Absoluty best well rounded epi product

goodvibes said:
I don't really care until it's out cause until then you're just making me drool and I can't do anything about it.
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Sorry bro. One i have tried thats out and i also loved is myosynergy. Ran like three bottles. Great stuff. They just dropped mysynergy elite also which is supposed to be even better.
 
musclemaker said:
Check out the info on Epi 2.0. http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/epi-2-0-by-vital-labs

Why Is Epi 2.0 So Much More Effective Than the Competition?

Vital Labs carefully analyzed Epicatechin, and the unfortunate truth was that when people were taking it, their body was deactivating and barely absorbing majority of it, limiting its’ effectiveness.

The compound that helps you push past your own genetic potential, wasn’t even coming close to meeting its own potential.

The problem was the way your body metabolized the compound. Once in your system, the enzyme that metabolizes Epi would attach a sulfur atom to it - this is what causes the deactivation of the compound. Those same enzymes are also highly present in your skin, so Vital Labs had to immediately rule out a version of the product that you would rub on your skin (transdermal), as that would make the ingredient even less effective.

Vital Labs then discovered the answer to this problem.

The answer lied with an ingredient called Quercetin, an ingredient that inhibits this process, preventing the compound from being deactivated.

In fact, it prevents the deactivation so well, that it is almost doubles the amount of time the compound remains active (half-life) in your system.

Vital Labs went and upped the ante by adding in a massively strong, selective absorption promoter to the formula called Sodium Caprate. An ingredient that temporarily loosens the barriers between your intestines and blood stream selectively allowing compounds like Epi in, and allowing you to get the maximum amount of Epi absorbed!
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So you're saying epic unleashed TD is pointless?
 
The way sodium caprate reads reminds of that LPC compound that PA brought out back in the mid 90's when the 1/4 andro's came out...anyone?
 
jcalvert86 said:
So you're saying epic unleashed TD is pointless?
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Highly unlikely. Just look at the feedback and results.

Also, Epic Unleashed uses our PhytoFUSE technology for increased bioavailability, having the potential to improve this by 200-600%.

Also, let's not forget that the published human studies used ORAL doses lower than most (-)epi products out there and with no absorption aids.

Food for thought.
 
ucheoma said:
Well here's one disappointment. Ive been on epi-plex for 3 weeks now (2x/day) and noticed zero endurance effects. Very disappointed. I tried follidrone previously and felt marked increases in Endurance during work outs although not always consistently. Cant wait to finish off the bottle and move to EU. Have 2 bottles. Will decide if I want to continue running EPIs after this run
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Sorry to hear about your experience. It's interesting that you had endurance effects from Follidrone which has no absorption enhancers.
 
T-Bone said:
I haven't really noticed anything at all from any -epi product. Taking it now for health & anti-oxidant benefits.
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I echo this. Ive used most now and just not been impressed.

Im curious, when people say endurance, do they mean can pump out more reps? Isnt that just strength?
 
Jiigzz said:
I echo this. Ive used most now and just not been impressed.

Im curious, when people say endurance, do they mean can pump out more reps? Isnt that just strength?
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Within a few days of taking Epi a weight that I would fail on at 15 reps I could get 20 !!
 
Jiigzz said:
I echo this. Ive used most now and just not been impressed.

Im curious, when people say endurance, do they mean can pump out more reps? Isnt that just strength?
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Nothing for me either. I also run a few miles EOD for cardio - no noticeable reductions in times, and they didn't go back up when I stopped.

It's a healthy compound, no doubt - NO, blood flow, insulin sensitivity, etc.. But there has been just 1 human study that I know of in regards to strength, and it was n=6 with no placebo, where they got a 7% (worth the money?) increase in grip. As well as:

The published study reports that the follistatin to myostatin ratio of the six middle-aged subjects increased +49.2% (follistatin)/ -16.6% (myostatin), which suggests an increase in follistatin levels and a decrease in myostatin levels. However, the exact changes in myostatin and follistatin levels were not reported.
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But what does that get you? No one knows. Maybe 50% more Follistatin doesn't do jack? :)

I eat 20g of Hershey's Cacao per day and call it good for the general health benefit.
 
Rocket3015 said:
Within a few days of taking Epi a weight that I would fail on at 15 reps I could get 20 !!
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Yeah but what about the 10 other supplements you were taking at the time?. Also your "TRT" that you've admitted to taking twice as much as your doctor prescribed. No one can properly evaluate one supplement with so many other things going on.
 
