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Extreemjase

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Okay so it's a bit of a story.
Basically started training at 17, gained like 15kgs naturally in the first year and a half - 2 years, 6"3 and started at 60kgs.
My girlfriend at the time broke up with me when I was 18, went through depression, bad. Dropped about 5kgs and looked gross. After a few months I started becoming happy again and training and eating etc (was 73kgs)
My friends were all taking steroids and convinced me to get on, so I started my first cycle of d Bol and test 400.
Gained 8kgs, pct and kept it all, then after 4 weeks of being off cycle got in sus250 and deca 250, for 6 weeks and then dropped sus250 for test e and dropped deca250 for Tren a. (In this time I had found a new girlfriend after about 8 months)
Basically stayed on Tren a for the last 6 weeks, **** got stuffed up and no one could get me Clomid. I only had hcg, so took that (my mate cycling with me didn't know **** and trusted him) anyway I think it was 5000iu's split into 4 shots, for 4 weeks we did a shot a week from memory.
After this **** wasn't going good. I was eating so good, noticed I was looking a little bigger, then realised I had out in body fat. When me and my girlfriend would fight, I would get depression and anxiety, couldn't get a boner, and felt crap all day. Pretty much had low test because of the huge shut down. When I got the depression and anxiety I couldn't eat for a day or 2 and resulted in me losing a bit of weight. (Finished the cycle at 85kgs and ended up at 82kgs)
Got hands on Clomid and took that by itself for a month and felt pretty good. Could get a Boner, training was okay and was still eating decently.
Still weighing 85kgs I started another cycle about 4-5 months later. It was test e, 500mg a week for only 8 weeks, felt like I was wasting time so I decided to come off.
I'm currently on my first week of pct, taking Clomid and nolva, finished my cycle at 84-85kgs.
Should I continue to keep cycling because I have already started at 18?
Or should I come off for a bit.
I'm 20 years old now.
 
You should go to s Doctor before you even consider cycling again or even if you ever plan on having kids. You messed up, now hopefully you can go get it fixed.
 
Well that's why I did another cycle to pct properly,
But as soon as this is finished I'm getting blood work done.
How long do you recommend after pct before getting blood work done?
 
Well if I were you I would get one now, immediately after pct, and one two months after. If you cannot afford all I would definitely do two months after, because if your HPTA did not fully of properly recover your endo can help with that.
 
You did another cycle purely to run a proper PCT? Errmmmm....

I reckon being 6'3" and 60kg, eating and training properly you would have still got pretty damn close to putting on 20-25kg in 3 years without all the juice.

I really don't see the logic in putting your body thru all that at your age for the sake of 7-10kg? Correct me if I'm wrong...

As the other guys are saying, get bloods done, hopefully the damage isn't too severe. In regards to continue to cycle or not, that's always going to be your choice. Personally, I'd be waiting another couple of years before doing anything again and plan things better. If you don't have the PCT sorted at the start, you shouldn't be starting.
 
white_lie said:
You did another cycle purely to run a proper PCT? Errmmmm....

I reckon being 6'3" and 60kg, eating and training properly you would have still got pretty damn close to putting on 20-25kg in 3 years without all the juice.

I really don't see the logic in putting your body thru all that at your age for the sake of 7-10kg? Correct me if I'm wrong...

As the other guys are saying, get bloods done, hopefully the damage isn't too severe. In regards to continue to cycle or not, that's always going to be your choice. Personally, I'd be waiting another couple of years before doing anything again and plan things better. If you don't have the PCT sorted at the start, you shouldn't be starting.
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^^all kinds of good advice
 
As soon as you did gear at your age and as irresponsibly as you stated, you abused everything. This just shows a perfect example of immaturity and ignorance at its finest. Enjoy trt in your 20s. Not being a dik,but this type of thing gives responsible users a bad name. Hope it works out for you.
 
I don't know about abusing the drug. I didn't take 2g of test a week, or some ridiculous amount of steroids.
Yeah is call it immaturity and ignorance, but anyone who has been in the "not best state of mind" time of their life would know how easily stupid decisions are made.
We'll see what happens tho, not the end of the world lol
 
Extreemjase said:
I'd still be able to gain off steroids wouldn't I?
Also it's not like I abused anything either lol
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You will still gain without the juice as long as you haven't hit your genetic potential yet, which I doubt you have. The only thing steroids did at this point in your life was to reach that peak quicker.
 
