ADVISE ME. Rate My Stack?

newbielifter66

newbielifter66

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So I placed an order and would like opinions on my stack if there is something that i should change , add or subtract.

  • M-Test
  • BASIS
  • DCP Ultra
  • SNS Pepti-plex
  • CEL MPC185
2 bottles of each to start .

Let me give you some context

40yr male

I have NEVER worked out consistently it has always been something like this.. Optimal hypertrophy workout along with exceptional diet for 2-3 months, then 18-24 months off ( going complete opposite, no gym , no cardio, diet out of the window ) , same cycle for the last 15 years. Hardly any real consistency but 110% dedication when doing it for them 2-3 months. I tend to get decent results but then get lazy and eventually end up like a fat boy again. But this time my approach is going to be a lifestyle change as age is catching up.

Currently in a right mess, I hold some muscle, all lifts progressing nicely although i do feel like im approaching a plateau soon mainly on back and possibly chest. Currently around 27% body fat.

I am recomping , slight deficit, with the goal to keep/add muscle and lose body fat since I have so much of it, i'd be happy at 15% in due course.

So your thoughts on my stack? Any additions? Any subtractions, substitutions?

Also would appreciate a stack for when i eventually get to maintenance/surplus and want to build more muscle.
 
I can relate to the part about inconsistency. I struggled with consistency when I was younger too, but mostly stuck with it. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition 15 years ago and I cannot be consistent now bc of flareups.

Everyone's life is different and we all have different factors that can affect our consistency and things that we struggle with. I try to encourage people to do the best that they can and be as consistent as they can, and to not feel discouraged or defeated if they slack off or miss and instead, to just focus on getting better and back on track as soon as life allows.

M-Test, BASIS, Pepti-Plex, and MPC-185 is a great stack - that will be good for helping with lean muscle, strength, recovery, improved fat loss, and has some really good healthy aging and longevity properties.

BASIS and Pepti-Plex could both be rebranded as anti-aging and longevity products and a great stack.

If you wanted to add anything to that stack, my suggestions would be Lean Edge, Recomp20, and Thermo Scorch. (prioritized in that order).

I really like Lean Edge because it targets fat loss through a lot of different angles.
 
sns8778 said:
I can relate to the part about inconsistency. I struggled with consistency when I was younger too, but mostly stuck with it. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition 15 years ago and I cannot be consistent now bc of flareups.

Everyone's life is different and we all have different factors that can affect our consistency and things that we struggle with. I try to encourage people to do the best that they can and be as consistent as they can, and to not feel discouraged or defeated if they slack off or miss and instead, to just focus on getting better and back on track as soon as life allows.

M-Test, BASIS, Pepti-Plex, and MPC-185 is a great stack - that will be good for helping with lean muscle, strength, recovery, improved fat loss, and has some really good healthy aging and longevity properties.

BASIS and Pepti-Plex could both be rebranded as anti-aging and longevity products and a great stack.

If you wanted to add anything to that stack, my suggestions would be Lean Edge, Recomp20, and Thermo Scorch. (prioritized in that order).

I really like Lean Edge because it targets fat loss through a lot of different angles.
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You sir I can tell are already a great asset to this forum.

I appreciate your input and I was about to order Lean edge but noticed it had gelatine listed on the image is their a VEG option?

In relation to M test is it 8 weeks on 4 weeks off? Assuming so due to potential testicular toxicity in the animal study, but you can educate me further.

Also what would you recommend once I come off my cutting phase and start to eat at maintenance or slight surplus that I remove BASIS and add something like Anabolic Effect or perhaps another stack that I have not mentioned? Just wondering how an elite bulking stack would look as I feel my current stack for fat loss,recovery and muscle retention is now complete upon your approval.

Interested to hear your recommendations for muscle grow at maintenance / surplus.
 
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Nice looking stack. Maybe not now, but I'd consider 4 caps of Urolithin B. It's my favorite natural ingredient. If your training and diet is consistent you can get some nice gains with it.
 
That is an awesome stack. If money was infinite there are more things to add, but that's not really how I do it for a few reasons. You mention consistency and I think changing supplements every 8-12 weeks or adding something new is exciting and keeps me excited to go to the gym. So I'd run your stack then maybe in 12 weeks shift to more of a fat loss goal and run something like Mtest, Alpha One, Lean Edge, and Cordarine for 8-12 weeks. Then maybe shift towards strength and drop the fat burners for Phosphatidic Acid and Prime. Always shifting to a slightly different goal with new supplements. It's exciting and helps you continue to progress.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
That is an awesome stack. If money was infinite there are more things to add, but that's not really how I do it for a few reasons. You mention consistency and I think changing supplements every 8-12 weeks or adding something new is exciting and keeps me excited to go to the gym. So I'd run your stack then maybe in 12 weeks shift to more of a fat loss goal and run something like Mtest, Alpha One, Lean Edge, and Cordarine for 8-12 weeks. Then maybe shift towards strength and drop the fat burners for Phosphatidic Acid and Prime. Always shifting to a slightly different goal with new supplements. It's exciting and helps you continue to progress.
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I completely agree with you, that was the plan, the new cycle of a stack is exciting and keeps motivation up for the exact reasons you stated. My hope is that i will move to strength and size stack ideally after these 12 weeks if im happy with results.

