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knox said:
... "survival of the fittest" idea...
I think you've got the wrong idea of what many of us are referring to.

The idea doesn't have to be applied in a singular fashion, nor does it have to be aggressive or violent. There doesn't even have to be any direct interaction between cultures.

I.E. You can have two human settlements on opposite ends of the earth, both in a similar habitat, yet one is unable to adapt, or violence plagues the society and in the end that settlement does not prosper whereas the other does. Survival of the fittest on a singular level may exist, but as far as the society, the society is weak.

Just thought I'd throw that in there...
 
VG, I hate to contridict on the main reason that AIDS is rampant in Africa but it somes to be that is WAY to many of the cases are vertical transmission cases, passed from mother to fetus by way placenta PLUS it has hit "straight" communities just as bad.. I really think you might want to go do a little bit more reading about this pandemic. Invalid Link Removed

I didn't mean the main reason AIDS is rampant in Africa was because of homosexual anal sex. I used that example to show that anal sex does pass the HIV virus easily. Anal sex is rampant in Africa by straight people as well. In other words people in Africa are having allot of unprotected sex with many people and anal sex is frequently practiced in the straight populations, which is one of the reasons it's being spread. This topic is never mentioned. I skimmed an article somewhere that said it is pretty common for 10 year olds to be having sex in Africa recently. Obviously there are other factors that come into play such as passing it on in the fetus as you mentioned. In the context of AIDS not being spread to the straight population I was referring to here not Africa.
 
its still a good example the reason I chose it was to show American interference, not just Western. We still fucked that country up and it is effecting it today.

I still have no idea what your position is other than we should be ashamed.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I think you've got the wrong idea of what many of us are referring to.

The idea doesn't have to be applied in a singular fashion, nor does it have to be aggressive or violent. There doesn't even have to be any direct interaction between cultures.

I.E. You can have two human settlements on opposite ends of the earth, both in a similar habitat, yet one is unable to adapt, or violence plagues the society and in the end that Invalid Link Removed does not prosper whereas the other does. Survival of the fittest on a singular level may exist, but as far as the society, the society is weak.

Just thought I'd throw that in there...
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VanillaGorilla said:
I skimmed an article somewhere that said it is pretty common for 10 year olds to be having sex in Africa recently. Obviously there are other factors that come into play such as passing it on in the fetus as you mentioned. In the context of AIDS not being spread to the straight population I was referring to here not Africa.

I wish you could point me to that article because I would like to take a look at it
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I skimmed an article somewhere that said it is pretty common for 10 year olds to be having sex in Africa recently.
:eek: I was just trying to get legos to fit together.
 
UNDERTAKER said:
Now that I understand that you disagree with the book I can accept your opinion, I was under the impression what you stated was actually what the author was trying to say. Your Japan example is a good one and I partially conceed to it. I commend you for actually taking the time to read it.
Saying "oh im sorry i slipped up again" is a lame excuse for an apology. one slip is is okay, but twice means its in the nature of that person to say such things.

you should have accepted my opinion in the first place. and if you had read my post like others did, you would have understood that it was my interpretation, not me stating qoutes. please keep your "passion" in check before casting judgements.

the book is very fascinating. i have learned so much. the author is a very intelligent person and writes extremely well. i am still finishing so i will do a more detailed review of the book when i am complete.
 
Mrs. Gimpy said:
Saying "oh im sorry i slipped up again" is a lame excuse for an apology. one slip is is okay, but twice means its in the nature of that person to say such things.
:)
 
This economist believes free handouts to Africa is hindering much of the continent's ability to help and feed themselves.

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Economist Blames Aid for Africa Famine

By TODD PITMAN, Associated Press Writer Sun Jul 31, 2:22 AM ET



DAKAR, Senegal - In Niger, a desert country twice the size of Texas, most of the 11 million people live on a dollar a day. Forty percent of children are underfed, and one out of four dies before turning 5. And that's when things are normal. Throw in a plague of locusts, and a familiar spectacle emerges: skeletal babies, distended bellies, people too famished to brush the flies from their faces.

