Adding to my 4

Hawkwarrior

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Today I am ordering another product to run with my 4 Andro that I started last Friday. Should I get a 1 andro product? Should I try for Super dmz 2.0? Or should I get alpha 1 max by bsl from a1 supplements...seriously guys..what don't you think? I thought the alpha 1 was banned but it's on sale at a1 supplements...what do you think? Give me a product and brand name that I should run...I also came across Msten by iron mag labs...
 
Hawkwarrior said:
Today I am ordering another product to run with my 4 Andro that I started last Friday. Should I get a 1 andro product? Should I try for Super dmz 2.0? Or should I get alpha 1 max by bsl from a1 supplements...seriously guys..what don't you think? I thought the alpha 1 was banned but it's on sale at a1 supplements...what do you think? Give me a product and brand name that I should run...
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we're going to need more info for recomondation. I'd also recomend to not order random things and start taking them before planning out why you are taking it.

1) age?
2) Goals? Gain lean mass, lose fat?
3) Current lifting experience (what is your squat, DL, OHP, Bench)
4) Do you have a PCT planned? If so, what is it
 
I am 30..6'2 280lbs...I been lifting on and off for 15 years... Right now my main goal is getting my strength gains back up...I started back lifting 3 months ago and really haven't maxed out my lifts but I noticed I can't rep 315 like I used to for 11. reps...now I struggle repping it 5. I know it takes time and that a lot of you say I need patience but I really need a kick in my training...like I said I'm only running 4 now..it's my first cycle of anything but I am recovering from 11 year opiate addiction and now taking medication to battle withdrawals... The training really helps me right now and keeps me focused on just getting stronger...
 
No 1 alpha, no msten, and no sdmz2 for a first cycle. Just don't do it.
 
Hawkwarrior said:
I am 30..6'2 280lbs...I been lifting on and off for 15 years... Right now my main goal is getting my strength gains back up...I started back lifting 3 months ago and really haven't maxed out my lifts but I noticed I can't rep 315 like I used to for 11. reps...now I struggle repping it 5. I know it takes time and that a lot of you say I need patience but I really need a kick in my training...like I said I'm only running 4 now..it's my first cycle of anything but I am recovering from 11 year opiate addiction and now taking medication to battle withdrawals... The training really helps me right now and keeps me focused on just getting stronger...
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Doing a 1 andro/4 andro stack is probably your best bet. However, what BF at 280lb? Someone else can chime in, but if BF is high id probably diet down before touching anything. I'd probably also get some consistent training to get that muscle memory back first. Not sure if you want to play with hormones just to get back to where you used to be... would make sense to do that naturally and use hormones to exceed for new PR's. Just my opinion though.

Also with an $80 budget, you will be tight. That's about how much a PCT will run you, not even considering the expenses of cycle and cycle support supps.
 
mrgoomba said:
Doing a 1 andro/4 andro stack is probably your best bet. However, what BF at 280lb? Someone else can chime in, but if BF is high id probably diet down before touching anything. I'd probably also get some consistent training to get that muscle memory back first. Not sure if you want to play with hormones just to get back to where you used to be... would make sense to do that naturally and use hormones to exceed for new PR's. Just my opinion though.

Also with an $80 budget, you will be tight. That's about how much a PCT will run you, not even considering the expenses of cycle and cycle support supps.
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^^^This is solid advice. When you do choose to start, OL Super-1 and Super-4 is a great combo for a newbie to prohormones. They are also the best value you will find and all raws are 3rd party lab tested to ensure quality.
 
Why are you deciding to cycle if you haven't given yourself proper time to get reacquainted with working out? If you start prohormones right after an opiate addiction you could very easily become addicted to steroids/PH's just because its not talked about doesn't mean its not a possibility or common.. Don't do it man you don't want to possible feed into another addiction! If working out is your saving grace in withdrawals then just stick with it. Please let this sink in ive had family members relapse and just start a new drug, steroids and ph's are just that.. a drug, and very powerful. Just taking the time to try confince you otherwise as it hits home for me.
 
Why did you choose 4-Andro (not that it was bad, I'm just wondering why that PH)? I did not see where you posted the PCT you have planned. How many weeks were you planning with the 4-Andro? What is your PCT plan? The advice given by the guys above me is very good. This may not be the best time for you to start using PH's. There are a bunch of factors from what I have read so far that makes the red flags wave.
 
is this a continuation from your other thread where we basically answered the same questions?
 
