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Absolute Beginner Cycle- Just 4-Andro or Add 1-Andro?

musicman725

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Hey guys, first of all wanted to say thanks for all the great info on here. I've been on here for a couple months researching what I want to do for my first PH cycle.

Little background: I've been lifting for about 6 years, competed Men's physique twice. I'm 5'6" 155, 10-ish % BF right now. I'm interested in doing my first PH cycle. My ideal weight is 160-165, so I'm not looking for anything to add a ton of mass, but I would like to try to get about 5 lbs out of a couple cycles. Since this is my first rodeo and I'm looking for something relatively mild, I was planning on doing a first cycle with just 4-andro at around 300mg/d, maybe going up to 500 depending on how I respond. I've already started taking my on-cycle support and have both Ultra Male RX/Nolva on the way. Planning to start my PCT with just the Ultra Male and if I see any more danger signs of gyno etc. then switch to Nolva. (Would love you guys opinion on whether that's a good plan, as well.) Most of what I've read, though, says that 4-andro is great for libido/energy/etc. but is really hit and miss about whether it actually adds any mass on a cycle. I know that 1-andro/4-andro is a really popular combination, so my real question is- should I start with just the 4-andro for this cycle or go ahead and stack with 1-andro at a reasonable dosage (200-300mg)?

Thanks in advance for the advice!
 
I would stack the 2, 4 andro solo won't really produce any gains. A serm in pct is a must, you want to get your test levels back up as soon as possible. Do you have an ai for on cycle? I had high estrogen sides at 200mg of 4 andro, you need to grab some exemestane. A good armistane product, like eliminate, would be good to run on cycle for estrogen management as well
 
Thanks man. I've got plenty of arimistane (Erase and E-control rx 2) hanging around. Are you suggesting run both exem and arim or just one of the 2?
 
musicman725 said:
Thanks man. I've got plenty of arimistane (Erase and E-control rx 2) hanging around. Are you suggesting run both exem and arim or just one of the 2?
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Just run the armistane on cycle and only use exemestane if you have high estrogen sides. You don't want to get your estrogen too low either, that comes with its own little set of sides.
 
musicman725 said:
What dosage would you recommend if I'm doing 300mg each of 1 and 4 andro? Just a regular 50-75 mg of arimistane?
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Sounds like a solid plan
 
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