Just wanted suggestions on what most people use for their strength and size stack ( money isn't an issue if i make prog ) I would assume M-Test basically stays on along with pepti plex and mpc 185 ? Was thinking the addition of AE would provide some benefit?
 
I run a strength cycle for 12 weeks every year and I've experimented the last several years with what I like the most. Phosphatidic Acid XT is my favorite which also gives great muscle fullness. Prime is probably my second which for some people gives awesome strength increases, for others not as much. Urolithin B is probably right there with Prime as well which most people take 2 per day but 3 or 4 it becomes really good.

If I was going more for muscle building then yes AE, Anabolic XT, Alpha One, and still probably UroB are all great. I run Mtest year round at this point.

When I go for fat loss I will keep 1 of the muscle builders going then add in a couple fat burners.

Creatine should be a staple, SNS Multi XT is a great multivitamin that is also cheaper than other premium ones.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
I run a strength cycle for 12 weeks every year and I've experimented the last several years with what I like the most. Phosphatidic Acid XT is my favorite which also gives great muscle fullness. Prime is probably my second which for some people gives awesome strength increases, for others not as much. Urolithin B is probably right there with Prime as well which most people take 2 per day but 3 or 4 it becomes really good.

If I was going more for muscle building then yes AE, Anabolic XT, Alpha One, and still probably UroB are all great. I run Mtest year round at this point.

When I go for fat loss I will keep 1 of the muscle builders going then add in a couple fat burners.

Creatine should be a staple, SNS Multi XT is a great multivitamin that is also cheaper than other premium ones.
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Thank you sir, appreciate your experiences. Yes creatine along with other vitamins including fish oils are and have been daily for years regardless of not working out.

Is prime also by SNS ?
 
Just got two bottles of basis my self. Looks very good on paper and can’t wait to start it
 
newbielifter66 said:
You sir I can tell are already a great asset to this forum.

I appreciate your input and I was about to order Lean edge but noticed it had gelatine listed on the image is their a VEG option?

In relation to M test is it 8 weeks on 4 weeks off? Assuming so due to potential testicular toxicity in the animal study, but you can educate me further.

Also what would you recommend once I come off my cutting phase and start to eat at maintenance or slight surplus that I remove BASIS and add something like Anabolic Effect or perhaps another stack that I have not mentioned? Just wondering how an elite bulking stack would look as I feel my current stack for fat loss,recovery and muscle retention is now complete upon your approval.

Interested to hear your recommendations for muscle grow at maintenance / surplus.
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What toxicity?
 
Prime by SNS, yes. I forgot about Basis as another all around good supplement too. I took it one time for 3 bottles straight and really liked it. Just got it restocked to run again and will probably start it around May and into summer.
 
newbielifter66 said:
You sir I can tell are already a great asset to this forum.

I appreciate your input and I was about to order Lean edge but noticed it had gelatine listed on the image is their a VEG option?

In relation to M test is it 8 weeks on 4 weeks off? Assuming so due to potential testicular toxicity in the animal study, but you can educate me further.

Also what would you recommend once I come off my cutting phase and start to eat at maintenance or slight surplus that I remove BASIS and add something like Anabolic Effect or perhaps another stack that I have not mentioned? Just wondering how an elite bulking stack would look as I feel my current stack for fat loss,recovery and muscle retention is now complete upon your approval.

Interested to hear your recommendations for muscle grow at maintenance / surplus.
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Lean Edge is in gelatin capsules as of now, but will be changed to veg capsules later this year. We are changing almost everything over to clear veg capsules as we run out of existing labels.

There is no toxicity with Fadogia. You are looking at one old study that lacked so many controls that it didn't look at makeup of the herb used and didn't even look at purity or if there was any heavy metals in the sample material they were using. That study likely wouldn't even be published by today's standards.

I broke that down in great detail years ago. You can probably do a search history of my username and Fadogia and find it.

Many people use M-Test year round, including me.

My favorite stack when focusing on building muscle would be based around Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect. You could then add things on like Prime XT (if strength is a major focus), Phosphatidic Acid XT, Pepti-Bolic, etc.

You wouldn't have to take out BASIS and Pepti-Plex unless you just wanted to in order to try something different. A lot of people use them long term.
 
aman88 said:
What toxicity?
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He was talking about an old animal study on Fadogia that the quality controls, or lack thereof, were terrible on and likely wouldn't even be published in a reputable journal in today's times.

I broke it down in detail years ago, but a lot of people had already refuted that as early as the early 20teens.
 
newbielifter66 said:
I completely agree with you, that was the plan, the new cycle of a stack is exciting and keeps motivation up for the exact reasons you stated. My hope is that i will move to strength and size stack ideally after these 12 weeks if im happy with results.