To the aid workers charged with saving the dying, the immediate challenge is to raise relief money and get supplies to the stricken areas. They leave it to the economists and politicians to come up with a lasting remedy. One such economist is James Shikwati. He blames foreign aid.

"When aid money keeps coming, all our policy-makers do is strategize on how to get more," said the Kenya-based director of the Inter Region Economic Network, an African think tank.

"They forget about getting their own people working to solve these very basic problems. In Africa, we look to outsiders to solve our problems, making the victim not take responsibility to change."

Moving the aid can be nightmare in itself. Africa's good roads are few, and often pass through the front lines of civil wars. But Shikwati notes an additional problem: Even African countries that have food to spare can't easily share it because tariffs on agricultural products within sub-Saharan Africa average as high as 33 percent, compared with 12 percent on similar products imported from Europe.
"It doesn't make sense when they can't even allow their neighbors to feed them. They have to wait for others in Europe or Asia to help," he said. "We don't have any excuses in Africa. We can't blame nature. We have to tell our leadership to open up and get people producing food."

Nature, of course, does bear some of the blame. Recurring drought is a part of life in Africa. Farmers have learned to cope, but exploding population growth sucks up water, pasture and livestock.

Many food crises result from bad government and civil wars. For 30 years after winning independence from France, Niger was ruled by coup and military dictatorship. Now it's a peaceful multiparty democracy, but its desert is getting bigger and drought is unrelenting

All it took was the locust swarms of a year ago, the worst in 15 years, to start tipping Niger over the edge. The crop-devouring insects ravaged some 7,000 square miles of Niger farmland. The combined drought-locust onslaught cut cereal production by 15 percent last year, according to the Invalid Link Removed.

At first, few noticed. Places like Niger "were never on anybody's radar screen. They're not considered important, geopolitically or resource-wise," said Cathy Skoula, executive director of U.S.-based Action Against Hunger. "It comes down to a question of priorities. But any human life is important."

Aid groups say Niger's catastrophe could have been averted — that early warning systems were in place, and the United Nations and other humanitarian agencies warned of imminent food shortages late last year.

In November, Niger's government issued an emergency appeal for 78,000 tons of food. Donors, busy with higher-profile crises, barely responded.

The following month came the Indian Ocean tsunami that entirely eclipsed Africa's misery on the world's TV screens.

Aid workers say heading off famine needs long-term, steady funding.

"Prevention doesn't sell that much," said Stefanie Savariaud, spokeswoman for the U.N. World Food Program in Niger's capital, Niamey. "The world has to wait for images of dying children to react. The question is, how to mobilize the international community when it's still preventable?"

Ironically, only three weeks ago the world's attention was fixed on Africa again, when the G-8 summit pledged to double African aid to $50 billion and granted 18 of its countries debt forgiveness, including Niger. At the same time, rock concerts televised worldwide made sure Africa's troubles stayed high on the global agenda.

A week later, TV pictures of hungry people began beaming out of Niger, and donors reached for their wallets. But the World Food Program has only raised $9 million of the $16 million it appealed for, Savariaud said.



At a feeding center in Mada Roufa, in eastern Niger, Mai Sali, a local employee of the international relief organization Invalid Link Removed, praised those efforts, but agreed crisis aid was not the answer.

"We need to find other long-term solutions. We can't just address emergencies," he said.

___ EDITOR'S NOTE: Todd Pitman has covered West Africa for The Associated Press since 1997. He is based in Dakar, Senegal.
 
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Reminds me of what welfare does here at home. I'm not 100% against welfare, but our welfare system needs MAJOR reform. I.E. first thing I would do is to make welfare recipients work for the gov't. I don't care if they have to pickup trash on the sides of freeways. You want money, you work. Plain and simple. Once they realize they HAVE to work, we'll weed out those who are being lazy and it will be a legitimate option for those of us who may have just run into bum luck--the ones who don't mind working (which I think are the minority of welfare recipients--easily).

Sorry about the o/t. :)
 
Not the article I read but..........

Juggie Naran, Independent (Cape Town), July 10


One out of every three children is having sex at the age of 10, and 17 out of 100 will deliberately spread the virus if they know they are HIV-positive.

