AI's and SERMS question

mewannagetbig

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Ok, I'm 32 been training for years and done many PH cycles...

My question is, does the avg. guy doing a 12 week cycle of test E only @500mg per week need AI's on hand.

Im not prone to gyno but am starting this with nolva/clomid for PCT but wanted to know if its ok to not incluse a SERM "during cycle"?

thanks in advance for help
 
mewannagetbig said:
Ok, I'm 32 been training for years and done many PH cycles...

My question is, does the avg. guy doing a 12 week cycle of test E only @500mg per week need AI's on hand.

Im not prone to gyno but am starting this with nolva/clomid for PCT but wanted to know if its ok to not incluse a SERM "during cycle"?

thanks in advance for help
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I believe those are SERMS. Do you mean without an AI?
 
yes.


you dont need it but if gyno starts to form how will you prevent the lump from growing in size? get some adex. run .5mg ED or EOD while on.....adex aint letro but its way more potent than aromasin. Adex will control the lump, it may not get rid of it like letro but will give you another 4-5wks to get some letro.


nolva/clomid are serms for pct. AI's are letro, adex, aromasin.
 
mewannagetbig said:
yes I meant AI...Dont some go all cycle without gyno and no AI?? just wondering...also AI's are not OTC right?
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True. In fact, if you dont need it (if youre not gyno prone) there is a handful of reasons you want to have some estrogen, among which is better gains.

Erase and Formastanzol are both otc AI's. I've used them both in PCTs, as well as cycles.

The perscription AIs like Letro are very powerful, and can be overkill in many cases. The side effects are not fun (mood,libido,estrogen depletion gyno). Dont use these unless you got some real lumps that arent shrinking.
 
I realize you've ran some PH cycles before, but test is the dark side and the dark side is another animal bro. Granted, a solo test cycle isn't like running tren, but 500mgs of test can still give you unwanted sides. Injectable AAS can be ran longer (12 weeks) than a PH (typically 4-6 weeks) because it's not passing through the liver. This gives it more time for gyno to arise if you're not careful. It's best to have an AI on hand bro. You may be fine without it, but gyno isn't any fun and can be a mothertrucker to get rid of. Keep it on the safe side and have an AI on hand in case you start to feel any puffy or itchy sensations around the nips. As far as a SERM, clomid and nolva are SERMS and yes, you will want one or the other in your PCT! I am a clomid fan, but nolva is fine too. Run your SERM of chose for 4 weeks. Run a test booster alongside the SERM also, and run it for an extra 2-4 weeks. Your body will be completely shut down with 500mgs of test, so a proper PCT is important. You will want an AI like Erase during your PCT because there's a good chance for estrogen rebound.
 
xtreme1087 said:
Run a test booster alongside the SERM also, and run it for an extra 2-4 weeks.
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as far as TB you mean like HCG? I've studied that and it seems confusing with all the mixing of IU's.

thanks Mediocre and X for your feedback, ive ordered some Arimidex just in case
 
xtreme1087 said:
I realize you've ran some PH cycles before, but test is the dark side and the dark side is another animal bro. Granted, a solo test cycle isn't like running tren, but 500mgs of test can still give you unwanted sides. Injectable AAS can be ran longer (12 weeks) than a PH (typically 4-6 weeks) because it's not passing through the liver. This gives it more time for gyno to arise if you're not careful. It's best to have an AI on hand bro. You may be fine without it, but gyno isn't any fun and can be a mothertrucker to get rid of. Keep it on the safe side and have an AI on hand in case you start to feel any puffy or itchy sensations around the nips. As far as a SERM, clomid and nolva are SERMS and yes, you will want one or the other in your PCT! I am a clomid fan, but nolva is fine too. Run your SERM of chose for 4 weeks. Run a test booster alongside the SERM also, and run it for an extra 2-4 weeks. Your body will be completely shut down with 500mgs of test, so a proper PCT is important. You will want an AI like Erase during your PCT because there's a good chance for estrogen rebound.
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^ this ^ good advice for you...
He means a test booster like DAA alongside your serm in pct.
 
I'd say to have an AI on hand (a powerful one) just in case, and to have something like Erase as well to help if you feel you are carrying too much water.

ManBeast
 
mewannagetbig said:
as far as TB you mean like HCG? I've studied that and it seems confusing with all the mixing of IU's.

thanks Mediocre and X for your feedback, ive ordered some Arimidex just in case
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Use HCG during your cycle. HCG will help speed up your recovery during your PCT and it keeps your balls from shrinking as bad. Your body shuts down while on an AAS like test due to the excessive amounts of test your adding. HCG causes the brain to continue sending a message to the testes telling them to continue making natural test, which is why the balls won't shrivel as bad and you'll typically get a quicker recovery. When I say test booster, I mean like HCGenerate; completely different from HCG. HCG is an injectable used during the cycle and HCGen is a test booster used during PCT. It's one of the best. There's a lot to choose from. Your PCT would be great with a SERM (must have), test booster, some DAA, and an AI for estrogen rebound.
 
ok guys, i just received my arimidex 1 mg 50 tabs and I was wondering since I am in week 4 of a test C 600 mg a week cycle how much I should take eod? I have no current sides other than I feel like Im retaining a little water...can AI help the water I have already gained?

thanks guys
 
ok guys, i just received my arimidex 1 mg 50 tabs and I was wondering since I am in week 4 of a test C 600 mg a week cycle how much I should take eod?  I have no current sides other than I feel like Im retaining a little water...can AI help the water I have already gained?<br><br>thanks guys
 
Yes, but if it is only a little, I wouldn't worry about it, the water helps cushion your joints. Only if this is meant to be a pure cut cycle would I even bother with it (or if the water gets worse or other sides like gyno pop up). If you really want to knock down the water retention start at .25 e3d and see how that works.

ManBeast
 
Nope, if anything it *could* help by allowing you to lift harder without stressing your joints. It should shed naturally during your pct as well.

ManBeast
 
Low doses of an AI won't hurt results enough to make much of a difference. It's better to be safe than sorry. I always recommend taking an AI while on an AAS starting the 3rd week just to keep gyno in check. Gyno can pop up real quick, prone to it or not. And it doesn't go away nearly as quick lol. I would do as Beast suggested and take .25mgs e3d. That's a good light dosing that'll keep your sides in check. It's best not to risk it.
 
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