Just wanted suggestions on what most people use for their strength and size stack ( money isn't an issue if i make prog ) I would assume M-Test basically stays on along with pepti plex and mpc 185 ? Was thinking the addition of AE would provide some benefit?
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Yes, those would stay. Good additions would be Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect. Alpha One is a good addition with those. Prime XT is a good addition, especially if strength gains is the primary focus.
 
sns8778 said:
Yes, those would stay. Good additions would be Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect. Alpha One is a good addition with those. Prime XT is a good addition, especially if strength gains is the primary focus.
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Thank you for your advice and guidance and also clearing up the study. So M test is fine all year round. No need to cycle.

Right in 12 weeks time ( if low enough body fat ) i'll start this new cycle then for muscle / strength gain at maintenance or slight surplus.

M TEST
MPC 185
Pepti Plex
AE
A1
Prime XT ( if need more Str )
Not quite sure about the Anabolic XT and its use-case in relation to the above stack maybe you can explain??
 
sns8778 said:
He was talking about an old animal study on Fadogia that the quality controls, or lack thereof, were terrible on and likely wouldn't even be published in a reputable journal in today's times.

I broke it down in detail years ago, but a lot of people had already refuted that as early as the early 20teens.
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How was it toxic to your testicles? Wouldn’t it be heaptoxic if anything…
 
aman88 said:
How was it toxic to your testicles? Wouldn’t it be heaptoxic if anything…
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This issue was beat to death and debunked years ago.
It was discussed all the way back when people like Synapsin, Cooper, PA, etc. still posted here.

It only came back up at all when Huberman recommended Fadogia a few years ago and so many influencer types go against anything he says to try to get clicks for themselves.

The study was poorly designed and barely met the definition of a study for even the standards of back then.
It didn't provide any information on parts of the plant used or hardly any other information at all.

It really looked like something that commonly happens in the research world where a study is set up to get the results that you want to get, so that you can then get funding for further studies to continue your research. When things like that happen and no further studies are funded, it leaves a lot of potential to misinterpret or take things as facts that are really just theories that the researchers may have wanted to further pursue.
 
sns8778 said:
This issue was beat to death and debunked years ago.
It was discussed all the way back when people like Synapsin, Cooper, PA, etc. still posted here.

It only came back up at all when Huberman recommended Fadogia a few years ago and so many influencer types go against anything he says to try to get clicks for themselves.

The study was poorly designed and barely met the definition of a study for even the standards of back then.
It didn't provide any information on parts of the plant used or hardly any other information at all.

It really looked like something that commonly happens in the research world where a study is set up to get the results that you want to get, so that you can then get funding for further studies to continue your research. When things like that happen and no further studies are funded, it leaves a lot of potential to misinterpret or take things as facts that are really just theories that the researchers may have wanted to further pursue.
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I get that I’m asking was it found, whether valid or not, to be hepatoxic or testicular toxic (which makes no sense to me how)?
 
aman88 said:
I get that I’m asking was it found, whether valid or not, to be hepatoxic or testicular toxic (which makes no sense to me how)?
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The study was performed by a Nigerian researcher in Nigeria and if you look up a list of his studies, they are all based on showing theoretical side effects of various herbals and medications on rats and rabbits.

I couldn't find a single study that he did on anything else besides those, so I would assume, but don't know for sure that that was likely his position was to do a bunch of beginner studies to see what, if any funding, they could get on future studies.

Every study I looked at by him read like a broken record - according to him, I think that everything in theory could cause testicular, liver, kidney, and other issues. He did one on some ED drugs and it basically showed the same things as all the other ones.

I'm sorry, this has been beat to death. I'm glad to explain the overview, but I don't have the time to go back into a deep dive on how ridiculous it was.

There's a thread where a group of us a few years ago were going over a bunch of studies and how impractical some of them were to the real world. It may interest you if you can find it in search.
 
sns8778 said:
The study was performed by a Nigerian researcher in Nigeria and if you look up a list of his studies, they are all based on showing theoretical side effects of various herbals and medications on rats and rabbits.

I couldn't find a single study that he did on anything else besides those, so I would assume, but don't know for sure that that was likely his position was to do a bunch of beginner studies to see what, if any funding, they could get on future studies.

Every study I looked at by him read like a broken record - according to him, I think that everything in theory could cause testicular, liver, kidney, and other issues. He did one on some ED drugs and it basically showed the same things as all the other ones.

I'm sorry, this has been beat to death. I'm glad to explain the overview, but I don't have the time to go back into a deep dive on how ridiculous it was.

There's a thread where a group of us a few years ago were going over a bunch of studies and how impractical some of them were to the real world. It may interest you if you can find it in search.
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I’ve done research lol. I just don’t see how it could be toxic just to the testicles in general.
 
aman88 said:
I’ve done research lol. I just don’t see how it could be toxic just to the testicles in general.
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I think you are misunderstanding me.

I've been agreeing with you - I'm saying that I don't understand how it can be either.

You asked me if the study said that - yes, it does. But it doesn't say how.
And I'm agreeing with you that it seems BS.

