abortion vs car manslaughter

delta314 said:
I disagree. Why should a rape victim be forced to carry an unwanted child for nine months to appease your religous beliefs?
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If I am walking through WalMart with my father and he pulls out a gun and shoots someone, should I get in trouble? No. I am an inocent witness, its just that the shooter happened to be my father. Am I guyily of a crime? No.


Is the unborn child guilty of any crime? No. It just happened to be the offspring of a rapist. The raper doesnt get death for raping someone, why should an innocent kid? That would be like giving ME a larger punishment then my dad for my dad shoothing someone.


delta314 said:
I for one would not neg rep anyone.
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I'm not reg repping someone unless they make a personal attack on me. I would rather debate with 100 fools then 1 ass.
 
True, but only in the late term. If abortion takes place when the fetus is largely just a conglomerate of cells without many human attributes, then, it didn't suffer at all.

Living a life with a mother who may not be able to look at you, love you, or send you off to a life of foster homes and pain would be worse, IMHO.
 
Someone neg repped me with some gibberish comment. I dont care, what was einsteins, arestottles (sp?), and other peoples reputation before they were known as a genius :rofl: , not much.

BTW- I took a MENSA test online today in school bc i was bored- I scored a 20, genius range is above 19. What now... WHAT NOW!

About time some of yall grow up.
 
Just a few observations.....

1) Not many personal attacks in this thread. Im proud of yall.


2) You get more punishment for killing a praying mantas then for killing a fetus...
 
spatch said:
BTW- I took a MENSA test online today in school bc i was bored- I scored a 20, genius range is above 19. What now... WHAT NOW!
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Not to be spatch's bitch but i agree with the test results.
The threads he starts have a completely higher path of thought than most people are capable of.

......and the responses that some have given in this thread are proof of my statement.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Is every rapist a psychopath.....no
We are all human beings capable of making mistakes. We can all chose to entertain disturbing thoughts until they turn into obsessions that could guide our actions. That is how most (possibly all) serial killer/rapist's get off their base with reality.
Give the child up for adoption.

Is the mothers psychological pain a good enough argument to merit murder? Should it be legal for me to kill people that have hurt my feelings or bulied me?

What you are saying is what they say about a horse: "If its lame, shoot it!"
Last time I checked, killing a mentally impaired human was illegal. Now i put down that argument.....any others?
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I missed this one. Your comparisons are not very good. First of all if a horse is lame you should shoot it! Otherwise it will just suffer. If a horse can't walk/run it will be miserable. "Last time I checked, killing a mentally impaired human was illegal. Now I put down that argument....any others?" I mean I have no idea what that has to do with anything, but apparently you feel as though you earned a victory. I guess I should'nt have thrown in the thing about having the psychopath genes, but how about just not wanting to have the perfectly good genes of someone that you did'nt choose to mate with. If a woman is raped she should be able to monitor and find out early if she is pregnant, and abort the baby early on. The baby does'nt suffer, the woman does'nt suffer. You think the woman should go through 9 months of pregnancy, which is no easy task, then have the kid adopted, which always ends up great(sarcasm). I don't know maybe your right, maybe your not, but quit acting like you defeated me. What's up now paaaartner!
 
spatch said:
Someone neg repped me with some gibberish comment. I dont care, what was einsteins, arestottles (sp?), and other peoples reputation before they were known as a genius :rofl: , not much.

BTW- I took a MENSA test online today in school bc i was bored- I scored a 20, genius range is above 19. What now... WHAT NOW!

About time some of yall grow up.
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A true genius would'nt brag!!!!!!!!!I've seen no evidence of genius, but to you I'm one of those mediocre minds that geniuses like you will have to face on your journey to greatness. Good stuff ah Good stuff.
 
A mother enduring a pregnancy from a rape is unfortunate but I hardly see how it is fair to kill a person for a woman to avoid discomfort.

