

 

[Grimm5000]

Yes. Use code "LABOR" to get 25 percent off, and check out BLRs newest pump product if still in stock

Sorry mate, I meant ultra epi. Still good with an otc pct?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Sorry mate, I meant ultra epi. Still good with an otc pct?

Yes! Always good to have clomid and nolva on hand, but there are benefits to not using a pharmaceutical if you don't have to.

 

[Grimm5000]

Yes! Always good to have clomid and nolva on hand, but there are benefits to not using a pharmaceutical if you don't have to.

Awesome, thanks for your help

 

[ValiantThor08]

Awesome, thanks for your help

My pleasure!

 

[thebigt]

getting some alpha four for my birthday, can't wait to get back on it!!!

 

[livestrong]

Is an 8 week run of alpha 4 the typical amount of time? I was going to do 8 weeks of this followed by sustain alpha. Should i stack anything with the alpha 4?

 

[thebigt]

Is an 8 week run of alpha 4 the typical amount of time? I was going to do 8 weeks of this followed by sustain alpha. Should i stack anything with the alpha 4?

8 weeks is fine...i am using alpha four along with alpha seven...i like the additional androsterone to help keep my gains lean-today is day 5 and i am already more vascular and libido is on fire!!!

 

[delsolrob]

@Admin, can we get this pinned?

 

[BigGame84]

Could you have swapped the Androsterone in Alpha Four to 1-DHEA?

 

[livestrong]

8 weeks is fine...i am using alpha four along with alpha seven...i like the additional androsterone to help keep my gains lean-today is day 5 and i am already more vascular and libido is on fire!!!

One more question....is adding sustain alpha directly after the 8 week run of the A4 a good move? Any reason you would stack it with the A4?

 

[livestrong]

I noticed the bottle says 4-5 pumps. Is there a cut off based on weight?

 

[delsolrob]

I noticed the bottle says 4-5 pumps. Is there a cut off based on weight?

One more question....is adding sustain alpha directly after the 8 week run of the A4 a good move? Any reason you would stack it with the A4?

Yes, using sustain alpha as part of your PCT is definitely a good move

You can add sustain alpha on cycle if you experience any estrogen related sides

Dosing Alpha Four - I generally recommend starting at 4 pumps and evaluating the need to increase it.

 

[thebigt]

Yes, using sustain alpha as part of your PCT is definitely a good move

You can add sustain alpha on cycle if you experience any estrogen related sides

Dosing Alpha Four - I generally recommend starting at 4 pumps and evaluating the need to increase it.

 

[delsolrob]

Alpha Four is almost about to pass Ultra Hard in sales for October...that says a lot!

 

[thebigt]

Alpha Four is almost about to pass Ultra Hard in sales for October...that says a lot!

alpha four kicksass!!!

right now i am running both alpha four and ultra hard-hell yes!!!

next month it's going to be alpha four and icon one!!!!

 

[thebigt]

change in plans...on wednesday i will be ordering Alpha Four and Ultra Hard...just to show how much i love these products, this purchase will be out of my own pocket!!!

decided to run icon one later down the road, maybe after christmas.

 

[thebigt]

change in plans...on wednesday i will be ordering Alpha Four and Ultra Hard...just to show how much i love these products, this purchase will be out of my own pocket!!!

decided to run icon one later down the road, maybe after christmas.

just made order, can't wait to get back on the A4/UH!!!

 

[Dragoninho]

Is it a good move to use a small amount of Dermacrine in ”the background” of A4, to have some pure dhea/preg running in the system as well or is unnecessary?

I’ve used Dermacrine with TD test and found that helpful, so I guess it wouldn’t be bad for A4 either, but would like to hear your take on it.

 

[delsolrob]

Is it a good move to use a small amount of Dermacrine in ”the background” of A4, to have some pure dhea/preg running in the system as well or is unnecessary?

I’ve used Dermacrine with TD test and found that helpful, so I guess it wouldn’t be bad for A4 either, but would like to hear your take on it.

Definitely won’t hurt, I can see this as working quite synergistically for a feel good combo. I would seriously start at like 1 pump of dermacrine and go from there...probably wouldn’t go over 2-3 pumps

 

[Dragoninho]

Definitely won’t hurt, I can see this as working quite synergistically for a feel good combo. I would seriously start at like 1 pump of dermacrine and go from there...probably wouldn’t go over 2-3 pumps

That is the way I’ve done it before. 1 pump, 2 at the most.

 

[thebigt]

Definitely won’t hurt, I can see this as working quite synergistically for a feel good combo. I would seriously start at like 1 pump of dermacrine and go from there...probably wouldn’t go over 2-3 pumps

i have never used dermacrine with alpha four---i have used the neuro p5[preg] with alpha four, but i was already using the neuro p5 when i started the alpha four so i can't say what difference it made...sounds like something i might try in the future!!!

@Dragoninho if you do this let us [me] know how it turns out!!!

 

[Dragoninho]

i have never used dermacrine with alpha four---i have used the neuro p5[preg] with alpha four, but i was already using the neuro p5 when i started the alpha four so i can't say what difference it made...sounds like something i might try in the future!!!

