It all depends on absorption and what your estimated percentage is. There is no way to guage it, its just a guestimation, that is why if I had the option to run test or tren, would definately pin. 350mg test dermal is equivalent to 500mg test e or cyp thanks to the weight of the ester. 500mg test base/week would be equivalent to around 750-800mg test e/cyp week. As for the tren, I would opt for 35-50mg absorbed ED of tren w/ phlojel but I think high mg cycles do more harm than good. I would also account for 40~60% absorption w/ phlojel assuming you follow the instructions of dermal application to a T (moisturizing skin, hydration, scrubbing skin in shower before app, app to thin hairless areas).