I'm not forcing anyone to not get an abortion. Im just saying that i think its wrong and I have given my reasons.



Im impressed with you all. Im wondering how the hell this thread has remained open so long.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Alexander.... i guess how i finished that post was childish but you just stooped to my level at the end of your post.
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Yeah, the difference is I was obviously kidding, you definitely were not.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Not to be spatch's bitch but i agree with the test results.
The threads he starts have a completely higher path of thought than most people are capable of.

......and the responses that some have given in this thread are proof of my statement.
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Not bragging what so ever, butI have met 2-3 fellow 17 year olds that can truly get the level of "genius", if you can call it that, that I believe I posess. Not trying to be a prick, all people are good at different things. I dont know crap about cars, computers, and/or women :nutkick: (edit- after i submitted this, I spilt my cassein shake all over my monitor)


If I didnt meet resistance, I would be disapointed. Does the common folk meet resistance for his thoughts? No. Does he ever achieve anything great with them? No.


Genius comes in several forms, most of which are not detected with any of mankinds sences.
 
I have not seen nor heard anything truly insightful or thought provoking. Same rhetoric that has been going on for the past few decades. Usually from the "religious right" trying to show those with different beliefs the virtue of theirs.

Just a lot of bullshit, I am right you are wrong blah blah blah.

In a functional family/society, there can be 2 opposite opinions and nobody needs to be wrong.

Just a heads up, **** eventually changes. Maybe one day you will be faced with a similar situation and have a completely different view on things.

Walk a mile in someone else's moccasins before making any judgements about them, and let he who is without sin throw the first stone.
 
spatch said:
If I didnt meet resistance, I would be disapointed. Does the common folk meet resistance for his thoughts? No. Does he ever achieve anything great with them? No.


Genius comes in several forms, most of which are not detected with any of mankinds sences.
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Well genius how about focusing some of that mental energy into your spelling. It is atrocious :rofl:
 
spatch said:
Not bragging what so ever, butI have met 2-3 fellow 17 year olds that can truly get the level of "genius", if you can call it that, that I believe I posess. Not trying to be a prick, all people are good at different things. I dont know crap about cars, computers, and/or women :nutkick:


If I didnt meet resistance, I would be disapointed. Does the common folk meet resistance for his thoughts? No. Does he ever achieve anything great with them? No.


Genius comes in several forms, most of which are not detected with any of mankinds sences.
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Fair enough! I don't like the different people are good at different thing outlook. Thats just so people that suck can feel good about themselves too. Its sort of also what leads to people thinking, well hes a big bodybuilder so hes probably stupid(can't be physically and mentally talented). I mean its definitely true, different people are good at different things, but that outlook is generally used so losers don't feel like ****.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Alexander.... would you please give a short, yet specific list of your position on specific abortion situations.
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Basically if the woman is raped or in danger of dying herself, I think abortion is O.K.
 
Alexander said:
Fair enough! I don't like the different people are good at different thing outlook. Thats just so people that suck can feel good about themselves too. Its sort of also what leads to people thinking, well hes a big bodybuilder so hes probably stupid(can't be physically and mentally talented). I mean its definitely true, different people are good at different things, but that outlook is generally used so losers don't feel like ****.
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very true.....

and you see that in movies a lot.....both joking and serious
 
jonny21 said:
Well genius how about focusing some of that mental energy into your spelling. It is atrocious :rofl:
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your telling me. I am more dependant on spell check then a crack head is to the pipe.
 
Alexander said:
Basically if the woman is raped or in danger of dying herself, I think abortion is O.K.
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Well here is my opinion....and i completely repect yours.

I would definitely like it if situations didn't arise where women would want an abortion but....
I'm 100% against married couples getting an abortion.
I'm 70-80% against dating couples getting an abortion.
I'm 10% agaist rape/incest victims getting an abortion.
And I'm 100% for mothers getting an abortion when their life is in serious danger.