That is why I mentioned to you that if you look up that researchers studies, it says that almost everything he had ever done a "study" on can be.
 
DA_MOSS said:
Once again, shelve the supplements until you can be consistent with both your training and diet.
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I can't say I particularly agree. The supplements will help him to achieve a bit better results during this dialed in training phase, and perhaps that could be a contributing factor to better consistency moving forward.
 
sns8778 said:
I think you are misunderstanding me.

I've been agreeing with you - I'm saying that I don't understand how it can be either.

You asked me if the study said that - yes, it does. But it doesn't say how.
And I'm agreeing with you that it seems BS.

That is why I mentioned to you that if you look up that researchers studies, it says that almost everything he had ever done a "study" on can be.
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I was just trying to figure out if it actually said that. The only thing I know that is toxic specifically to testicles is radiation… I can’t think of anything oral that is. I guess other than chemical castration drugs..

Anyways, I am currently taking m test haha.
 
aman88 said:
I was just trying to figure out if it actually said that. The only thing I know that is toxic specifically to testicles is radiation… I can’t think of anything oral that is. I guess other than chemical castration drugs..

Anyways, I am currently taking m test haha.
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Gotcha. I think we were just kind of misunderstanding each other.

I'm right there with you - when I first read it that study years ago, I remember thinking wtf, I don't even see how that would be possible haha.

Then in looking up other studies by the same researcher, the common theme was that he was concluding that a lot of things could do the same things, some of which didn't seem possible and directly contradicted other studies. That gave me the impression that it was a tactic of hoping that someone would give the author or their institution more funding to pursue more studies. I actually didn't even think about at the time that it was Nigerian based research.
 
sns8778 said:
Gotcha. I think we were just kind of misunderstanding each other.

I'm right there with you - when I first read it that study years ago, I remember thinking wtf, I don't even see how that would be possible haha.

Then in looking up other studies by the same researcher, the common theme was that he was concluding that a lot of things could do the same things, some of which didn't seem possible and directly contradicted other studies. That gave me the impression that it was a tactic of hoping that someone would give the author or their institution more funding to pursue more studies. I actually didn't even think about at the time that it was Nigerian based research.
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I actually want to read that study… haha
 
AXT/AE is one of the best stacks out there. I’ve been on it for a long run and it’s treated me well. Really depends on your goals. Muscle building strength AE/AXT, Prime, Basis. Fat loss, Lean Edge, Recomp20, Basis. Alpha One for either stacks well and great pumps. I just got done taking PA, Prime, and M-Test for winter bulk and got great strength. I say half the fun is trying out different supplements and seeing which ones do what and which ones you like the best. All the SNS/CEL stuff really works and is the best.

I still want to try out Pepti-Bolic but I just love the stacks I’m on already.
 
KimChee said:
All the SNS/CEL stuff really works and is the best.
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Agreed completely here. You can not go wrong with stacking any of their products together when it comes to getting results!
 
DA_MOSS said:
Once again, shelve the supplements until you can be consistent with both your training and diet.
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Why on earth are you carrying on like you're this man's mother? It's not like he's proposing taking steroids/peptides etc., he's looking to build a solid supplement stack to assist in reaching his goals. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that you are showing up repeatedly with completely unsolicited advice to a fully grown man who is capable of making his own decisions about whether he wishes to take supplements. Your "advice" isn't helpful in the slightest.
 
max silver said:
Why on earth are you carrying on like you're this man's mother? It's not like he's proposing taking steroids/peptides etc., he's looking to build a solid supplement stack to assist in reaching his goals. It makes no sense to me whatsoever that you are showing up repeatedly with completely unsolicited advice to a fully grown man who is capable of making his own decisions about whether he wishes to take supplements. Your "advice" isn't helpful in the slightest.
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He’s doing him a service of not wasting his money on supplements and instead spending the money on good food and the basics. We all know supps beside protein and creatine are pretty much worthless. This guy would be better off using peptides and steroids than OTC supps that don’t do Jack
 
OafMister said:
He’s doing him a service of not wasting his money on supplements and instead spending the money on good food and the basics. We all know supps beside protein and creatine are pretty much worthless. This guy would be better off using peptides and steroids than OTC supps that don’t do Jack
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He's not doing any kind of "service" other than stroking his own ego and giving advice that wasn't asked for in the first place to a grown man who is trying to improve his body and health. I don't agree with you in the slightest that supplements are a waste of money as I fully believe that the modern supplement formulas have been a very effective tool in allowing me to make a ton of progress in the last year after a period where I wasn't able to use supplements due to health concerns. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that supplements are a replacement for quality food or hard work in the gym, but rather they are a useful addition to allow you to get better results from the hard work. If the money is available to cover all of his bases and he's not skimping on food then I fail to see why it's somehow a bad thing to use supplements as well.

Furthermore I think it's patently absurd that you would suggest it's better for a person who is working on establishing better consistency to potentially harm his body using steroids and peptides instead of creating a sensible supplement stack.
 