@Dragoninho if you do this let us [me] know how it turns out!!!

Sure!
Will do.

 

[thebigt]

1 month run complete. I really like this, not been this enthused since the Primordial days.

Supps:
Ran Alpha4, BLR - Follidrone, MGelz - Shred
(and some stables like PalmFruit Extract, Cissus, Circumin etc)

This is mostly me ramping up after gym re-opened 6 weeks ago. I have some equipment but not as much as gym. So call it a 60% 3 month layover.

General:
Later 30s male
5'10-5'11ish
Starting weight: 197
Ending weight: 206
Body fat went down some. For sure a visible difference maybe 1-2%.
Diet - I eat those ExceleV8 meals a lot - because I been workin too much lately to cook.

Notable Lift changes:
Deadlift - Beltless 5x5s hook grip went from 315 perceived hard to 340 fairly cruisin
Bench - 5x5s felt awful at 205 now upto 240 with not much trouble (bench was legit 3 month layover) pre-pandemic weight typically was 245x5x5 for a low baseline.
Squat - I have some hipflexor tendon stuff I am getting over so didn't push this up much on purpose

Also after week 2, volume-wise, I tolerated a lot of volume like deadlift 5x10 @ 225 after the 5x5s.

Mood/Energy:
Alpha4 seems to give the smoothest good feel and I love it.
Libido - went up 3 fold.
Mood - I generally took work stress well. I even started getting more at outdoor venues. Mood felt elevated just every day was a good day kinda feel.
High increase in appetite.

fantastic 1st month results...how did month 2 treat you?

 

[AndroRage]

Sure!
Will do.

How did the Alpha Four go Bro?

 

[thebigt]

How did the Alpha Four go Bro?

x2?

 

[AndroRage]

Anyone used this recently? I know it’s discontinued but I have some and waiting to use it but concerned of the possible water retention (as I’m been dieting Natty and very lean and don’t want to bloat up). Would be using with ultra hard and Epistane or Var...

 

[KvanH]

Anyone used this recently? I know it’s discontinued but I have some and waiting to use it but concerned of the possible water retention (as I’m been dieting Natty and very lean and don’t want to bloat up). Would be using with ultra hard and Epistane or Var...

Haven't used the exact product, but has 4-Andro given you bloat before? Never has for me and to my knowledge is not very common to do so. A4 also having Androsterone in it will be a bit drier, than just 4-Andro. And you running UH and if running the Epistane with it, I'd be much more concerned about being too dry, than bloated.

 

[cheftepesh1]

Anyone used this recently? I know it’s discontinued but I have some and waiting to use it but concerned of the possible water retention (as I’m been dieting Natty and very lean and don’t want to bloat up). Would be using with ultra hard and Epistane or Var...

Not recently but I have used. I didn’t get much water retention when I did. I think with ultra hard or epi would be a decent combo. I have personally never used var.

 

[delsolrob]

combining with any of the other compounds mentioned, you shouldn't have any issues with bloating. the limited estrogen conversion should be welcomed

Anyone used this recently? I know it’s discontinued but I have some and waiting to use it but concerned of the possible water retention (as I’m been dieting Natty and very lean and don’t want to bloat up). Would be using with ultra hard and Epistane or Var...

 

[cruze1911r1]

I noticed icon one and alpha four are no longer on the iconic website? Are we losing another transdermal option for the 1-4 andros?

Does this have anything to do with hi tech having the patent or some sh!t?

 

[delsolrob]

I noticed icon one and alpha four are no longer on the iconic website? Are we losing another transdermal option for the 1-4 andros?

Does this have anything to do with hi tech having the patent or some sh!t?

all topical 1-dhea and 4-dhea products produced by Iconic Formulations and Alpha Gainz were discontinued due to licensing issues. Once existing inventories are gone, these are gone for good...some retailers still have stock.

As far as I'm aware, no company is currently allowed to produce td 1-dhea/4-dhea

Iconic Formulations Discontinuing Alpha Four and Icon One - AnabolicMinds.com

due to licensing issues we are forced to discontinue both Alpha Four and Icon One This is a huge hit to our business, as these are extremely popular products for us. Icon One paved the way for the rest of our black series of products! We have 30 days to clear our inventory - as such, we're...

anabolicminds.com

 

[cruze1911r1]

all topical 1-dhea and 4-dhea products produced by Iconic Formulations and Alpha Gainz were discontinued due to licensing issues. Once existing inventories are gone, these are gone for good...some retailers still have stock.

As far as I'm aware, no company is currently allowed to produce td 1-dhea/4-dhea

Iconic Formulations Discontinuing Alpha Four and Icon One - AnabolicMinds.com

due to licensing issues we are forced to discontinue both Alpha Four and Icon One This is a huge hit to our business, as these are extremely popular products for us. Icon One paved the way for the rest of our black series of products! We have 30 days to clear our inventory - as such, we're...

anabolicminds.com

That is disheartening