Thats my "emotions attached" opinion.
 
EEmain said:
How many that are against abortion are for the death penalty?
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If this is an argument, I don't see the correlation so many people try to draw with it.

In one case, you've got an innocent child being killed, yet, in the other, a convicted murder.

IMO it's not that "everyone deserves to be alive", its simply that once alive, everyone deserves a "fair shot" that shouldn't be "stolen" from them. If you commit a cold-blooded murder haenous enough to get you death row, you threw your chance down the garbage disposal :D
 
spatch said:
If I am walking through WalMart with my father and he pulls out a gun and shoots someone, should I get in trouble? No. I am an inocent witness, its just that the shooter happened to be my father. Am I guyily of a crime? No.



Is the unborn child guilty of any crime? No. It just happened to be the offspring of a rapist. The raper doesnt get death for raping someone, why should an innocent kid? That would be like giving ME a larger punishment then my dad for my dad shoothing someone.






I'm not reg repping someone unless they make a personal attack on me. I would rather debate with 100 fools then 1 ass.
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You are not making a logical comparison.

Unless you are a woman in that situation, you don't have the right to decide. And again, you are making a rediculous comparison.

No neg reping here, just debate.
 
spatch said:
And not to float my own boat, but I dont think my genetics are THAT far behind colemans (only about a half light year instead of a full one :rofl: ) I mean I have parents of kids on the football team saying im a bad influence because my size is making kids want to do roids. Kinda like how hot chicks on magazines make "larger" women go anorexic.
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spatch said:
BTW- I took a MENSA test online today in school bc i was bored- I scored a 20, genius range is above 19. What now... WHAT NOW!
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Not to be a dick Spatch but your claims are ridiculous. Genetics of Ronnie Coleman and brains of a "genius". Come on, you sound like a typical e-bullshitter. Whatever happened to the pics of yourself that make parents of the kids on your football team feel like your a bad influence because "you make them want to try steroids."
 
max-rot98 said:
Not to be a dick Spatch but your claims are ridiculous. Genetics of Ronnie Coleman and brains of a "genius". Come on, you sound like a typical e-bullshitter. Whatever happened to the pics of yourself that make parents of the kids on your football team feel like your a bad influence because "you make them want to try steroids."
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good call. i believe the saying goes "put up or shut up".
 
The laws have a strong potential to change with the new Justice. It will be interesting.

The thing that bothers me the most regarding abortion is that supporters call it "pro-choice" and are all about how "no one should interfere with a mother's choice." The baby never gets a choice..
 
There are enough children without parents already. If the child is unwanted, and it is within the time limit for abortion, it should be up to the mother. Unwanted children foster abuse. In the case of rape, the child doesn't get a choice, it was not wanted and it was forced upon the woman. The rapist should recieve the death penalty, and the child should be aborted. Harsh, but too bad.
In a perfect world, everyone would make the right decisions, and people would not become parents until they were ready to raise a family. Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world.
 
max-rot98 said:
Not to be a dick Spatch but your claims are ridiculous. Genetics of Ronnie Coleman and brains of a "genius". Come on, you sound like a typical e-bullshitter. Whatever happened to the pics of yourself that make parents of the kids on your football team feel like your a bad influence because "you make them want to try steroids."
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Does anyone know if its possible to load pics from a camera PHONE to a computer. If not, I will have to wait untill I can get my hands on a digital camera.
 
spatch said:
Does anyone know if its possible to load pics from a camera PHONE to a computer. If not, I will have to wait untill I can get my hands on a digital camera.
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A genius would know how......:rofl:
 
