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mikeymike85 said:
Dude, 50g a day of Kratom a day? Holy moley, I get nauseous anything above 10g at a time
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I’d puke after the gym or randomly every other day. I lived on Ginger Ale(NA beer)And then I got to a point where it went away totally and I could eat 25grams in one sitting. Tryna taper down to nothing now though.
 
Matthersby said:
I actually still buy it by the kilo. Just easier to taper knowing I have plenty of it..
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Yeah i know what you mean. I was trying to taper for about 6 months and was really making no progress and my wife finally cut me off but that was what i needed
 
My GF still doesn’t know. She finds a capsule here or there and I just say it’s Kava that I take a lot of to calm me. She’d trip if she found a labeled bag “kilo Maeng Da”

Ugh, I’ll get there, I was sober all 2016 and most 2017, didn’t even use nicotine. Loved how free I was, but I’m close, just gotta stay focused and get under 5 grams a day and jump off for good...
 
This is our thread now!

I never successfully could taper off anything. I craved getting higher too much and when it was time to get clean I always went with the fastest option - cold turkey. I went cold turkey off oxy, H, and kratom. I’m surprised I’m not totally insane from all those sleepless nights. 30 days for suboxone though? I couldn’t do that. That’s why I only ever used that stuff in extreme emergencies, but not consistently. You can do it Mathersby F*ck drinking that green goop!
 
This is our thread now!

I never successfully could taper off anything. I craved getting higher too much and when it was time to get clean I always went with the fastest option - cold turkey. I went cold turkey off oxy, H, and kratom. I’m surprised I’m not totally insane from all those sleepless nights. 30 days for suboxone though? I couldn’t do that. That’s why I only ever used that stuff in extreme emergencies, but not consistently. You can do it Mathersby F*ck drinking that green goop!
 
This is our thread now!

I never successfully could taper off anything. I craved getting higher too much and when it was time to get clean I always went with the fastest option - cold turkey. I went cold turkey off oxy, H, and kratom. I’m surprised I’m not totally insane from all those sleepless nights. 30 days for suboxone though? I couldn’t do that. That’s why I only ever used that stuff in extreme emergencies, but not consistently. You can do it Mathersby F*ck drinking that green goop!
 
I jumped off methadone at 60mg a day back in 2009. 2 weeks no sleep. Not even 5 minutes. Withdrawals lasted 30 days total. Haven’t touched anything other than Kratom since. And only daily use started in 2017. I should have known better, but I can’t keep doing it anymore. I wake up shivering, achey and yawning like crazy every morning and have to take it. The only thing that will fix it, is taking a couple caps less every dose. I’m down 27 caps for my morning dose. I’m just not doing cold turkey on this. Too much going on right now. Good to know so many have been here though.
 
Matthersby said:
I jumped off methadone at 60mg a day back in 2009. 2 weeks no sleep. Not even 5 minutes. Withdrawals lasted 30 days total. Haven’t touched anything other than Kratom since. And only daily use started in 2017. I should have known better, but I can’t keep doing it anymore. I wake up shivering, achey and yawning like crazy every morning and have to take it. The only thing that will fix it, is taking a couple caps less every dose. I’m down 27 caps for my morning dose. I’m just not doing cold turkey on this. Too much going on right now. Good to know so many have been here though.
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Yeah i know what you mean. Sometimes cold turkey just isnt an option
 
I know I should let this thread die but I have a question about what we were talking about. Doesn’t opiate-induced hypogonadism always heal when you come off for a while? Or does your body eventually just not return to its normal hormonal functioning after a certain amount of withdrawals?
 
In my opinion hpta function returns 100%. Steroid induced hypo, not at all. I was on Oxy, subs, methadone for almost 2 years. Got off at 31. By 32 my Test was 840. Not bad at all if you ask me. But I ran a 16 week banger of a cycle in 2015, Test never again broke 400 ever again.
 
Matthersby said:
In my opinion hpta function returns 100%. Steroid induced hypo, not at all. I was on Oxy, subs, methadone for almost 2 years. Got off at 31. By 32 my Test was 840. Not bad at all if you ask me. But I ran a 16 week banger of a cycle in 2015, Test never again broke 400 ever again.
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Wow. That’s scary. TRT doesn’t seem all the bad though. Being on it while young probably sucks. And knowing you have to rely on a drug to feel normal probably sucks.
 
