AI or HCG?
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Wandy
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you will definitely have estrogen problems with hcg... i'm well aware they are for different uses, i'm wondering which use would be preferred over the other. i already have my pct sorted out, my question has nothing to do with pct.
nosnmiveins
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im guessing u dont have the funds for both and i will suggest not starting the cycle without having both, but i know ur not going to listen.
u can be f ucked from many angles if u dont have one or the other, so think of all the risks ur going to take without each...then compare them
u can be f ucked from many angles if u dont have one or the other, so think of all the risks ur going to take without each...then compare them
slacker86
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they address different problems. If u want to control estro and water retention u need to use an AI. If you want to make a faster recovery and get ur HPTA to turn back on ASAP u want to use HCG.
Allmost any cycle going over 8 weeks HCG is suggested. If you are prone to gyno or estro/water related side effects then use the AI.
In reality there is no real option for either of these, U need an AI on hand in the event u get some sort of estro related symptom ID gyno or itchy nips, u can either use an AI to control it or a low dose of nolva, the AI is usually a better way to go about it.
The HCG on a cycle this long really isnt an option unless u want a challenge to restart ur HPTA and the longer ur HPTA isnt turned on the more increased chance u have at losing the gains u made.
To answer ur questions simply u need both.
Allmost any cycle going over 8 weeks HCG is suggested. If you are prone to gyno or estro/water related side effects then use the AI.
In reality there is no real option for either of these, U need an AI on hand in the event u get some sort of estro related symptom ID gyno or itchy nips, u can either use an AI to control it or a low dose of nolva, the AI is usually a better way to go about it.
The HCG on a cycle this long really isnt an option unless u want a challenge to restart ur HPTA and the longer ur HPTA isnt turned on the more increased chance u have at losing the gains u made.
To answer ur questions simply u need both.
Wandy
Member
i definitely agree with having the ai on hand just in case.. but i didn't realize hcg was an absolute must for any cycle, even one 16 weeks in length. i've done cycles in the past that were 14 weeks and only ran nolva in pct and i think i lost maybe 2 lbs after pct, much of it probably water.
slacker86
Active member
Its not a necessity however it does make the HPTA down time much less. If you want to chance it, its really up to you. And its only suggested in cycles over 8 weeks long. And if u only lost 2 lbs it was probably all water assuming u where running some form of test.
U know your body better than anyone else and know what it can handle, just giving my opinion/what i personally use as protocol.
Wandy
Member
i've recovered fairly quickly (as far as i could tell) in the past only using nolva for 4 weeks after a cycle... but i can get hcg so cheaply if its really that good i might as well use it. what are the best ways to run it? how do you run it?
my concern is that i've heard that the absolute best way is for the length of the cycle... but my cycle is rather long (16 weeks) so i'm a little concerned with it doing some irreversible **** to my berries. can it be run successfully just before pct for only a couple weeks? the idea of that sounds a lot safer than running it for the whole cycle.
unc21
Member
HCG can be run for longer periods, usually starting around week 4 or 5 of longer cycles. You shouldnt have any issues with running it from that point til the end of your cycle. Ive done it before, although, I usually tend not to need it even for longer cycles just because I havent found it necessary for myself.
slacker86
Active member
i personally use hcg on 20 week cycles starting on week 4 doing 250 IU's twice a week for total of 500IU's/week. I usually do it on a monday and thursdays.
Can it cause desnsesitization? yes it can however the short period befire PCT and very high doseages can also cause desensitization, so really its up to you and the research you do to decide the best method of how to run it.
I will say when i did my first 12 week test cycle i felt like my HPTA was back on by the middle of week 2 of PCT. And i never had any testicular atrophe.
Can it cause desnsesitization? yes it can however the short period befire PCT and very high doseages can also cause desensitization, so really its up to you and the research you do to decide the best method of how to run it.
I will say when i did my first 12 week test cycle i felt like my HPTA was back on by the middle of week 2 of PCT. And i never had any testicular atrophe.
omni
Active member
Thats the point I was trying to get across. AI's And Hcg are usually considered Pct. Many bodybuilders use them durring cycle to fight estrogen and keep their "boys" in play. I've used a $h!t load of gear, but he didn't seem interested in any real advice. Problem with young guys.