These are the findings of a comprehensive survey by the Community Information, Empowerment and Transparency (CIET Africa) in November and December 2002.

CIET is a worldwide network of professionals from a variety of disciplines that provide technical support to communities to enable them to participate in an informed way in decisions that affect their lives.

The results of the study have already been used to develop life skills education materials, called “Beyond Victims and Villains�, adapted to meet the standards of the revised national curriculum. The survey was published in the British Medical Journal last year.

The study involved 269 905 pupils in Grades 6 to 11 in all language groups, across a range of schools and from all nine provinces.

Some of the other disturbing findings included that, at 18, two out of every three children had had sex. Two out of 10 pupils did not believe condoms prevented pregnancy or other sexually transmitted diseases.

One in 10 said they believed sex with a virgin could cure HIV/Aids, and one in 10 had been raped in the past year. Three out of every 100 pupils thought that girls liked sexually violent boys and one out of every 10 thought that girls who got raped, asked for it, according to the study.

The study further stated people were becoming sexually active earlier and belief systems about sex supported sexually violent and sexually irresponsible behaviour.

“It is not surprising that 43 percent of all sexual crimes committed on children reported to Childline, were committed by children under 18,� the study reported.

Despite widespread preventive interventions, reports of sexual abuse had increased. Reported incidents do not reflect the scale of the problem. CIET Africa research concluded that of every 394 offences committed, only 272 were reported.

“Only 17 of these become dockets of which five are referred to court for prosecution. One docket in every five gets ‘lost’ and only one conviction is secured,� said the study.

Some of the reasons for not reporting rape were shame, feelings of guilt, lack of access to a reporting point, intimidation, adult gate-keeping, an emotional bond with the abuser and economic dependence.

The study also challenged myths:

Damage to the child was irreparable. Children can, in fact, heal. It is essential to acknowledge and support the child’s capacity to heal and benefit from therapy and a healing environment.

Children can say “no� to abuse. This can put children at greater risk as it creates an expectation of safety. Children often cannot say “no� because the abuser is more powerful physically and psychologically. There is a universal norm of respect for an older person that most children have internalised. Older people have access to resources children may need or want and use these to manipulate the child.

Abused children will develop into adult abusers. While this is sometimes true, it was not true for the majority of victims—girls.

Public campaigns and activism, said the study, had very little impact on service provision in respect of prevention or management.

Research indicated that a secure childhood was seen as one of the most critical factors in developing mature and responsible adults. But, the study recommended that life skills education in schools focused on the inculcation of a human and child rights culture.

Life skills needed to focus on not only the pursuit of protecting and claiming a person’s rights but also the protection of the rights of others, particularly the rights of those who were vulnerable.

Educational psychologist Salochani Govender supported the CIET Africa research findings. The time had arrived for South Africa to become pro-active and this had to start at home and school, she said.

Education on sexuality, HIV and Aids, creating attitudes of empowerment and growth and developing a transformational mindset were the keys to moving forward, said Govender.

The education department had life skills, sexuality and HIV programmes as well as pupil support material for supporting youth in a trained and nurturing environment in which issues could be discussed.

The Advice Desk for the Abused executive director, Fatima Bayat, said it was very disappointing and sad to note that rape and sexual assault were dominating society.

“Our youth, including young children, are sexually active.�

There were numerous reasons why young people displayed inappropriate sexual behaviour patterns, said Bayat.

“Media, especially television, plays a very influential role to enhance kids’ curiosity and encourages them to become sexually active. Explicit messages with sexual connotations are common.

“Often young girls, deprived of financial security and love, become victims of rape or consenting to sex for fear of rejection,� said Bayat.

KwaZulu-Natal department of education spokesperson, Christy Naude, was not available for comment
 
VanillaGorilla said:
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One out of every three children is having sex at the age of 10, and 17 out of 100 will deliberately spread the virus if they know they are HIV-positive.....
Wow...that's so disturbing I don't know whether to laugh hysterically or puke.

WTF is wrong with this picture? 33 1/3% of pre-pubescent children are sexually active and 17% [of whom?] will deliberately spread HIV? Yep...I'm convinced. I'm writing a check. :rolleyes:

I hope to God this info is incorrect, but I highly doubt it.
 