I'm trying to come off kratom now and it sucks. Been on for 3.5 years straight, not a single day off. I use 5.5 grams 3x a day. My problem is work is so boring I go stir crazy if I don't take it. I really only NEED it in the evenings so I can sleep. Other than that it takes away the slightly icky feeling and helps me feel motivated at work.
 
christ83189 said:
Yeah i know what you mean. I was trying to taper for about 6 months and was really making no progress and my wife finally cut me off but that was what i needed
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How long were you on it, and how long did withdrawals last?
 
Crazy... I thought I was the only guy that hits the gym but can’t quit Kratom. I’ve been through WD’s a few time’s and have extensive ideas if anyone’s trying. Like, insanely effective ideas on how to get through withdrawal. I’m just trying to taper for another 3-6 months before I do anything drastic. I’m able to maintain and taper on $400 a month right now and it’s not hurting me financially. But I sure would love to wake up not needing it, and spend all that money on gear and peptides instead of this bullshyt
 
Matthersby said:
Crazy... I thought I was the only guy that hits the gym but can’t quit Kratom. I’ve been through WD’s a few time’s and have extensive ideas if anyone’s trying. Like, insanely effective ideas on how to get through withdrawal. I’m just trying to taper for another 3-6 months before I do anything drastic. I’m able to maintain and taper on $400 a month right now and it’s not hurting me financially. But I sure would love to wake up not needing it, and spend all that money on gear and peptides instead of this bullshyt
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Yeah ive always been the only guy i knew that was on drugs and stuff and still working out lol.
 
Matthersby said:
Crazy... I thought I was the only guy that hits the gym but can’t quit Kratom. I’ve been through WD’s a few time’s and have extensive ideas if anyone’s trying. Like, insanely effective ideas on how to get through withdrawal. I’m just trying to taper for another 3-6 months before I do anything drastic. I’m able to maintain and taper on $400 a month right now and it’s not hurting me financially. But I sure would love to wake up not needing it, and spend all that money on gear and peptides instead of this bullshyt
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Yeah I'm tired of depending on it. At a party, or casino or something at midninght and start feeling ****ty, like ok time to go to the car and fix a water bottle full of this nasty **** after I've been drinking all day and night. It gets old.
 
Matthersby said:
I’ve been through WD’s a few time’s and have extensive ideas if anyone’s trying. Like, insanely effective ideas on how to get through withdrawal.
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Please share
 
Matthersby said:
In my opinion hpta function returns 100%. Steroid induced hypo, not at all. I was on Oxy, subs, methadone for almost 2 years. Got off at 31. By 32 my Test was 840. Not bad at all if you ask me. But I ran a 16 week banger of a cycle in 2015, Test never again broke 400 ever again.
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What the f&ck......... that’s hella ****ty...
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I'm tired of depending on it. At a party, or casino or something at midninght and start feeling ****ty, like ok time to go to the car and fix a water bottle full of this nasty **** after I've been drinking all day and night. It gets old.
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You need to get a capsule machine bro
 
Dthcore said:
What the f&ck......... that’s hella ****ty...
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Yep. That's what can happen when you mess with your hormones. Luckily (if you live in a country where testosterone is legal ;)) you can buy raws and home brew a lifetime supply of test for about $300
 
mikeymike85 said:
You need to get a capsule machine bro
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Yeah I just don't like how many capsules you have to swallow, and I feel that the liquid hits me within minutes, versus lke an hour for capsules. I dunno. I just need to jump off honestly it's time
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I'm tired of depending on it. At a party, or casino or something at midninght and start feeling ****ty, like ok time to go to the car and fix a water bottle full of this nasty **** after I've been drinking all day and night. It gets old.
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Yeah it gets super old. I hated it
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yeah I just don't like how many capsules you have to swallow, and I feel that the liquid hits me within minutes, versus lke an hour for capsules. I dunno. I just need to jump off honestly it's time
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If I were you I’d jump off during a time when you don’t have work. I’d take as many days off in a row as you possibly can because it’s going to be nearly impossible to function if you quit cold turkey after 3.5 years of using. And I’d prepare a kit full of everything that could help, the number one thing being some type of benzo (but don’t get addicted to these!). For me kratom withdrawals had some weird symptoms I never experienced with any other opioid, like vertigo. And I only used it for a couple months.
 
YoungThor said:
If I were you I’d jump off during a time when you don’t have work. I’d take as many days off in a row as you possibly can because it’s going to be nearly impossible to function if you quit cold turkey after 3.5 years of using. And I’d prepare a kit full of everything that could help, the number one thing being some type of benzo (but don’t get addicted to these!). For me kratom withdrawals had some weird symptoms I never experienced with any other opioid, like vertigo. And I only used it for a couple months.
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Dont use benzos to get off. Seriously not a good idea
 
christ83189 said:
Dont use benzos to get off. Seriously not a good idea
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Tough call when you can't sleep. I'd personally use Phenibut, it works just as good as Xans IMO. Anyone on opiates should really taper slowly to property come off, a slow taper can minimize a lot of hell.
 