Hawkwarrior said:
I was told that 4 Andro was stronger than 1 and that it was more for strength and 1 for recomp
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Who told you that? Although that may be strong if you're looking for results you wont get much from a solo run. Also i see you're against taking my advice towards cessation of the prohormone. Best of luck, i tried. Best i can give you is this. If you want it to be successful stop being cheap. Get 1-ad stack 1-ad and 4 -ad for 4-6 weeks. but before that SET UP YOUR PCT. You haven't laid out a PCT plan in a single one of your threads, and you've made multiple threads asking for advice and seem to be ignoring a lot of the given advice.
 
YoungBodyBuil said:
Who told you that? Although that may be strong if you're looking for results you wont get much from a solo run. Also i see you're against taking my advice towards cessation of the prohormone. Best of luck, i tried. Best i can give you is this. If you want it to be successful stop being cheap. Get 1-ad stack 1-ad and 4 -ad for 4-6 weeks. but before that SET UP YOUR PCT. You haven't laid out a PCT plan in a single one of your threads, and you've made multiple threads asking for advice and seem to be ignoring a lot of the given advice.
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Maybe just to add to this... take a step back and think about what you are doing. You are messing with your endocrine system. If you cant afford to spend more than $80, how are you going to be able to afford an endocrinologist?
 
Hawkwarrior said:
I get it ...4andro won't give results
...sorry I don't have bunch of cash right now man so I have to 've cheap
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Don't apologize were trying to help, I'm only being harsh to get through to you and stop you from potentionally ruining your life, or at least a few years of it... PHs are very powerful and just because they're accessible doesn't mean they should be taken lightly. Save up get a set up together ESPECIALLY A PCT then try again.. If you must. I suggest not with your past.
 
I was told for first time just try one product and see how it works on you..notice any changes and then add another...I've watched some vids of people's reaction after taking andro 1 alone and none were really impressed...lethargic..low sex drive..no real gains in size ..I just thought that maybe 4 alone would give me some strength since it had been hyped by some as being a stronger product...now I come here and find out that I need to run 2 products..
 
Hawkwarrior said:
Can the andros really mess with me that bad? With my past and all
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If you have an addictive personality? Yes. Steroids/ PHs give you an on top of the world feeling when on top of the cycle. Which can definitely be addictive. And yes 1 compound is generally better but 1 and 4 andro are synergistic as they both negate some of each other's side effects.
 
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I was told for first time just try one product and see how it works on you..notice any changes and then add another...I've watched some vids of people's reaction after taking andro 1 alone and none were really impressed...lethargic..low sex drive..no real gains in size ..I just thought that maybe 4 alone would give me some strength since it had been hyped by some as being a stronger product...now I come here and find out that I need to run 2 products..
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While I agree that stacking them both together is ideal, that does not mean you wont see results by just stacking 1. I think the goal behind our responses is:

1) If you are only able to budget $80, then cycling probably isnt right for you, at least now. I just bought my Cycle and on cycle support and im already at $200, with another $100 or so that will be spent on PCT. If you are going to play with hormones, you need proper PCT. Proper PCT = Money.

2) With your background (also props for the recovery), taking "drugs" now while stilling trying to get over withdraw seems a bit reckless.

3) With your body composition (making an assumption you are holding quite a bit of fat at 280lbs), you can make DRASTIC changes by dialing in your diet, training, sleep, etc and not looking for "overnight success". Bust ass for a year, maybe even 2 - stay clean, and then figure out if a cycle is worthwhile.
 
Yea I have been back lifting over 3 months now....I just wanted that edge ya ...anything over 315 on the bench kills my joints... I used to rep it luke nothing..I guess I just need to rethink this whole thing
 
Hawkwarrior said:
Yea I have been back lifting over 3 months now....I just wanted that edge ya ...anything over 315 on the bench kills my joints... I used to rep it luke nothing..I guess I just need to rethink this whole thing
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If you're already pushing your physical limits and taxing your joints then using a PED is going to increase your chance of seriously injuring yourself. Muscle strength will come back faster than tendon strength and durability. Just be careful.
 
I played college football...off guard and injured my leg/ankle ( high ankle Sprain's-may not sound like much but for a guard who can't pivot on pulling plays ..well it means everything..I got one every year..hernia..pulled groin) repeatly and was introduced to opiates..it's my own fault that I used to do what I did.I don't want you guys thinking im some druggie gym newb. I've lifted for a long time but the strongest thing I ever took was creatine ( on 4 andro now in case you've missed the hundred posts I've said that in-��..)while in college other guys were on juice but I felt I didn't need it back then..it's funny because back then I could have gotten anything I wanted...now I want my strength to get back up where it was and I can't even get a proper first cycle...ain't that a bitch
 
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