Unanswered Advice for cruising
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ItalOne
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As long as you administer exogenous Testosterone you will have near zero natural testosterone production.The hcg will only keep your nutz full.
ItalOne
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Why are you considering cruising?
Mathb33
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If you’re considering cruising you have to be ready that you might need TRT for the rest of your life to function normally. I’m not saying you shouldn’t because I’m myself cruising and on trt. Just want to point out you should start thinking about that and 100% accept the fact that you MIGHT need to pin test for the rest of your life. HCG is not needed at all, some people prefer it personally I don’t mind having little baby balls and shooting Blanks. Clomid is a serm you would take during a PCT, on a cruise you would simply be running a lower amount of test( as low as possible that is enough to hold onto your muscle, usually between 200-300mg a week) and an AI if needed.
Renew1
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^^^ This ^^^
Matthersby
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We don’t.
because anything over 60-80mg per week and your body is producing most likely NO test.
Cruising is really just running a longer cycle.
I’d recommend if you are going to do it, run it as high as you would on the actual cycle the whole time.
Your body probably wont even know the difference from a shutdown perspective.
Matthersby
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My advice is start getting pre/post bloods and keep running 8 weeks cycle TOPS, UNTIL you are ready for TRT.
And be 100% ready for it at that point. Know that if you ever lose your prescription or an order doesn’t show up of your test, and you have a 35 year old gf, she is NOT going to be pleased if 3-4 weeks goes by and you don’t give a crap about sex, and when you try to for her sake, you can’t
Something no one tells you about when they talk about how awesome TRT is.
Plus you’ll need to sleep 9 hours a night but will still be exhausted anyways. It sucks. So don’t run out of test. Or just run 8 week cycles as long as you can, all the while being psyched that in between cycles you actually get to go back to being a real man. We aren’t without test over here.
And be 100% ready for it at that point. Know that if you ever lose your prescription or an order doesn’t show up of your test, and you have a 35 year old gf, she is NOT going to be pleased if 3-4 weeks goes by and you don’t give a crap about sex, and when you try to for her sake, you can’t
Something no one tells you about when they talk about how awesome TRT is.
Plus you’ll need to sleep 9 hours a night but will still be exhausted anyways. It sucks. So don’t run out of test. Or just run 8 week cycles as long as you can, all the while being psyched that in between cycles you actually get to go back to being a real man. We aren’t without test over here.
Rockslide
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The purpose of hcg is essentially to prevent Leydig cell atrophy so if/when someone hops off of TRT a doctor can give them clomid/tamox which will stimulate the pituitary to make LH/FSH. The LH/FSH then drives the Leydig cells which hopefully haven’t permanently died to remake test again. Usually is effective but sometimes even with TRT and HCG they don’t restart. This would mean lifelong TRT and likely infertility as the Leydig cells nourish serotoli cells that make sperm.
Men that want children would be wise to spermbank or add HMG/FSH but it’s really expensive. This is a significant risk to TRT but it happens a lot , man who is 25 jumps on TRT. Gets married at 30, going to REI with wife at 35 and they are paying $35k to try to have a child and still having trouble.
Men that want children would be wise to spermbank or add HMG/FSH but it’s really expensive. This is a significant risk to TRT but it happens a lot , man who is 25 jumps on TRT. Gets married at 30, going to REI with wife at 35 and they are paying $35k to try to have a child and still having trouble.
Matthersby
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Very well put
DaveyCrockett
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Totally agree......use enough gear for a long enough time, run the risk of actually not being a man anymore (as far as reproductive capability).....and yeah, it's all well and good until you run out of test. Seriously. As much as the GF says she understands (IME) I feel like I'm shaving points off my man card if I'm not on at all times. For me, it wasn't just ED, I forgot I had a d*ck until I had to piss....it's a big decision to blast and cruise. Just my .02
Old Witch
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And then if you happen to get prostate cancer...
Then you’ll be “His name was Robert Paulson.”
DaveyCrockett
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Let us never forget.....Bob had b*tch tits as well
Rockslide
Member
We can only hope there is some bitching SARM waiting in the wings that will be a complete antagonist as the prostate but agonist all the good places (like ralox for men)...... but then the FDA will just say they are scared men will abuse it for performance and not let it pass clinicals....
ItalOne
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A trt dosage is typically 100-200mg wk. A cruise is typically dosed higher 200-300 mg to help preserve muscle between cycles with the INTENTION OF COMING OFF ONE DAY. Blasting and cruising all year is NOT HEALTHY. It’s pretty much just a bro brah term for excuse makers that don’t want to come off! Or go on trt.
Matthersby
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Naw. I blast until the drugs added stop working, obviously 5 weeks tops for orals though. But lately, I try to fit in what I want to run between labs every 3 months or so. So I’ve been on 550/week NPP since May 1st, I’ll probably keep running it 4-6 more weeks easily. But if I am still making gains and I get labs in 6 weeks and my lipids aren’t trashed, I might just switch over to 1-test-cyp and start my cut for the late summer. Add Winnie on the tail end.
NOW, if my labs look like ****, I’d drop down to 200/week test for 2 months or so. 200-250 bring me to about 1100 which is just out of range and just about where problems would start to happen in the super long term.
I’ve never found 12 weeks this 8 weeks that to EVER work out with steroids. Life doesn’t work that way for me. Stuff comes up and I’ll run 7 weeks this and 13.5 weeks that. I never even try to plan stuff. Just general date ranges. And if labs look good I have the go ahead to keep going.
Mathb33
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Oh of course the 4 sperm I shoot when I come have a chance I get a women pregnant you’re right. Still wouldn’t bet on that compared to a man shooting billions. But you made your point some people are lucky as **** yes.
Rockslide
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Right , the risk with hcg is low. The risk without is probably somewhere between moderate and low.
Multiple factors involved. Every time Leydig cells die baseline test will drop even when the HP axis eventually recovers (with or w/o clomid) . It doesn’t seem to take as much Leydig function to support serotoli cells as it does to make test. (People with test levels of 200 can still sometimes have completely normal fertility).
Things like the degree of shutdown (are LH/FSH 0.00 or 0.7 etc) may matter. Compounded exponentially by time.
I believe I read as well that 19-nor compounds may directly damage serotoli cells in addition to causing significant suppression. Also, with 19-nors, a lot of them have long esters and since they are not really physiologic (except trace nandrolone) minimal amounts will suppress LH/FSH for long periods. Remember it takes 18 months for nandrolone deconate to be unmeasurable in blood.
I read the trest birth control study. A dose of I believe either 500 or 750 MICROGRAMS by mouth (and remember most is destroyed in the gut) caused reversible infertility. Something to ponder on when you read about people taking high doses of trest deconate IM.
ItalOne
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Agreed!