There are a few positions a person can have on the subject on abortion. There are people who believe that the minute a woman becomes pregnant, that is a baby. If you have that view point than you essentially have to believe abortion is murder. What the state says is there is a point that it isn't a child but almost a blue print and up to a certain point it's ok to terminate the pregnancy. What spatch was asking is why is it murder or manslaughter in one case but in the other it's a woman right to choose? In my opinion this is a valid question to ask. This is why you had loony pro abortions groups apposing the ruling in the Peterson case that he be charged with two murders. It opens the door to that question that they don't want asked.
I don't like the way the subject of abortion is framed in this country. The way it is talked about it almost on the same lines of our fore fathers fighting for freedom of speech. It is also almost talked about like a form of contraception which it should not be. Most people don't even know what it is and if they did see what it is they would probably change their mind about it. This is why organizations like planed parent hood oppose showing what a abortion procedure entails. On top of that it is more complicated than that. Abortion is talked about on such generally terms but there are many subdivisions on the subject. I have posted this before but I'll do it again here are possible positions on the subject.

1. You believe that when a woman becomes pregnant that is a baby. If this is your view point you must believe that abortion is murder.
2. You believe that the first few months that it is not a baby so ending the pregnancy is ok.
3. You believe all abortion is ok. You support partial birth abortions.

With those three positions there are also some other questions like do you think that it's ok for a 14 year old to get an abortion with out parental notification. You have fringe elements on both sides. On one you have people who believe abortion is murder and it is wrong but bomb a abortion clinic killing people. On the other you have abortion activist who literally believe a woman has a right to get an abortion if she's 8 months pregnant. Then there is the question is where in the constitution gives the right to abortion? If Roe V Wade was overturned all it would do is leave it to the states to decide if they want to allow abortions. This is an issue I don't think people really put much though into. We are almost brain washed to think of it along the same lines as freedom of press. A person gets in the situation where they have to decide to keep a pregnancy or not and make the decision based on what they were taught about it in school and on TV. They end up going threw with it and regret it when later they see a sonogram or have children later in life.
 
spatch said:
Does anyone know if its possible to load pics from a camera PHONE to a computer. If not, I will have to wait untill I can get my hands on a digital camera.
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send it to your email address.....:blink:
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
If this is an argument, I don't see the correlation so many people try to draw with it.

In one case, you've got an innocent child being killed, yet, in the other, a convicted murder.

IMO it's not that "everyone deserves to be alive", its simply that once alive, everyone deserves a "fair shot" that shouldn't be "stolen" from them. If you commit a cold-blooded murder haenous enough to get you death row, you threw your chance down the garbage disposal :D
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Just want to see if the same people that oppose abortion also support the death penalty. Which is almost always true. On the other hand those that are Pro-Choice can be either Pro-DP or not.

In order to oppose abortion you must be willing to take the step that a baby
is a full fledge human at conception.
Or a religious belief that a soul is already present at this time.

Just dialogue everythings not always an arguement.

By the way I am Pro-Pro. Pro-choice up to the point where the baby is easily identifiable as a human rather than a fish or something. And Pro-DP because you get what you deserve.
 
If someone believes that a Fetus has a soul, and in the concept of an afterlife, quality of destination based on sin, but is opposed to abortion could'nt another person argue that aborting the fetus is doing them a kindness, the automatic entry to heaven because they were killed while still in a state of grace?

It's not an argument I would make, it's not my place to decide this and I'm not religious, but it is logical in relation to these afterlife and sin beliefs of the anti-abortionist.
 
delta314 said:
There are enough children without parents already. If the child is unwanted, and it is within the time limit for abortion, it should be up to the mother. Unwanted children foster abuse. In the case of rape, the child doesn't get a choice, it was not wanted and it was forced upon the woman. The rapist should recieve the death penalty, and the child should be aborted. Harsh, but too bad.
In a perfect world, everyone would make the right decisions, and people would not become parents until they were ready to raise a family. Unfortunately this isn't a perfect world.
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Just the mother huh. What of cases where the father wants the child? Is it not his kid's life on the line?

Most intelligent lawyers, pro-abortion, or pro-life, agree that Roe v Wade is just plain bad law.
 