OafMister said:
He’s doing him a service of not wasting his money on supplements and instead spending the money on good food and the basics. We all know supps beside protein and creatine are pretty much worthless. This guy would be better off using peptides and steroids than OTC supps that don’t do Jack
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No one in this or any other thread has said for anyone to not focus on good food or the basics. Everyone should do that to the best of their ability, but not everyone is going to be perfect about it all the time and the important part is for people to do the best that they can do.

For some people, having a good supplement regimen helps them stick with things and keeps them accountable to themselves, and helps encourage them by helping them see results faster.

If you truly believe that about supplements, then there's a ton of science and human studies that says your wrong. You're entitled to your own opinion, but opinions don't trump science. There are many supplement ingredients that have more studies on them than some of the experimental/research chem peptides do.

It's pretty obvious from your post history that you dislike supplements and are big into steroids, peptides, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that and I'm all about personal choice, but with a 2009 join date, you've been here long enough that you should know that there are different subforums for different discussions.

If you look at the top of the subforum you're in - it's clearly titled "Supplements".

No one that is anti-steroid should go into the Anabolic section just to give people a hard time about choosing to use anabolics; just as no one from the anabolics section should come into the Supplement forum and give someone a hard time about choosing to use supplements.
 
sns8778 said:
No one in this or any other thread has said for anyone to not focus on good food or the basics. Everyone should do that to the best of their ability, but not everyone is going to be perfect about it all the time and the important part is for people to do the best that they can do.

For some people, having a good supplement regimen helps them stick with things and keeps them accountable to themselves, and helps encourage them by helping them see results faster.

If you truly believe that about supplements, then there's a ton of science and human studies that says your wrong. You're entitled to your own opinion, but opinions don't trump science. There are many supplement ingredients that have more studies on them than some of the experimental/research chem peptides do.

It's pretty obvious from your post history that you dislike supplements and are big into steroids, peptides, etc.

There's nothing wrong with that and I'm all about personal choice, but with a 2009 join date, you've been here long enough that you should know that there are different subforums for different discussions.

If you look at the top of the subforum you're in - it's clearly titled "Supplements".

No one that is anti-steroid should go into the Anabolic section just to give people a hard time about choosing to use anabolics; just as no one from the anabolics section should come into the Supplement forum and give someone a hard time about choosing to use supplements.
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Yeah I mean you’re a great dude and I get it you have your supplement company and produce some good stuff. Hell Ive bought multiple things from you lol.

The point I was making is there are way to many naive ppl who think they’ll look like a “bodybuilder” by using massive amounts of “supplements “ instead of actually using anabolics or GH that bodybuilders use to look the way they do. Many supplement companies unlike yourself capitalize off that stigma and prey upon the normies in that fashion.

Supplements like ancillary stuff like fish oil, citrus bergmont (I’m not a fan use a damn statin lol), astragalus root etc. def have a place in most longevity stacks but people loading up on natural test booster crud expecting to look like a body builder from it’s use will be sorely disappointed.
 
I do realize I’m in the supplement thread so I will bow out now lol sorry
 
OafMister said:
Yeah I mean you’re a great dude and I get it you have your supplement company and produce some good stuff. Hell Ive bought multiple things from you lol.

The point I was making is there are way to many naive ppl who think they’ll look like a “bodybuilder” by using massive amounts of “supplements “ instead of actually using anabolics or GH that bodybuilders use to look the way they do. Many supplement companies unlike yourself capitalize off that stigma and prey upon the normies in that fashion.

Supplements like ancillary stuff like fish oil, citrus bergmont (I’m not a fan use a damn statin lol), astragalus root etc. def have a place in most longevity stacks but people loading up on natural test booster crud expecting to look like a body builder from it’s use will be sorely disappointed.
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Thank you. I appreciate that.

I do agree that way too many companies do prey on people and try to sell them on the idea of unrealistic results, like in your example, companies trying to 'sell' people on making them think that they are going to look like a bodybuilder because they take a handful of supplements. And sadly, it's usually the ones that are ineffective or underdosed as heck that use those sales tactics to begin with. But from what I've read, that isn't even the want or desire of the person that posted the thread - and I've seen several people when discussing supplements with him emphasize realistic expectations.

Let me add some context and hopefully that may help with this situation.

The person that posted this thread has posted his story and situation in several threads. He shared that he has worked out on and off and had never been very consistent, but that he had been now and was looking to add some supplements to help him.

I haven't seen anyone in any of the threads say that he doesn't need to make sure he is focusing on his diet and training, and he's addressed that himself that he has been.

I know the way I always explain it is that supplements are not meant to take the place of proper diet and exercise, they are meant to help you get better results from your diet and exercise. The better you eat and the better you train, the better you allow the supplements to help you get better results.

I can relate to his experience with not being able to be super consistent because 15 years ago I was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition and I'm no longer able to be very consistent because of flare-ups. So I always try to encourage people to do the best they can and that it's okay not to be perfect with it because we all have different lifestyle factors that affect us as individuals and just to do the best that they can do.

There are some great natural testosterone boosters available - no, they aren't going to make you look like a bodybuilder, but by increasing your natural testosterone levels, they can help you feel better, perform better, and recover better, all of which are great for fitness and quality of life goals.

