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What are the differences and which do you prefer?
Easier to find also easier to fake because its such high demand for it, if your source is legit then by all meansNever tried either but I'll probably just go with clen being it's easier to find
Exactly what he said. I will add that the difference is not only in half life but sides in most; Clen can carry some serious sides for some people(Some get so jittery they can't handle it).Are your pretty low in body fat? They are both similar biggest difference is half life as said above.
Personally with all the long term health possibilities I would only use them if your cutting for a show. Not worth the risks to me for a non contest cut. It helps a little but not much. A ECA stack is another option that is recommended a lot never tried. I have ran clean when I was over 20% bf and it wasn't worth it.
End of day if you ain't sub 10-12% you should work diet and cardio first.
I can attest eca stack was wonderful, almost euphoric feeling, great clean energy and nice fat lossExactly what he said. I will add that the difference is not only in half life but sides in most; Clen can carry some serious sides for some people(Some get so jittery they can't handle it).
Someone not looking to step on a stage should never need Albuterol/Clenbuterol imo. ECA should be more than enough. I had a friend who skipped over ECA for Clen and didn't accomplish anything more than he would have with ECA. Clean up the diet and train harder first.
Hahah it worked for me as well but no Euphoria and the energy wasn't clean at times. It functioned similar to ADD meds for me. Most people feel the same way you do about it though. Definitely effective and should at least be tried before Clen. It's much much cheaper too at least in Canada. 1/10th the price.I can attest eca stack was wonderful, almost euphoric feeling, great clean energy and nice fat loss
Oh bro I would take the eca before fasted cardio and feel great, then all day at work I just felt happier than a big in sh*t with great energy levels lol agreed its super cheap as well, I actually prefer ECY but that's just because yohimbine affects me very well, some people hate it thoughHahah it worked for me as well but no Euphoria and the energy wasn't clean at times. It functioned similar to ADD meds for me. Most people feel the same way you do about it though. Definitely effective and should at least be tried before Clen. It's much much cheaper too at least in Canada. 1/10th the price.
Yeah that's another thing most people don't realize, dropping weight dramatically is never good for your body comp, strength, health etc. Do it nice and steady, with hard work, and the end result will be much better and also tends to be easier to maintain.I have never tried albuterol so wasn't sure on sides. For me clen wasn't bad other than shakes first few hours. Clen and Eva, he'll any weight loss supplement don't really help 2 much. Gettin a diet, workout, and cardio plan is what matters. Expect around 1lb a week dont rush and you'll look better when you done. I went from 235 to 178 last 52 weeks and haven't lost any on my big 3 maxes I say squat and dead went up. That was all diet not even a otc weight loss product. Trust me 4 lbs a month don't seem like much but when it's mostly fat you will look way different in 3 months
Lol I wish I felt these effects. I hear that for ADD kids stuff like ECA, Adderall and similarly structured compounds have the zombie effect instead of stimulating energy/euphoria.Oh bro I would take the eca before fasted cardio and feel great, then all day at work I just felt happier than a big in sh*t with great energy levels lol agreed its super cheap as well, I actually prefer ECY but that's just because yohimbine affects me very well, some people hate it though
Ephedra makes me feel about 100x worse than Clen. I see people posting all this stuff about how they can't handle Clen but I've run it at 120mcg a day and I used two reputable research chem labs for it I doubt either of them is bunk. In fact I know the stuff is real because my girlfriend on the other hand took it for 3 or 4 days and didn't like it. She said it made her feel jittery?!Hahah it worked for me as well but no Euphoria and the energy wasn't clean at times. It functioned similar to ADD meds for me. Most people feel the same way you do about it though. Definitely effective and should at least be tried before Clen. It's much much cheaper too at least in Canada. 1/10th the price.
Are you taking ephedra or ephedrine hcl? The plant extract bullshiit makes me feel awful too and prefer clen over it any day. Ephedrine HCl though, is a different story. Good stuff right there.Ephedra makes me feel about 100x worse than Clen. I see people posting all this stuff about how they can't handle Clen but I've run it at 120mcg a day and I used two reputable research chem labs for it I doubt either of them is bunk. In fact I know the stuff is real because my girlfriend on the other hand took it for 3 or 4 days and didn't like it. She said it made her feel jittery?!
Am I the only person that seems to think clen feels alot cleaner than ephedra.. Ephedra kinds reminds me of adderal (which I also HATE), SOMETHING I took a few times to help me study
What I am taking is "ECAY" which is 25mg epdedra extract, 200mg caffeine, white willow bark and yohimbe don't know the doses on the last 2Are you taking ephedra or ephedrine hcl? The plant extract bullshiit makes me feel awful too and prefer clen over it any day. Ephedrine HCl though, is a different story. Good stuff right there.