Its an article of South Africa which can hardly be considered representative of Africa.
Is there a similar article about African countries who are receiving alot of humanitarian aid?
 
An article in South Africa regarding Africa? Its part of the African continent...which country would you rather see the study come out of?

Of course it cannot be representative of Africa, its a study, not a collective will. E.G. a political move may not be representative of the American will, but a statistical research paper from the USA can be accurate regarding the North American continent. Catch my drift? Apples and oranges.

It may or may not be correct, but I believe its probably fairly accurate. Many see me as a pessimist, but I'm really just a cynical realist :lol:
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
An article in South Africa regarding Africa? Its part of the African continent...which country would you rather see the study come out of?
LOL

let me see if i want to see if california's students are doing better than say.....i dont know...whereever....and i personally want to make it look like cali's students are smarter than they are....would i take a study from compten or san diego...HMMMM

LOLOLOLOL:icon_lol:
 
My statement was in this context.
Originally Posted by VanillaGorilla
I skimmed an article somewhere that said it is pretty common for 10 year olds to be having sex in Africa recently. Obviously there are other factors that come into play such as passing it on in the fetus as you mentioned. In the context of AIDS not being spread to the straight population I was referring to here not Africa.

And the US is a heck of a lot more heterogenous, united and egalitarian than Africa. Someone from Boston can understand and talk to a person from Louisiana after he spits out the baccy.

And S.A. has only very recently crawled out from the dark ages of White Aparthied.
 
MarcusG said:
My statement was in this context.


And the US is a heck of a lot more heterogenous, united and egalitarian than Africa. Someone from Boston can understand and talk to a person from Louisiana after he spits out the baccy.

And S.A. has only very recently crawled out from the dark ages of White Aparthied.
What? The aparthied just switched feet, that's all. Was w-> b now its b->w and much more violent.

I believe you were thinking "homogenous" (homo=same). And racially, that is not true at all. However, you are right that for the most part we do (did maybe???) share a common language which, despite accents, can be understood by everyone.

Point being, SA can definitely produce an objective study on the situation in Africa. hell, so could Japan, Poland, or any other new world / industrialized country, whether or not they are attached to the same continent, with a bit of good unbiased research.

I mean, do you have HIV is a yes or no answer. Would you willingly spread it is prety straight forward, too. None of these statistics seems easy to skew. The only other option would be pulling numbers out of their asses, which I don't believe is the case.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
What? The aparthied just switched feet, that's all. Was w-> b now its b->w and much more violent.

I believe you were thinking "homogenous" (homo=same). And racially, that is not true at all. However, you are right that for the most part we do (did maybe???) share a common language which, despite accents, can be understood by everyone.

Point being, SA can definitely produce an objective study on the situation in Africa. hell, so could Japan, Poland, or any other new world / industrialized country, whether or not they are attached to the same continent, with a bit of good unbiased research.
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Yes I slipped up, what I meant was Africa is more heterogeneous than the US.

S.A. has had a white dominant minority for a long while which caused alot of problems including 10yr olds having sex. b->w is democratic payback.

And post some sources about b->w. I'd like to read up about it.
 
WTF are you talking about? Democratic "payback"?

And, now you're blaming the whites in Africa for the natives having sex at 10 and willingly spreading the disease to others? That makes no sense whatsoever, especially when the same problem dont' exist in their community.

I understand that the whites inconvenienced the natives a great deal. Especially when SA was part of the British Empire. But come on!? You cannot blame things like that on them and then say that the government endorsed murder is just "democratic payback". There is NOTHING DEMOCRATIC ABOUT IT.

I'm about to buy you a websters.

Maybe karma with interest would be a phrase that works, but its a) unjustified and b) entirely incorrect to say it's "democratic payback".

Oh well, now that the natives are attempting to murder all of the farm owning whites, the food production has hit the toilets and starvation is increasing. Maybe t hey should have learned how to farm before cutting off the hand that feeds them.
 
There is some sort of affirmative action for the 4 decades of aparthied. If you call that b->w aparthied then so it is.