It's not, but at 20 you could be on TRT/HRT for the rest of your life.
 
Yeah that's true.

I also don't get why people never flame rich piana for starting at 18, or any of the other body builders that have admitted to it?
 
I understand that, thanks for all the advice by the way, helps when people don't be a prick to you, and actually give someone advice.
 
The "problem" that you may have now is that you won't see the same kinds of gains that you were getting while on cycle, so will possibly get frustrated and just jump back on again.

TBH, if I gained 8-10kg from those cycles (and a lot of it was fat by the sounds of things?), I'd be pretty disappointed...it doesn't sound like you gained anything from the second one?

The depression, anxiety, fighting with the gf, etc are probably all the result of your messed up hormones.
 
Dud , finish your pct , lay down a gear ( give yourself couple of years before you start thinking about it , research,research, and then research some more ) fortunly you are young and you should recover ( lots of young guys fu@k up on the start and end up just fine, that dose not mean that you shoud take more chances) . Diet , hard training , consistency . That's all you need to progress ( you are far from reaching your limits) . If you can , get a doctor opinion after pct . Don't take it lightly but remember that your body shoud have a abilities to fix itself. Don't **** up again haha , use this bord for info , there's a lot of good people here
 
Extreemjase said:
Yeah that's true.

I also don't get why people never flame rich piana for starting at 18, or any of the other body builders that have admitted to it?
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Those people were determined to make a career out of bodybuilding which I seriously doubt you are pursuing.
 
Extreemjase said:
Inb4flamers
Okay so it's a bit of a story.
Basically started training at 17, gained like 15kgs naturally in the first year and a half - 2 years, 6"3 and started at 60kgs.
My girlfriend at the time broke up with me when I was 18, went through depression, bad. Dropped about 5kgs and looked gross. After a few months I started becoming happy again and training and eating etc (was 73kgs)
My friends were all taking steroids and convinced me to get on, so I started my first cycle of d Bol and test 400.
Gained 8kgs, pct and kept it all, then after 4 weeks of being off cycle got in sus250 and deca 250, for 6 weeks and then dropped sus250 for test e and dropped deca250 for Tren a. (In this time I had found a new girlfriend after about 8 months)
Basically stayed on Tren a for the last 6 weeks, **** got stuffed up and no one could get me Clomid. I only had hcg, so took that (my mate cycling with me didn't know **** and trusted him) anyway I think it was 5000iu's split into 4 shots, for 4 weeks we did a shot a week from memory.
After this **** wasn't going good. I was eating so good, noticed I was looking a little bigger, then realised I had out in body fat. When me and my girlfriend would fight, I would get depression and anxiety, couldn't get a boner, and felt crap all day. Pretty much had low test because of the huge shut down. When I got the depression and anxiety I couldn't eat for a day or 2 and resulted in me losing a bit of weight. (Finished the cycle at 85kgs and ended up at 82kgs)
Got hands on Clomid and took that by itself for a month and felt pretty good. Could get a Boner, training was okay and was still eating decently.
Still weighing 85kgs I started another cycle about 4-5 months later. It was test e, 500mg a week for only 8 weeks, felt like I was wasting time so I decided to come off.
I'm currently on my first week of pct, taking Clomid and nolva, finished my cycle at 84-85kgs.
Should I continue to keep cycling because I have already started at 18?
Or should I come off for a bit.
I'm 20 years old now.
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I think you are chasing the dragon brother.
 
Extreemjase said:
Well that's why I did another cycle to pct properly,
But as soon as this is finished I'm getting blood work done.
How long do you recommend after pct before getting blood work done?
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You don't have to run another cycle to run a pct protocol.

Get yourself some Olympus labs super pct.

Works freaking great

You'll still want to run clomid 50mg for a few weeks.
 
I feel the older you are using steroids, the higher your chances of not recovering properly and ending up on hrt.