If your dangerously overweight Weight loss can be faster. The biggest thing if your natty the slower you cut the more clean mass you will hold on too. Plus losing weight slower will let skin tighten up as much as possible so you ain't left looking saggy. If your really overweight this will still be an issue but you can't help that.Also I saw someone post losing 1 pound a week is preferable I feel if you are trying to cut and only losing weight his slowly there is something wrong. Unless you honestly don't care about seeing any results for quite some time. I'm currently shooting for 10 pounds a month to drop from 230 to 215 (I already lost 5)
Yeah I don't fuk with that ephedra extract shiit, makes me feel like I'm gonna die.What I am taking is "ECAY" which is 25mg epdedra extract, 200mg caffeine, white willow bark and yohimbe don't know the doses on the last 2
Lmao yup that just about sums it up. It's nasty ****Yeah I don't fuk with that ephedra extract shiit, makes me feel like I'm gonna die.
Just some advice don't restock on that just get real ephedrineLmao yup that just about sums it up. It's nasty ****
Sounds like a great way to DIE! Those products are always a gamble. Not worth it at all.What I am taking is "ECAY" which is 25mg epdedra extract, 200mg caffeine, white willow bark and yohimbe don't know the doses on the last 2
This. Do this.Just some advice don't restock on that just get real ephedrine
He's back from the abyss. How did your comp go?I don't see the need for either if your not sub teen bf I just saw a client go from 21% to 9% in 16 weeks all natty my brother in law coach just took him from approx 185lbs 36 in waist to around 7.5% 28,inch waist in 20 weeks all natty too
Ephedra extracts (if that's even what they are) can contain a bunch of other alkaloids which you don't want and can potentially be harmful. When people messed themselves up back in the day with E, they were using the "extracts". Real E is much safer. Ephedrine is the alkaloid you do want, and E HCL is that and only that.Isn't ephedrine just the active ingredient in the ephedra extect ? Isn't it illegal to buy real ephedrine not that it matters or anything just saying
Ephedrine is illegal to buy OTC in the U.S. (unless it's in bronkaid or another related product), but even so, it's not hard to find and get.Ephedra extracts (if that's even what they are) can contain a bunch of other alkaloids which you don't want and can potentially be harmful. When people messed themselves up back in the day with E, they were using the "extracts". Real E is much safer. Ephedrine is the alkaloid you do want, and E HCL is that and only that.
You also don't know exactly how much Ephedrine you may be getting in the extracts which is problematic to say the least.
I don't think Ephedrine is illegal in the US, just a bit difficult to get but I'm not sure.
Did you like this product? Looking at trying Eca stackWell let's put it this way it's def not regulated by the FDA
Youbet regardless of what people say, I am happy with the ECAY product. THERE is something very wrong with my body and I'm not quite sure what because my bloodwork is fine, where I am struggling to shed body fat. I know these products help me and they help greatly especially for appetite supression with this particular product.Did you like this product? Looking at trying Eca stack
This might sound dumb, but I was having trouble a long ways back (before I decided to just permabulk for powerlifting) and I actually increased my calories to around 12 per lb of body weight, and the weight loss resumed. I feel (and it could be bro science) that your body goes into starvation mode and holds on to everything when you drop your calls that low. Just my .02Here is another pic if this helps. Really the only thing driving me bonkers right now is the fat around my,stomach everything else is coming along a bit better
Not bro science man that is absolutely what happens. Your body actually lowers your metabolism to match your new daily caloric intake.This might sound dumb, but I was having trouble a long ways back (before I decided to just permabulk for powerlifting) and I actually increased my calories to around 12 per lb of body weight, and the weight loss resumed. I feel (and it could be bro science) that your body goes into starvation mode and holds on to everything when you drop your calls that low. Just my .02
I actually saw a study that for the most part, disproves this. Yes prolonged periods of low calories will eventually induce this and it needs to be extremely low, and even then it only slows it a very small amount it's not like a complete metabolic shutdown.Not bro science man that is absolutely what happens. Your body actually lowers your metabolism to match your new daily caloric intake.
It's not that it causes shut down, but creating a large caloric deficit, in addition to continuing or increasing your caloric output, a reaction will happen where your metabolism slows down to compensate for that discrepancy because there is a "starvation mode" that can be triggered. If this wasn't true then we would all be able to cut 500 calories from our diet tomorrow, continue with training and cardio as normal without making any more diet changes and we would be able to ride that out until we're shredded, but that doesn't seem to be the case..I actually saw a study that for the most part, disproves this. Yes prolonged periods of low calories will eventually induce this and it needs to be extremely low, and even then it only slows it a very small amount it's not like a complete metabolic shutdown.
I would like to see some concrete evidence of this because I simply don't believe it. I would be more likely to believe eating more will speed up your metabolism, than eating very little will cause it to shut down
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