I said democratic payback because democracy empowered the blacks and the Boers created this situation that they are in now.
 
If you think affirmative action is all that's happening in SA right now, i'd suggest hitting the news stands.

Mandela is a baaad man and SA is full of problems ATM.
 
I had a few things to add, but this thread is so amazing that I cannot even put them into words right now. There is just so much here. I advise you all to reread it from the beginning and you will see a lot of inconsistancies between the insults.

UT, You stated yourself that some cultures never had a chance to thrive.

That is the very essence of SOTF.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
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Reminds me of what welfare does here at home. I'm not 100% against welfare, but our welfare system needs MAJOR reform. I.E. first thing I would do is to make welfare recipients work for the gov't. I don't care if they have to pickup trash on the sides of freeways. You want money, you work. Plain and simple. Once they realize they HAVE to work, we'll weed out those who are being lazy and it will be a legitimate option for those of us who may have just run into bum luck--the ones who don't mind working (which I think are the minority of welfare recipients--easily).

Sorry about the o/t. :)


Agree 100% with this. Welfare and how we just willing give it out for the smallest thing really annoys me. I do NOT want to give my money away for someone who is not spending time looking for a job. If he can't find one, i agree, have them clean up our streets, have them do SOMETHING. There is always something that could be done. If they truely cant find work and have some kind of a disability, than that is another story. Either way, good post. :clap2:
 
snakebyte05 said:
Agree 100% with this. Welfare and how we just willing give it out for the smallest thing really annoys me. I do NOT want to give my money away for someone who is not spending time looking for a job. If he can't find one, i agree, have them clean up our streets, have them do SOMETHING. There is always something that could be done. If they truely cant find work and have some kind of a disability, than that is another story. Either way, good post. :clap2:
EXACTLY....and this is ample proof, IMHO, that those in favor of welfare want it for votes. Otherwise, welfare wouldn't be afforded to those who sit on their asses and do nothing.
 
snakebyte05 said:
Agree 100% with this. Welfare and how we just willing give it out for the smallest thing really annoys me. I do NOT want to give my money away for someone who is not spending time looking for a job. If he can't find one, i agree, have them clean up our streets, have them do SOMETHING. There is always something that could be done. If they truely cant find work and have some kind of a disability, than that is another story. Either way, good post. :clap2:
Not really. I like and agree with a lot of what K says, but making welfare people work for the government is seriously the wrong thing to do. Government jobs of every type have a way of never ending. It wouldn't be long before these same welfare workers became a permanent government workforce, and a permanently growing workforce, because the government is never running out of things it thinks it needs to do. The reform our welfare system needs is for it to be completely scrapped and never brought back. If it exists in any form it will simply grow beyond the limits of what can be funded without raising taxes repeatedly. I know people who have fallen on hard times, I have myself once. That's what common sense (saving money) and charity are for. Any system that involuntarily redistributes wealth on any level in any way will have no future but to grow and grow, whether it's rich to poor or poor to rich redistribution.
 
CDB said:
Not really. I like and agree with a lot of what K says, but making welfare people work for the government is seriously the wrong thing to do. Government jobs of every type have a way of never ending. It wouldn't be long before these same welfare workers became a permanent government workforce, and a permanently growing workforce, because the government is never running out of things it thinks it needs to do. The reform our welfare system needs is for it to be completely scrapped and never brought back. If it exists in any form it will simply grow beyond the limits of what can be funded without raising taxes repeatedly. I know people who have fallen on hard times, I have myself once. That's what common sense (saving money) and charity are for. Any system that involuntarily redistributes wealth on any level in any way will have no future but to grow and grow, whether it's rich to poor or poor to rich redistribution.
I wouldn't entrust them to do something that is of any importance. Kicking rocks, picking berries, pulling weeds....it doesn't matter. Something useless that makes them do 'something'. I'm not implying we should be shoving them in postal vehicles or anything :lol:

I'd prefer "no welfare", but recognizing that isn't giong to happen, there is NO EXCUSE not to institute something like I outlined. TANSTAAFL, right? Well...tell that to welfare recipients.
 
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