I don't want to keep discussing and take away from the thread, but you're welcome to pm me if you want to. I appreciate the respectful reply.
 
DA_MOSS said:
Felt so strong you had to reply twice huh?

Dude posted on a message board, every reply is solicited you dunce.

maybe you should be his motivational coach since you care about him that much.

And, at least peptides and steroids may actually give him the motivation he’s clearly seeking
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The guy asked for some opinions about whether he built an effective supplement stack, and instead of contributing literally even a shred of useful information to the thread you instead told him he shouldn't bother. He's obviously already decided to utilize supplements and it's completely useless for you to sit on your soapbox telling him that he's somehow not allowed to use supplements as a grown ass man because you don't think he's earned it or whatever weird reasoning you choose to utilize.

You don't quite seem to grasp the difference between solicited and unsolicited advice. He has already purchased supplements and was looking for opinions on the effectiveness of his stack. People that are actually answering his questions are offering solicited advice as that was what he was actively seeking. You on the other hand entered the thread and immediately trashed his plan completely as if he's somehow not worthy of using supplements to reach his goals. Your advice was not asked for in any way, shape or form, and as such falls directly into the category of unsolicited advice.

And given your basic lack of understanding of simple concepts I'm not surprised that you would also claim that someone who has trouble with consistency would be better off using peptides and steroids despite the health risks associated with them.
 
max silver said:
The guy asked for some opinions about whether he built an effective supplement stack, and instead of contributing literally even a shred of useful information to the thread you instead told him he shouldn't bother. He's obviously already decided to utilize supplements and it's completely useless for you to sit on your soapbox telling him that he's somehow not allowed to use supplements as a grown ass man because you don't think he's earned it or whatever weird reasoning you choose to utilize.

You don't quite seem to grasp the difference between solicited and unsolicited advice. He has already purchased supplements and was looking for opinions on the effectiveness of his stack. People that are actually answering his questions are offering solicited advice as that was what he was actively seeking. You on the other hand entered the thread and immediately trashed his plan completely as if he's somehow not worthy of using supplements to reach his goals. Your advice was not asked for in any way, shape or form, and as such falls directly into the category of unsolicited advice.

And given your basic lack of understanding of simple concepts I'm not surprised that you would also claim that someone who has trouble with consistency would be better off using peptides and steroids despite the health risks associated with them.
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OafMister said:
He’s doing him a service of not wasting his money on supplements and instead spending the money on good food and the basics. We all know supps beside protein and creatine are pretty much worthless. This guy would be better off using peptides and steroids than OTC supps that don’t do Jack
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Not really....

I probably eat cleaner than anyone here, nothing to do with eating clean or working out. I eat ONLY organic NON-GMO foods , macros , mico , trace minerals are all on point. I have a chef who cooks my food profile that I require customised bymyself.

If im on and committed then im on and committed 110%, there is no harm in spending money to help you along the way. I know the capabilities and expectation of supplements im not 9, otherwise I would have gone straight to peptides and become an influencer.

I don't mind spending £300-400 a month even if means i only gain 5-10% . That 5% may only make a difference in my mood and determination, that mood and determination is the difference of me pushing the last rep or not.

I'm not expecting exceptional hypertrophy gains, but i'll take any little that helps whether that be slightly better test, mood, determination, all in all it provides motivation to stay consistent.

Part of that journey is rotating supplements to SEE if anything does change , that alone keeps me intrigued and consistent to see if something works or not.

I have ZERO interest in peptides ( at least for now ) maybe in 5 years or more i'll consider TRT who knows.
I do NOT want to be a pro bodybuilder so steroids and anabolics are of no interest.

So yeah, would agree in saying that DA_MOSS's reply is rubbish. (Especially for someone whos been a member since 2016)

That 1 sentence is complete waffle about something irrelevant, didn't even answer the question.
Also condescending to some degree. A reply I would expect from someone in their teens tbh.

I was a semi pro Muay Thai boxer for many years in my 20's until ACL tear.
Commitment and diet is not an issue.

Not sure if there is a sub cat for MEN, or over 30/40's. May start posting in there.
 
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newbielifter66 said:
Not really....

I probably eat cleaner than anyone here, nothing to do with eating clean or working out. I eat ONLY organic NON-GMO foods , macros , mico , trace minerals are all on point. I have a chef who cooks my food profile that I require customised bymyself.

If im on and committed then im on and committed 110%, there is no harm in spending money to help you along the way. I know the capabilities and expectation of supplements im not 9, otherwise I would have gone straight to peptides and become an influencer.

I don't mind spending £300-400 a month even if means i only gain 5-10% . That 5% may only make a difference in my mood and determination, that mood and determination is the difference of me pushing the last rep or not.

I'm not expecting exceptional hypertrophy gains, but i'll take any little that helps whether that be slightly better test, mood, determination, all in all it provides motivation to stay consistent.

Part of that journey is rotating supplements to SEE if anything does change , that alone keeps me intrigued and consistent to see if something works or not.