EEmain said:
Just want to see if the same people that oppose abortion also support the death penalty. Which is almost always true. On the other hand those that are Pro-Choice can be either Pro-DP or not.
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Actually, I find it quite the opposite. Most religious groups are anti-abortion, and are also anti-death penalty.

I think its a common misconception. The only place you'll see a combination of those two are probably the southern states.
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By the way I am Pro-Pro. Pro-choice up to the point where the baby is easily identifiable as a human rather than a fish or something. And Pro-DP because you get what you deserve.
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Well, I'm right there with ya then :D
 
brogers said:
Just the mother huh. What of cases where the father wants the child? Is it not his kid's life on the line?

Most intelligent lawyers, pro-abortion, or pro-life, agree that Roe v Wade is just plain bad law.
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Great point; it is now insisted that BOTH PARENTS are pregant together, however, ultimately, it is ONLY the females choice.

I'll still maintain the woman has the ultimate right to chose, but I can see this being an easily debatable topic and I could understand opinions from both sides.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
There are a few positions a person can have on the subject on abortion. There are people who believe that the minute a woman becomes pregnant, that is a baby. If you have that view point than you essentially have to believe abortion is murder. What the state says is there is a point that it isn't a child but almost a blue print and up to a certain point it's ok to terminate the pregnancy. What spatch was asking is why is it murder or manslaughter in one case but in the other it's a woman right to choose? In my opinion this is a valid question to ask. This is why you had loony pro abortions groups apposing the ruling in the Peterson case that he be charged with two murders. It opens the door to that question that they don't want asked.
I don't like the way the subject of abortion is framed in this country. The way it is talked about it almost on the same lines of our fore fathers fighting for freedom of speech. It is also almost talked about like a form of contraception which it should not be. Most people don't even know what it is and if they did see what it is they would probably change their mind about it. This is why organizations like planed parent hood oppose showing what a abortion procedure entails. On top of that it is more complicated than that. Abortion is talked about on such generally terms but there are many subdivisions on the subject. I have posted this before but I'll do it again here are possible positions on the subject.

1. You believe that when a woman becomes pregnant that is a baby. If this is your view point you must believe that abortion is murder.
2. You believe that the first few months that it is not a baby so ending the pregnancy is ok.
3. You believe all abortion is ok. You support partial birth abortions.

With those three positions there are also some other questions like do you think that it's ok for a 14 year old to get an abortion with out parental notification. You have fringe elements on both sides. On one you have people who believe abortion is murder and it is wrong but bomb a abortion clinic killing people. On the other you have abortion activist who literally believe a woman has a right to get an abortion if she's 8 months pregnant. Then there is the question is where in the constitution gives the right to abortion? If Roe V Wade was overturned all it would do is leave it to the states to decide if they want to allow abortions. This is an issue I don't think people really put much though into. We are almost brain washed to think of it along the same lines as freedom of press. A person gets in the situation where they have to decide to keep a pregnancy or not and make the decision based on what they were taught about it in school and on TV. They end up going threw with it and regret it when later they see a sonogram or have children later in life.
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good post :clap2:
 
Our country is going to hell in a hand basket. Our values, ethics, and morals are so watered down and skewed it's destroying our way of life. There's a reason why this country is not like it was in 1950.

We as a country need to sit down and think about how were going to clean up the mess. Kids shooting kids everyday, Parents saying it's ok for their kids to drink and do drugs as long as they "do it at the house so I can watch them"? I mean wtf is wrong with us.

I think the big issue here is mistakes. People don't want to own up to them anymore. They want an easy way out. My friend got pregnant at 15. Guess what, despite the fact that she was so young she realized that she made the choice to have sex and not use protection. She had her son whom she loves more then life itself. She told me the child shouldn't pay her consequences.

Bottom line no one wants to work for it anymore, whatevers more convienent at the time an or easiest is the way to go.

