Adex during pct...

spirall08

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Would this be ok to do? Or is there a better option?

I'm a week into pct. Doing the usual nolva/clomid.

Have been feeling super sluggish. Low energy. Zero appetite. No libido. And the nips are sore. Possible that my estro is a little high? (Obvious don't know for sure without bloods). Would taking some adex be bad?
 
spirall08 said:
Would this be ok to do? Or is there a better option?

I'm a week into pct. Doing the usual nolva/clomid.

Have been feeling super sluggish. Low energy. Zero appetite. No libido. And the nips are sore. Possible that my estro is a little high? (Obvious don't know for sure without bloods). Would taking some adex be bad?
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Exemestane is generally the AI of choice for pct, but Adex can be used.

And welcome to pct bro, it sucks!! Is your Nolva and Clomid liquid?
 
Dma378 said:
Exemestane is generally the AI of choice for pct, but Adex can be used.

And welcome to pct bro, it sucks!! Is your Nolva and Clomid liquid?
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Gotcha. Yea it will take me a while to get some asin. I kind of need something sooner.

Nah man my nolva/clomid are pills.

Is there a dosing protocol for adex or asin during pct? Or just kind of take as needed?
 
IIRC, Adex is frowned upon in pct due to the increased likelihood of estrogen rebound if not tapered correctly. Use exem if you got it. If not, I'm sure you'll be fine.
 
stop the AI at start or week into PCT IMO. the SERMS will block estrogen at nips even if there was a little rebound. you could also taper off the last if you feel that helps at all.
 
spirall08 said:
Gotcha. Yea it will take me a while to get some asin. I kind of need something sooner.

Nah man my nolva/clomid are pills.

Is there a dosing protocol for adex or asin during pct? Or just kind of take as needed?
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dont use an AI during pct IMO
 
spirall08 said:
Would this be ok to do? Or is there a better option?

I'm a week into pct. Doing the usual nolva/clomid.

Have been feeling super sluggish. Low energy. Zero appetite. No libido. And the nips are sore. Possible that my estro is a little high? (Obvious don't know for sure without bloods). Would taking some adex be bad?
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Exemestane (or any AI, but preferably exemestane) should always, always be run alongside SERMs. SERMs elevate E2 *AND* SHBG. This is a very bad combination if these aren't tightly controlled by time you start the taper.

The very worst time to have elevated E2 is during PCT -- this is why PCT doesn't "stick" for some people. E2 is extremely inhibitory to the HPG-axis, and as levels of SERMs begin to fall during the taper, if E2 levels are still elevated beyond the normal range, the HPG-axis will remain "partially shutdown" because as E2 receptor sites open in the hypothalamus due to diminishing blood levels of SERMs, E2 hops on and starts shutting things down all over again.

During PCT, it's always better to err on the side of having less E2 than more, and with exemestane *off cycle* it's very difficult to send E2 levels too low.
 
Spurfy said:
Exemestane (or any AI, but preferably exemestane) should always, always be run alongside SERMs. SERMs elevate E2 *AND* SHBG. This is a very bad combination if these aren't tightly controlled by time you start the taper.

The very worst time to have elevated E2 is during PCT -- this is why PCT doesn't "stick" for some people. E2 is extremely inhibitory to the HPG-axis, and as levels of SERMs begin to fall during the taper, if E2 levels are still elevated beyond the normal range, the HPG-axis will remain "partially shutdown" because as E2 receptor sites open in the hypothalamus due to diminishing blood levels of SERMs, E2 hops on and starts shutting things down all over again.

During PCT, it's always better to err on the side of having less E2 than more, and with exemestane *off cycle* it's very difficult to send E2 levels too low.
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Not to mention AIs increase test production while lowering estrogen.
 
If it helps I'm planning on 6.25mg of Exemestane ED on the last four weeks of my PCT. Starting on my fourth week of Clomid (I'm running it for six weeks) and finishing two weeks after I stop my clomid. Hopefully prevent any rebound.
 