I have ZERO interest in peptides ( at least for now ) maybe in 5 years or more i'll consider TRT who knows.
I do NOT want to be a pro bodybuilder so steroids and anabolics are of no interest.

So yeah, would agree in saying that DA_MOSS's reply is rubbish. (Especially for someone whos been a member since 2016)

That 1 sentence is complete waffle about something irrelevant, didn't even answer the question.
Also condescending to some degree. A reply I would expect from someone in their teens tbh.

I was a semi pro Muay Thai boxer for many years in my 20's until ACL tear.
Commitment and diet is not an issue.

Not sure if there is a sub cat for MEN, or over 30/40's. May start posting in there.
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You posted your questions in the right subforum.

I'm sorry that the thread went sideways and that people came into it being critical and I honestly have no idea why that happened to begin with.

It's long been a thing here where people from the anabolics section aren't supposed to come into the supplements section to give people a hard time about using supplements and people that are natural aren't supposed to go into the anabolics section to give people a hard time for choosing to use anabolics.

Very well said about expectations and about how progress and differences can help with motivation and staying consistent. I've said a lot of times my favorite natural anabolic is Anabolic XT and one of the big reasons is that it improves my motivation to train, which is a huge thing with me.
 
newbielifter66 said:
Not really....

I probably eat cleaner than anyone here, nothing to do with eating clean or working out. I eat ONLY organic NON-GMO foods , macros , mico , trace minerals are all on point. I have a chef who cooks my food profile that I require customised bymyself.

If im on and committed then im on and committed 110%, there is no harm in spending money to help you along the way. I know the capabilities and expectation of supplements im not 9, otherwise I would have gone straight to peptides and become an influencer.

I don't mind spending £300-400 a month even if means i only gain 5-10% . That 5% may only make a difference in my mood and determination, that mood and determination is the difference of me pushing the last rep or not.

I'm not expecting exceptional hypertrophy gains, but i'll take any little that helps whether that be slightly better test, mood, determination, all in all it provides motivation to stay consistent.

Part of that journey is rotating supplements to SEE if anything does change , that alone keeps me intrigued and consistent to see if something works or not.

I have ZERO interest in peptides ( at least for now ) maybe in 5 years or more i'll consider TRT who knows.
I do NOT want to be a pro bodybuilder so steroids and anabolics are of no interest.

So yeah, would agree in saying that DA_MOSS's reply is rubbish. (Especially for someone whos been a member since 2016)

That 1 sentence is complete waffle about something irrelevant, didn't even answer the question.
Also condescending to some degree. A reply I would expect from someone in their teens tbh.

I was a semi pro Muay Thai boxer for many years in my 20's until ACL tear.
Commitment and diet is not an issue.

Not sure if there is a sub cat for MEN, or over 30/40's. May start posting in there.
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Was just trying to give some advice on not jumping to supplements before actually being consistent (which many in one of your other threads agreed with tbh)

You do you tho

You claim to have diet and training on point so
Best wishes on your fitness journey.
 
newbielifter66 said:
Not really....

I probably eat cleaner than anyone here, nothing to do with eating clean or working out. I eat ONLY organic NON-GMO foods , macros , mico , trace minerals are all on point. I have a chef who cooks my food profile that I require customised bymyself.

If im on and committed then im on and committed 110%, there is no harm in spending money to help you along the way. I know the capabilities and expectation of supplements im not 9, otherwise I would have gone straight to peptides and become an influencer.

I don't mind spending £300-400 a month even if means i only gain 5-10% . That 5% may only make a difference in my mood and determination, that mood and determination is the difference of me pushing the last rep or not.

I'm not expecting exceptional hypertrophy gains, but i'll take any little that helps whether that be slightly better test, mood, determination, all in all it provides motivation to stay consistent.

Part of that journey is rotating supplements to SEE if anything does change , that alone keeps me intrigued and consistent to see if something works or not.

I have ZERO interest in peptides ( at least for now ) maybe in 5 years or more i'll consider TRT who knows.
I do NOT want to be a pro bodybuilder so steroids and anabolics are of no interest.

So yeah, would agree in saying that DA_MOSS's reply is rubbish. (Especially for someone whos been a member since 2016)

That 1 sentence is complete waffle about something irrelevant, didn't even answer the question.
Also condescending to some degree. A reply I would expect from someone in their teens tbh.

I was a semi pro Muay Thai boxer for many years in my 20's until ACL tear.
Commitment and diet is not an issue.

Not sure if there is a sub cat for MEN, or over 30/40's. May start posting in there.
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Yeah man it’s your life do you. I’ve spent a lot of money on supps that I wish I had never done. You probably don’t remember USPlabs but that is the only supps I’ve used personally that I can say I actually got “gains” from. Everything and I mean everything that was marketed as a muscle builder or performance enhancer that wasn’t creatine, glutamine, taurine, electrolytes, protein, or ancillary supp like Nattokinase etc. was a gigantic money pit. The only PEDs I’ve found beneficial are in fact the actual PEDS anabolics, GH, recovery peptides etc. Again I wasn’t sure how new you are to the fitness game or what your goals are and if your ok with minimal results from things then have at it.
 