What is the Difference between lets say Folidrone and the old PH Epi ??
 
Jiigzz said:
I echo this. Ive used most now and just not been impressed.

Im curious, when people say endurance, do they mean can pump out more reps? Isnt that just strength?
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I notice more volume and shorter time between sets. Also seems to enhance my cardio to a very noticeable degree. Other than that, after a month or so I seem to get more vascular (this is likely just a result of pumping out greater volume in a shorter timeframe and increased cardio rather than a direct effect of epi).

Even though I rep for OL, I'm not afraid to admit that I liked EpiPlex @ 3 caps/day. It took a few weeks to shine though and if you notice my remarks on it early on they were not the most favorable. But after 3 weeks+ I started to see the benefits of it.

My dosing is also a bit less orthodox than most. I split the doses every 3-4 hours to take greater advantage of the possible benefits from Myostatin inhibition.
 
Jiigzz said:
I echo this. Ive used most now and just not been impressed.

Im curious, when people say endurance, do they mean can pump out more reps? Isnt that just strength?
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(-)-epi treats me really well and my experience is I can pump out more volume. I can try maxing out but the weight increase isn't much. But if I double up on amount of sets performed I can do 2-3x more sets than normal without it. When on follidrone I basically run 6-10 set workouts because it takes me a long time to get exhausted.
 
goodvibes said:
(-)-epi treats me really well and my experience is I can pump out more volume. I can try maxing out but the weight increase isn't much. But if I double up on amount of sets performed I can do 2-3x more sets than normal without it. When on follidrone I basically run 6-10 set workouts because it takes me a long time to get exhausted.
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Well Put, I see the same thing !
 
kboxer7 said:
I notice more volume and shorter time between sets. Also seems to enhance my cardio to a very noticeable degree. Other than that, after a month or so I seem to get more vascular (this is likely just a result of pumping out greater volume in a shorter timeframe and increased cardio rather than a direct effect of epi).

Even though I rep for OL, I'm not afraid to admit that I liked EpiPlex @ 3 caps/day. It took a few weeks to shine though and if you notice my remarks on it early on they were not the most favorable. But after 3 weeks+ I started to see the benefits of it.

My dosing is also a bit less orthodox than most. I split the doses every 3-4 hours to take greater advantage of the possible benefits from Myostatin inhibition.
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Interesting. I might try other dosing schemes. I record everything I do in a training log with planned periodization and expected improvements (I love training as a science) so I notice if things affect me beyond what I can expect normally. I can't predict all outcomes, so there are days when the stars are aligned and I blow my normal progression out of the water but when I plot it on a graph (nerd level x 1000) , the increases follow suit with what I have done in the past.

So I'm yet to use much which profoundly changes my planned increases. Will see how it affects my endurance cardio wise.
 
Jiigzz said:
I echo this. Ive used most now and just not been impressed.

Im curious, when people say endurance, do they mean can pump out more reps? Isnt that just strength?
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I responded well to regular -epi, both EP1C and Follidrone ande even better to EP1C Unleash3d.

I saw increased and endurance. When I say endurance I mean reduced time to failure. I could be lifting for an hour and I don't seem to get fatigued which ultimately leads me to shorten time between sets without dropping weight (more super setting too).
 
took Ep1c unleashed oral for the first time today got a headache and felt nothing in the gym ...
are the headaches common or could be a side effect/ not good?
 
TheIronAsylum said:
took Ep1c unleashed oral for the first time today got a headache and felt nothing in the gym ...
are the headaches common or could be a side effect/ not good?
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I am not sure about the headaches, but I do not believe you will feel anything with (1) dose.
 
TheIronAsylum said:
took Ep1c unleashed oral for the first time today got a headache and felt nothing in the gym ...
are the headaches common or could be a side effect/ not good?
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Usually noticeable effects in the gym are seen 3-5 days in at the earliest. As far as the headaches, I have not heard anyone getting that from EU or -epi in general... if it persists after a few days discontinue use and see if it goes away.
 
GNO said:
Usually noticeable effects in the gym are seen 3-5 days in at the earliest. As far as the headaches, I have not heard anyone getting that from EU or -epi in general... if it persists after a few days discontinue use and see if it goes away.
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This is right on!
 
GNO said:
Usually noticeable effects in the gym are seen 3-5 days in at the earliest. As far as the headaches, I have not heard anyone getting that from EU or -epi in general... if it persists after a few days discontinue use and see if it goes away.
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This is right on!
 
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