Thanks all for the replies.

So this is going to be a serious newb question... but is Exemestane a lot milder/weaker than say Adex which is why it is more suitable for PCT?
 
spirall08 said:
Thanks all for the replies.

So this is going to be a serious newb question... but is Exemestane a lot milder/weaker than say Adex which is why it is more suitable for PCT?
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Exemestane is a suicidal AI, which means that once it binds to the receptor it's bound permenantly. It's better suited to PCT because it basically kills bad estrogen, which should help negate and prevent estro related sides AND should prevent estro rebound
 
InItForGainz said:
If it helps I'm planning on 6.25mg of Exemestane ED on the last four weeks of my PCT. Starting on my fourth week of Clomid (I'm running it for six weeks) and finishing two weeks after I stop my clomid. Hopefully prevent any rebound.
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Good choice, but I'd stretch it out to at least 4 weeks -- it takes a month to clear a single dose of clomid from your system.
 
spirall08 said:
Ok wait.. So if i can get asim use that? Or not even that? Il gettin mixed messages.

My nips are def flarin up the past few days even w nolva
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Nips shouldn't be flared up using nolva...What's your nolva dose?
 
Nolva blocks estrogen receptors specifically in breast tissue which makes it perfect for handling discomfort in your nips. Legit nolva should have your nips feeling and looking good perfect even though it can potentially raise estrogen. Adex is an ai of the past imo, chances of rebound are high and long term use can be unhealthy. Exemestane is your ai of choice for sure. Nolva and Exemestane should handle about any estrogen related issues you have. Your issue could possibly be prolactin especially if your nolva is legit. Maybe try some prami or caber, even better get some bloods done and know for a fact what your issue is.
 
yates84 said:
Nolva blocks estrogen receptors specifically in breast tissue which makes it perfect for handling discomfort in your nips. Legit nolva should have your nips feeling and looking good perfect even though it can potentially raise estrogen. Adex is an ai of the past imo, chances of rebound are high and long term use can be unhealthy. Exemestane is your ai of choice for sure. Nolva and Exemestane should handle about any estrogen related issues you have. Your issue could possibly be prolactin especially if your nolva is legit. Maybe try some prami or caber, even better get some bloods done and know for a fact what your issue is.
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+1 for the bloods.

What was your cycle, unless you had unusually high levels of prolactin I doubt Nolva would cause it.
Prami is a good choice, cheap.
The down. Side is the 8 hour half life. And the adverse sides if not careful. I take it 2x a day and it makes me lethargic as hell. Once right as I wake, and once at night.

I disagree to an extent on Adex and aromasin.
While aromasin is a great suicide inhibitor. It takes a lot of getting used to to dial it in.
Killing estro is something you would not want to do right now!

Adex is great and easy to dial in, it's pretty simple and straight forward.
I use both, I generally use Adex when things get out of hand, and aromasin through most of the cycle.
I'm using Adex right now.

When using Adex you have to make sure you use it properly, I wouldn't go more than .5 mg/day or more estro issues.

Yates is very intelligent so I recommend following what he has to say.

Also, if your nips are puffy on Nolva and clomid, might wanna check your source.
Generally you will feel perfect nips with Nolva.

Hope this helps, and if you choose Adex aromasin or anything, let us know and we will help you dial her in real nice!
 
yates84 said:
And it's pharma? I use nolva when exem doesn't do the job all the way, somethings not right here
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I fairly certain its g2g. Ive used it from this source before. Think I'll bump it up to 40 for the next week or 2, then taper back down to 20 again for the last 2 weeks.

I'm also gonna avoid adex for the rest of pct.
 
JG93 said:
What was your cycle,
The down. Side is the 8 hour half life. And the adverse sides if not careful. I take it 2x a day and it makes me lethargic as hell. Once right as I wake, and once at night.

