Advice regarding Epi Andro stack

[DSF89]

Hi all,

I would like to once again harness the power of the forum to help me achieve.

I'm planning to start my first PH cycle later this year (around November).
My goal is to gain some lean mass (4-5 weeks) and then clean it up (3-4 weeks) by the end. I will follow a high protein, med - high carb, med - low fat diet.
4 to 5 days training with high volume and at least 1 HIIT or 1 steady state conditioning weekly.

After researching the topic for the past 6 months I've decided to go with an 8 week run of 750mg of Olympus labs Sup3r Epi Elite per day.
Considering the properties of the epi andro (converting to DHT) I will need another compound that will convert to testosterone to reap the full benefits of the invested money and time.

Thinking to take 330mg 4-Andro (Sup3r-4 Elite) alongside the Epi andro.

I would like to ask your opinions about what else could be stacked instead of the 4-Andro. I've considered 1-Andro but I'm afraid it would be "too dry".
Any input is appreciated.

Btw PCT would be Nolva + Clomid+ OL Sup3r PCT + Ostarine daily for the first two weeks.

About me to put everything in context.
I'm 28 years old, I've been training for 5 and a half years, first two was spent mostly shredding fat, went from 117kgs to 72.
Currently around 85kgs, gained some fat around my waist lately so before I jump on the PH cycle I will tidy up my fat a little bit.

On PCT right now (Clomid + Sup3r PCT) after running 9 weeks of Ostarine. Before that I ran Arimistane solo (did a little log on it here) that's about all the experience I have in this field.

Every question, opinion, statement is highly appreciated.

 

[elo76]

Wow! You need to take a step back and do some more research then man if your expecting alot out of this.

4/EPI for 8 weeks won't give you much. Especially with EPI only at 750. The sweet spot for most is 1250 to 1500. I run it at 1500. You also need to add in Super 1 if sticking with andros. That's where all your horsepower is at. On a bulk go 1/4. On a cut go 1/EPI. I, myself, do 1/4/EPI on a bulk. I don't cut on cycle. IMO it's a waste.

For your PCT...you can run either Clomid 50/50/25/25 or Nolva 20/20/10/10. Super PCT is fine, but I like Mtest or Kings Blood.

Also...get Osta out of your PCT. If you did any reading at all...you would know that it suppresses you and should not be used.

One more thing...if you just finished a cycle and are still in PCT. You shouldn't be starting another cycle till January. Time on + PCT = Time Off

 

[DSF89]

Wow! You need to take a step back and do some more research then man if your expecting alot out of this.

4/EPI for 8 weeks won't give you much. Especially with EPI only at 750. The sweet spot for most is 1250 to 1500. I run it at 1500. You also need to add in Super 1 if sticking with andros. That's where all your horsepower is at. On a bulk go 1/4. On a cut go 1/EPI. I, myself, do 1/4/EPI on a bulk. I don't cut on cycle. IMO it's a waste.

For your PCT...you can run either Clomid 50/50/25/25 or Nolva 20/20/10/10. Super PCT is fine, but I like Mtest or Kings Blood.

Also...get Osta out of your PCT. If you did any reading at all...you would know that it suppresses you and should not be used.

One more thing...if you just finished a cycle and are still in PCT. You shouldn't be starting another cycle till January. Time on + PCT = Time Off

Thanks for the input, what I'm actually curious about is all the other options different than the other andros which I already mentioned in my post. I should have emphasized that more.

Regarding the suppression by ostarine, I've used it for 9 weeks on its own and my experience aligns with the material I've and heard/read. Ostarine mildly suppress but IMO only after 4 weeks of usage and it might be beneficial in the first part of the PCT where it could potentially combat muscle loss.
I've got some left over enough for about 2 weeks at 20mg/day. I could use it at the beginning of the PH adventure as well but I think that would be a waste. I still think it has a legitimate place in PCT tho.

I'm curious about your experience with 1andro/Epi. How was it?

 

[elo76]

Gained lean muscle and my strength went up considerably. I have never just ran 1/epi though. Always 1/4/epi for me. I wanted to have a complete base. IMO if you are going make a run....make it count. You only get a few a year if done right.