Adding hcg to clomid (enclomiphene) to raise test

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So finally got my labs back. Like I thought my test Levels are crap. 291 (range 250-1100) so starting on 12.5 mg of enclomiphene daily I also ordered some hcg, and am thinking of running a low dose maybe 2 times a week along with the enclomiphene. Thoughts. I have read larger doses like 1000 units 3 times a week will cause problems due to desensitizing Luetinizing hormone production. Is it worth pinning 500-1000 units once or twice a week? or will that just cause issues without increasing test production. The only study I found showed using clomid with 5000 units twice a week worked better than the other protocols they were using but that seems a little excessive.
 
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You should not run HCG along with a SERM. Run just the SERM. Enclomiphene, which is not clomid. Clomid is called Clomiphene. I would even run the enclomiphene at 25mg a day. Half life is only around 6 hours if it is indeed enclomiphene.
 
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So finally got my labs back. Like I thought my test Levels are crap. 291 (range 250-1100) so starting on 12.5 mg of enclomiphene daily I also ordered some hcg, and am thinking of running a low dose maybe 2 times a week along with the enclomiphene. Thoughts. I have read larger doses like 1000 units 3 times a week will cause problems due to desensitizing Luetinizing hormone production. Is it worth pinning 500-1000 units once or twice a week? or will that just cause issues without increasing test production. The only study I found showed using clomid with 5000 units twice a week worked better than the other protocols they were using but that seems a little excessive.
Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable using (or recommending) high doses of HCG, without a Dr's recommendation/Supervision.
 
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The serm should get you producing what the hcg is supplementing so it's pretty common to not run concurrent
 
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Thanks for the feedback. Yeah it is enclomiphene I just put clomid in the title because there seems to be a lot more info on clomid than just enclomiphene. Guess I will save the hcg for something else.
 
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Thanks for the feedback. Yeah it is enclomiphene I just put clomid in the title because there seems to be a lot more info on clomid than just enclomiphene. Guess I will save the hcg for something else.
Clomid is both the en and zu isomers. Enclom is is the good stuff, zu builds with a long hf and causes some men to cry during the notebook lol
 
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Clomid is both the en and zu isomers. Enclom is is the good stuff, zu builds with a long hf and causes some men to cry during the notebook lol
please tell me the reason YOU find Enclom to be 'the' good stuff? and why is men crying during the notebook a good thing?
 
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please tell me the reason YOU find Enclom to be 'the' good stuff? and why is men crying during the notebook a good thing?
Saying the enclom isomer is the most beneficial for pct purposes and the zuclom is the isomer that causes estrogenic sides in some tissues and has a longer hf in comparison so it gradually builds in the system.

If I'm wrong I'm willing to be educated?
 
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Saying the enclom isomer is the most beneficial for pct purposes and the zuclom is the isomer that causes estrogenic sides in some tissues and has a longer hf in comparison so it gradually builds in the system.

If I'm wrong I'm willing to be educated?
educated would mean capability of constructing a sentence properly, or am i wrong?
 

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Below is a study showing the zuclomiphene isomer to act in a deleterious manner in the testes, causing degradation of function.


Enclom didn't negatively affect testicular function.

I have personally experienced the negative effects of zuclom accumulation. For PCT, clomid is perfectly fine. If one is looking to use something long term, I think enclom is the way to go.
 

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I just saw the error message in the link. The link is still functional on my phone.
 
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educated would mean capability of constructing a sentence properly, or am i wrong?
Capability is a noun. It would be 'the' capability. If you want to be a grammer nazi should proof read your own posts
 
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Capability is a noun. It would be 'the' capability. If you want to be a grammer nazi should proof read your own posts
excellent post. i see i've steered you on the right path!
 
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??? I have no idea what the point of that was. Do you have any beneficial information regarding enclom or clomid or just coming to pester typing on mobile?
 
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??? I have no idea what the point of that was. Do you have any beneficial information regarding enclom or clomid or just coming to pester typing on mobile?
i am not posting or posting on mobile. my intention was not to pester, merely to clarify the information.
 
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i am not posting or posting on mobile. my intention was not to pester, merely to clarify the information.
Oh ok. Not trying to have or start internet beef or anything lol. Was seriously just wondering if my thought on the subject was flawed.... I was referring to myself. I'm on mobile so swipe typing doesn't really care for great grammer and punctuation when swiping
 
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Oh ok. Not trying to have or start internet beef or anything lol. Was seriously just wondering if my thought on the subject was flawed.... I was referring to myself. I'm on mobile so swipe typing doesn't really care for great grammer and punctuation when swiping
sorry, i am old school and never post on mobile. i wasn't saying you were posting flawed information only that it might not be clear to all. in fact after double checking, the information you are posting is not flawed at all.

in all honesty i want to thank you for the great info!
 
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I know it's fairly new, is it still under patent? Can research chems loophole this if it is?
 
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I know it's fairly new, is it still under patent? Can research chems loophole this if it is?
Honestly they can't really loophole anything like that.

But if you mean strictly from a patent standpoint .... No.
Like you said, it's still new.
 
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imo, a product with no trustworthy source is not a good product...feel free to correct me if i am wrong!
The only place I know of supposed pharm grade is a popular reddit source. Not naming any but I haven't found it anywhere else except pop up research chem places that seem very sketch... My go to overseas pharm has none and I'm not sure I'm on board for reddit stuff. So I'm in the same boat as you.
 

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A big issue with Enclomiphene is that everyone will tell you theirs is "100% Legit".
But the majority of it is just Clomid at best.
Is this still the case as finding legit enclomiphene seems to be found, whether its legit or not, how would one know?
 
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Is this still the case as finding legit enclomiphene seems to be found, whether its legit or not, how would one know?
I haven't personally seen any RELIABLE feedback.
Really, until someone we Know tests it, we won't know for sure.
 

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En-Clofert by Maneesh Pharmaceuticals is supposed to be enclomiphene, on it right now
 

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Any feedback
Well i only started it a few days ago, but i plan to get bloods done in a couple of weeks. What i can say though is that it doesn't taste like regular clomid (i sometimes chew pills up before swallowing). I've used the same manufacturers regular clomid, and just going by taste, it's different. I'm saying this because there had been some talk on the web anout the description on the packaging of En-Clofert suggesting it's just high dose clomid "equivalent to 50mg enclomiphene", but i don't think it is. Maybe i should up the dose, see if it gives me the emotional sides i get when using clomid over 25mg, might try that.
 

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