Well I've got a prescription for Klonipin, and several hundred valium saved up from previous scripts. I guess that will be put to use at some point, ha!
 
RickyBlobby said:
Well I've got a prescription for Klonipin, and several hundred valium saved up from previous scripts. I guess that will be put to use at some point, ha!
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Dang lol. You could use those for the withdrawals. Thats just a terrible thing to get hooked on. I speak from experience. I had something terrible happen because of benzos
 
christ83189 said:
Dang lol. You could use those for the withdrawals. Thats just a terrible thing to get hooked on. I speak from experience. I had something terrible happen because of benzos
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Yeah.
Benzos are extremely addictive, and the withdrawals can literally kill you. Be careful, man.
 
christ83189 said:
Dang lol. You could use those for the withdrawals. Thats just a terrible thing to get hooked on. I speak from experience. I had something terrible happen because of benzos
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Yeah I would probably take a couple at night to sleep only. And yeah, every time I overdo benzos I end up in jail. Mainly Xannies... I'm very aware lol

Renew1 said:
Yeah.
Benzos are extremely addictive, and the withdrawals can literally kill you. Be careful, man.
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Thanks, yeah I'm addicted, been on them for years now. Luckily I have a script so I shouldn't have to worry about running out and dying.
 
Yeah I don't fukk with Xan's any more, at ALL. If I wanna get loopy 2 V's and a 6 pack of IPA's will put me there without me waking up in jail
 
RickyBlobby said:
Please share
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Taper down a little lower if you can. You have benzos so you can sleep still. Since most of us are wizards at getting pharmaceuticals online, clonidine and gabapentin are your miracle pair. One gets rid of the WD pain, one keeps the shivers at bay. If you are lethargic due to the gabapentin and benzos, slam a Redline with a Valium. If on all 3, you still feel like shyt, you have a parachute. It’s called DXM and Loperamide. Start small, you don’t want to end up tripping on the dxm, so just 40-60 mg at once, loperamide is gonna suck a little for constipation but IT WILL STOP ALL WD’s DEAD IN THEIR TRACKS. Slam all 48, 2mg pills. Now, that will take 2 hours until you start feeling better. Do not do the same thing the next day, you’ll get hooked on Lope, which is far worse, it’s half life is ridiculous, just take 24, next day 12, next day 6. Only use what you need, if you feel ok with a Valium and gabapentin, then skip everything else, if the first 3 work but you’re still uncomfortable, add dxm only and see how you feel in an hour, still lousy? Add Lopes(these should always be last resort)
 
christ83189 said:
I didnt. I had to go through inpatient rehab. It was the only way i could do it
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Damn dude, that's scary AF. How long were you in rehab?
 
Good but you can get hooked bad if you do every day
 
johnny412 said:
what brand did you use? I looked at some a few days ago and it seems like it is color coded lol i didnt know what color to get :-)
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If you have resilient willpower then go ahead and try it. If you have a history of addiction then it’s best to stay away. It’s an opioid like opium, only weaker, and it possess some stimulant properties which make it pretty unique.

Red = most opiate like
Green = 50/50 between opiate and stimulant
White = most stimulant like

These are generalizations kratom users use to judge the potential effects of a strain. Where it comes from matters too. And strong extracts can straight up feel like a Percocet.

Just know that if you go down this road, using everyday leads to physical dependence and the withdrawals are very unpleasant.
 
YoungThor said:
If you have resilient willpower then go ahead and try it. If you have a history of addiction then it’s best to stay away. It’s an opioid like opium, only weaker, and it possess some stimulant properties which make it pretty unique.

Red = most opiate like
Green = 50/50 between opiate and stimulant
White = most stimulant like

These are generalizations kratom users use to judge the potential effects of a strain. Where it comes from matters too. And strong extracts can straight up feel like a Percocet.

Just know that if you go down this road, using everyday leads to physical dependence and the withdrawals are very unpleasant.
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very informative thank you!
 
Moon Kratom is great to order bulk from, good kratom and very cheap. Don't use it every day!
 
Damnit bro. No way I could afford to miss out on that much work. I think I'm going to work down to PM doses only and taper down from there. Just sucks because work is so monotonous, I have too much time on my hands and I think about it too much when I try to skip doses during the day.
 
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