OafMister said:
Yeah man it’s your life do you. I’ve spent a lot of money on supps that I wish I had never done. You probably don’t remember USPlabs but that is the only supps I’ve used personally that I can say I actually got “gains” from.
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You mean like Prime or Compound 20? SNS has both of those products now in Prime XT and Recomp 20. They also have other things that I think are even better than those. And a test booster won't make you into a bodybuilder but it really can raise your test 20-50% which can definitely make a difference on how you feel and progress.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
You mean like Prime or Compound 20? SNS has both of those products now in Prime XT and Recomp 20. They also have other things that I think are even better than those. And a test booster won't make you into a bodybuilder but it really can raise your test 20-50% which can definitely make a difference on how you feel and progress.
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It was Jack3d with the meth in it! The OG! lol and I think pink magic?? Prime XT never did Jack for me I wish it did I wanted to double my bench like the ads showed! Hahahaha
 
OafMister said:
It was Jack3d with the meth in it! The OG! lol and I think pink magic?? Prime XT never did Jack for me I wish it did I wanted to double my bench like the ads showed! Hahahaha
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USP Labs Prime may have claimed that, but we never claimed that with SNS Prime XT.

When people ask the how much can something improve my bench question, I always say that no one can guarantee anyone how much they will add on their bench with anything because for example, everyone has different genetics, training styles, consistency, lifestyle and injury factors, etc.

Every year, I do a thread asking people what types of products and ingredients that they would like to see from us, and every year one of the most requested things was to bring back USP Labs Prime.

I explained in multiple threads over time that what made me hesitant to do that was that USP Labs Prime had seemed to work so incredibly well for some people and not so well for others, and I was worried that USP's ridiculous marketing of it would create unrealistic expectations of the product.

Finally, we were asked so much to, that we brought out Prime XT and when we did, I emphasized even before the release that the original USP Prime seemed to work tremendously well for some people, but not so well for others and that some people saw consistent results from about week 2 while for others it seemed to kick in really great between weeks 4 and 5.

There has been some incredibly great feedback on Prime XT, but it does work better for some than others.
 
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OafMister said:
Yeah man it’s your life do you. I’ve spent a lot of money on supps that I wish I had never done. You probably don’t remember USPlabs but that is the only supps I’ve used personally that I can say I actually got “gains” from. Everything and I mean everything that was marketed as a muscle builder or performance enhancer that wasn’t creatine, glutamine, taurine, electrolytes, protein, or ancillary supp like Nattokinase etc. was a gigantic money pit. The only PEDs I’ve found beneficial are in fact the actual PEDS anabolics, GH, recovery peptides etc. Again I wasn’t sure how new you are to the fitness game or what your goals are and if your ok with minimal results from things then have at it.
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There are a lot of what I call marketing companies that just happen to sell supplements that are margin based and have such a high cost per acquisition (advertising) built into their products to afford the cost of advertising, that they don't have room to include hardly any active ingredients and especially not at effective dosages. Also, from a business perspective, they have to keep ingredients super simple because they have to only use things that are not unique or at risk of shortages or big price discrepancies because they can't afford out of stocks at all because of their marketing budgets.

That doesn't mean that supplements don't work, it means that they didn't use effective ingredients or effective dosages and as you know, many of them focus on advertising unrealistic expectations.

I've posted a lot about how the above tactics give a bad name to some ingredients that can be really effective at the proper dosages and with proper expectations.

On the USP Labs examples, you're talking 15 years or so ago. Science has evolved a lot and there are a lot of things available now that weren't available back then. If you think about it, SARM's and Peptides weren't even a thing back in the USP Labs days - just adding that for context to show that things have evolved a lot on both sides since then.

Just a few examples based on the products that he said that he purchased:
  • MPC-185
  • Pepti-Plex
    • PeptiStrong has multiple human clinical studies and is made by Nuritas, a company that was using AI technology to discover peptides from natural sources before many people knew what AI actually even was.
    • They're not bs'ing studies or anything like that, as they have major investors such as Nestle.
    • Senactiv, another ingredient in it isn't going to deliver huge up front gains but nice consistent ones and has quite a few human clinical studies on it showing that it supports senescent cell clearance, including in damaged muscle tissue.
    • Apigenin only has animal studies for muscle building, but has tons of human studies for many health and longevity purposes. It's used in Pepti-Plex because Pepti-Plex is like a natural muscle builder and healthy aging and longevity product all in one.
  • M-Test
    • M-Test contains multiple ingredients that have human clinical studies on them.
    • Plus, there has been a ton of bloodwork posted here on AM over the years showing how well it works.
  • BASIS

My point being that supplements and science have come a long ways since the USPS Labs days, and just because there are a lot of supplements out there from marketing companies, it doesn't mean there aren't supplements that are supported by tons of science and that really do work.

Hopefully if nothing else, this gives you some interesting things to look at and read up on if you're ever interested.
 
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