People forget the harder things in life are the things that pay out the most. Damn shame.
 
brogers said:
Just the mother huh. What of cases where the father wants the child? Is it not his kid's life on the line?

Most intelligent lawyers, pro-abortion, or pro-life, agree that Roe v Wade is just plain bad law.
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The father doesn't carry the child in his womb for nine months. It's hard enough to get "fathers" to pay child support once the child is born. It definitely is not a 50/50 split. Like I said before, it would be great if everyone who became parents actually wanted to. If they were intelligent people, they would have made sure that the woman would not get pregnant before they had sex in the first place.
Int the case of a rape victim, no, the father (and I use the term loosely) does not get any say so. He sould be executed for his deed.
Evidently their are some intelligent lawyers that think Roe vs Wade is a good law.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Great point; it is now insisted that BOTH PARENTS are pregant together, however, ultimately, it is ONLY the females choice.

I'll still maintain the woman has the ultimate right to chose, but I can see this being an easily debatable topic and I could understand opinions from both sides.
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I agree. Everyone deserves to have an opinion, and that's why this is the best country in the world. Because we can have our own opinion. So far this thread had stayed very civilized. There has been excellent points from both sides of the spectrum.
 
EEmain said:
Just want to see if the same people that oppose abortion also support the death penalty. Which is almost always true. On the other hand those that are Pro-Choice can be either Pro-DP or not.

In order to oppose abortion you must be willing to take the step that a baby
is a full fledge human at conception.
Or a religious belief that a soul is already present at this time.

Just dialogue everythings not always an arguement.

By the way I am Pro-Pro. Pro-choice up to the point where the baby is easily identifiable as a human rather than a fish or something. And Pro-DP because you get what you deserve.
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I am Pro-Pro also. I think most people that are against abortion entirely are also against the death penalty. But then, I'm from the South!
 
Here's how the law works regarding unborn children:

unborn children are recognized under the law as living beings, HOWEVER, they are subject to different laws than most people. Just as children under the a certain age are subject to different laws.

Children under the age of 18 cannot vote for example. In most cases, children under 18 cannot go to jail, only be sentenced to a juvy facility. Children under 18 cannot be sentenced most times for any more time than until their 18th birthday.

You see, recognized as alive but governed by different laws.


Unborn children have these laws: their life may be terminated WITH CONSENT FROM THE MOTHER (with limimtations which vary state to state). Some of the limitations include a further restriction past the second trimester. In those situations usually the law is changed to the child may be terminated with consent from the mother only if the mother's life is put in jeopardy by the child.


Given that specific distinction under the law, it is CLEAR AS DAY, that legally, no one other than the mother may give consent to terminate an unborn child. As such, if the child is terminated by someone without the mother's consent, that person is guilty of murder by default. I say by default because unless the situation is under the special case mentioned above, it follows the same laws as everyone else. So, since the mother didn't give consent for the other motorist to kill her unborn child, the motorist under the law is guilty fo murder.


It is a very very simple, clearcut situation. There is no confusion here.
 
Unfortunately this a catch-22 no-win situation.
Personally my feeling is if you don't have a uterus or YOUR bun in someone's oven you've got no say.
But the killing of an unborn child through neglect, spousal abuse, or murdering the mother.
Should count as two seperate offenses because it was the mother's intention to carry the child to full term.
Or it may be a ploy by our government to gradually nudge out a woman's reproductive option.
Like I said it's a no win situation.

On a side note, the day my daughter was born. There was a baby expo at the hospital, and the pro-life ASSHOLES showed up with picket signs that had pictures of aborted fetuses on them. It was a baby expo not a frigging abortionist convention.
It just showed me the idiocy of these people, there hearts may be in the right place but there heads are way up their asses.
If I ever have to explain to my daughter one of those picket signs before she understands the whole reproductive process. I will put a couple of pro-life protestors in the hospital.
 
jminis said:
Our country is going to hell in a hand basket. Our values, ethics, and morals are so watered down and skewed it's destroying our way of life. There's a reason why this country is not like it was in 1950.