I haven't researched this so it's purely speculation on my part, but If there's data anyone knows of regarding this, hook it up
 
Okay so I'll be off steroids for a few years.
How can I get rid of the fat I gained around my abs and waist line?
I'm doing 2 days of hiit cardio a week atm
 
Extreemjase said:
Yeah that's true.

I also don't get why people never flame rich piana for starting at 18, or any of the other body builders that have admitted to it?
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Rich Piana never got on a forum at 18 and asked for advice. If the next Mr. O came on to this forum and posed the same question as you did, he would get the same response.

Sound advice is sound advice and bad advice is bad advice. You got bad advice from your too young to know anything buddies and it doesn't sound as good to you as the sound advice from the members of the forum, and that's why you're sore about it
 
Extreemjase said:
Okay so I'll be off steroids for a few years.
How can I get rid of the fat I gained around my abs and waist line?
I'm doing 2 days of hiit cardio a week atm
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Whatever happened to hard work and accountability? Like others, not trying to be a dick, have said. If you want to lose your gut piece than you need to exercise, put in the work, and have the proper diet. It is pretty much as simple as that. If your two days of hiit work is not working along with your diet, take a step back, look at your current situation(diet, training) and readjust accordingly.
 
Finish the clomid after a few more weeks...get bloods to see where you're at. If all is well wait another month and get bloodwork done..if all is well you should be in the clear. If not then you might find yourself on TRT but without blood work no one knows. Please post your blood work. I'm very interested to see how this all plays out
 
jbryand101b said:
Consistently good diet and exercise is the secret.
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The secret is, DIET DIET DIET, TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN. SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP.
That's the secret. Diet in check. Training schedule in check, sleep good in check, gains or cut will come with it.
Don't chase the dragon my man.
Best of luck to you.
 
I know 100% nolva is fking me up.
I took it for a month after my last cycle,
I had hcg only, 5000 ius and then after that I took nolva because of my suppliers screwed up etc.

Nolva is what made me gain the fat in the first place and ruined my test levels
 
JG93 said:
The secret is, DIET DIET DIET, TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN. SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP.
That's the secret. Diet in check. Training schedule in check, sleep good in check, gains or cut will come with it.
Don't chase the dragon my man.
Best of luck to you.
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Don't give away the secret for free bro!!!!
 
Extreemjase said:
I know 100% nolva is fking me up.
I took it for a month after my last cycle,
I had hcg only, 5000 ius and then after that I took nolva because of my suppliers screwed up etc.

Nolva is what made me gain the fat in the first place and ruined my test levels
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It was probably bunk nolva. Were you using RC grade? It's a hit or miss. Sometimes you get underdosed or fake product that's why you need to choose a reliable source and buy multiple bottles or buy from a few different sources and have multiple bottles on hand just in case you get a bunk or underdosed product. Better to be safe than sorry always
 
It probably is.
Would it be s little too late to throw in some HCG and maybe extend my off an extra 2 weeks?
So it would plan out to be
1 - 50mg Clomid
2 - 50mg Clomid
3 - 50mg Clomid Hcg
4 - 50mg Clomid hcg
5 - 25mg Clomid hcg
6 - 25mg Clomid hcg

Also, what dosage should I be shorting hcg?
Would 1000 in a week be an okay dose?
Hcg is extremely expensive in Aus.
 
Or would it be pointless using hcg because my pct was 500mg a week for 8 weeks?

What if I extend an extra 2nweeks on
50mg for 3-4 weeks and 25mg for 3-4 weeks?
 
If you are going to run hcg run it ar the beginning of you pct. Actually I have read that most people start it a week or so out from the end of their cycle. Hcg can actually be suppressive due to the fact that it can desensitize your receptors. Also Hcg raises not only test but E2 as well
 
No to hcg in pct- it's suppressive so you'll be going backwards. Hcg is run throughout a cycle or blasted at the end of a cycle to make recovery easier. It doesn't restart your test production but it primes your hpta so recovery is easier.
 
"Protocols for the post cycle use of HCG generally call for the administration of 2000-3000 units every second or third day, taken for no longer than two or three weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone further hindering a return to homeostasis."
 
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