I disagree to an extent on Adex and aromasin.
While aromasin is a great suicide inhibitor. It takes a lot of getting used to to dial it in.
Killing estro is something you would not want to do right now!
Hope this helps, and if you choose Adex aromasin or anything, let us know and we will help you dial her in real nice!
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Sust. 500mg/wk. 12 wks. DMZ oral at the end, right up until PCT. HCG until 4 days before PCT started.
You say killing estro is the last thing I want to do right now, so I guess aromasin would be the smart option as it seems to reduce, not kill, estro?


Appreciate all the responses and help, but I think I'll give the exemestane a shot.
Dosing- 12.5 eod or like InItForGainz said, 6.25 ed.
I'll run up until 2 weeks after my clomid/nolva ends.
If anyone has any thought/critiques on that dosing protocol, let me know.

Thanks again!
 
spirall08 said:
Sust. 500mg/wk. 12 wks. DMZ oral. Took the DMZ at the end, right up until PCT. Also used HCG until 4 days before PCT started.
You say killing estro is the last thing I want to do right now, so I guess aromasin would be the smart option as it seems to not completely eliminate all estro, but just reduces it?


Appreciate all the responses and help. Read through all of em, but I think I'll give the exemestane a shot.
Keep the dose moderate- 12.5 eod or like the dude above InItForGainz said, 6.25 ed. And I'll run it for 2 weeks after my clomid/nolva ends.
If anyone has any thought/critiques on that dosing protocol, let me know.

Thanks again!
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Well aromasin can and will still kill your estro.
If you aren't used to aromasin, pct isn't the time to dial it in.
It took me weeks to dial aromasin in for myself.
What works for me, is 12.5 Ed, bloods showing estro is in check.
What works for some is 12.5 e3d eod etc..

Adex is much easier to dial in. Usually
.5mg works for most. Some going up to 1mg. With Adex 1mg crashes me.

If you are going to do aromasin, I would suggest starting at 12.5 eod and see where you stand. Know your body and looks for signs whether you need to taper back or taper up.

You are in pct with Nolva and clomid so I don't think you will need aromasin at anymore than 12.5 eod or even e3d.
 
JG93 said:
Well aromasin can and will still kill your estro.
If you aren't used to aromasin, pct isn't the time to dial it in.
It took me weeks to dial aromasin in for myself.
What works for me, is 12.5 Ed, bloods showing estro is in check.
What works for some is 12.5 e3d eod etc..

Adex is much easier to dial in. Usually
.5mg works for most. Some going up to 1mg. With Adex 1mg crashes me.
If you are going to do aromasin, I would suggest starting at 12.5 eod and see where you stand. Know your body and looks for signs whether you need to taper back or taper up.
You are in pct with Nolva and clomid so I don't think you will need aromasin at anymore than 12.5 eod or even e3d.
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Yea I was using adex while on cycle. .5mg is all I can tolerate as well. 1mg also crashes me.
Lot of people seem to be suggesting asin over adex strictly for pct purposes. Think I'll give it a shot, and like you said, I'll keep it conservative - eod or e3d.
Thanks brotha
 
How long did you wait from last pin of sust until pct?
You can still use hcg in pct. and it could help you feel much better.
 
spirall08 said:
Yea I was using adex while on cycle. .5mg is all I can tolerate as well. 1mg also crashes me.
Lot of people seem to be suggesting asin over adex strictly for pct purposes. Think I'll give it a shot, and like you said, I'll keep it conservative - eod or e3d.
Thanks brotha
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No problem.
Most people suggest it for the simple fact that it is more lenient to overdosage.
Not to mention we all want to help people get their or keep their nips down!

My nips swell up on cycle no matter what in cycle. I just don't eat ol a on cycle, as soon as I eat Nolva I'm all better lol!
 
spirall08 said:
A full 21 days. That seems to be the consensus.
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I would say 10-14 days is much better imo. 3 weeks seems a long time to possibly let your levels get too far out of hand.
We all have our theories and information from somewhere, I researched a year and hours and hours and still do, and I come to disagree with a lot of the bro science mocked up to look like science on the net.
Good luck in pct man, we are here if ya need us
 
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