We as a country need to sit down and think about how were going to clean up the mess. Kids shooting kids everyday, Parents saying it's ok for their kids to drink and do drugs as long as they "do it at the house so I can watch them"? I mean wtf is wrong with us.

I think the big issue here is mistakes. People don't want to own up to them anymore. They want an easy way out. My friend got pregnant at 15. Guess what, despite the fact that she was so young she realized that she made the choice to have sex and not use protection. She had her son whom she loves more then life itself. She told me the child shouldn't pay her consequences.

Bottom line no one wants to work for it anymore, whatevers more convienent at the time an or easiest is the way to go.

People forget the harder things in life are the things that pay out the most. Damn shame.
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I don't understand the death penalty / abortion argument. What people are essentially saying who use that argument is that the pro life person is a hypocrite because they support the death penalty. It seems to me you are comparing apples and oranges. In one case you have a innocent baby that is still in the womb ( if that is the perspective that you take) and in the other a person who committed murder. The two are totally different. If an anti abortion person bombed an abortion clinic then you have hypocrisy but not with putting a murder to death because he is a threat to society.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
I don't understand the death penalty / abortion argument. What people are essentially saying who use that argument is that the pro life person is a hypocrite because they support the death penalty. It seems to me you are comparing apples and oranges. In one case you have a innocent baby that is still in the womb ( if that is the perspective that you take) and in the other a person who committed murder. The two are totally different. If an anti abortion person bombed an abortion clinic then you have hypocrisy but not with putting a murder to death because he is a threat to society.
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The logic that is typically used is because most pro-lifers are Christian Conservatives who use the bible as their source and more specifically "thou shalt not kill".

Thus the counter argument is "thou shalt not kill" is a full blanket meaning you aren't allowed to kill ANYONE, not just unborn children. This of course is only addressing those who use that commandment for their justification in being against abortion.


Also, for someone to be pro-life, they must be totally against death, otherwise they are simply anti-abortion. To be for the killing of one group but not another means that person is not "pro-life" but "pro-one-group's-life". Thus the argument also because of the misnomer "pro-life".


Similarly, pro-choice folks are frequently labelled "pro-abortion" by the other side, but here that label is not necessarily accurate. Pro-abortion implies that person is in favor of all fetuses being aborted and against procreation. Yet pro-choice is too ambiguous to be an accurate term as well.
 
The logic that is typically used is because most pro-lifers are Christian Conservatives who use the bible as their source and more specifically "thou shalt not kill".Thus the counter argument is "thou shalt not kill" is a full blanket meaning you aren't allowed to kill ANYONE, not just unborn children. This of course is only addressing those who use that commandment for their justification in being against abortion.
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What you are saying with that argument is all killing is the same. By that same rationale, a anti abortion person would be a hypocrite if he killed some one for breaking into is house and was defending his family. That's not the same thing. Being for puting a dangerous criminal to death is not the same as being against abortion.

Also, for someone to be pro-life, they must be totally against death, otherwise they are simply anti-abortion. To be for the killing of one group but not another means that person is not "pro-life" but "pro-one-group's-life". Thus the argument also because of the misnomer "pro-life".
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That is one of my problem with the subject prolife means they are anti abortion that doesn't necessarily mean they have to be against the death penalty. But in the media anti abortion groups are pro life and pro abortion groups are pro choice. I think framing the issue like that does everyone a disservice.
 
delta314 said:
I am Pro-Pro also. I think most people that are against abortion entirely are also against the death penalty. But then, I'm from the South!
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It would be interesting to see just how this would break down. As a whole. See how and why people take one side or the other... here in the NE it seems different to me. But then I base that on what I see not a poll or anything.
 
To futher what Jmin was saying... to me it comes down to the break down of the family and neighborhood. Single parents or both parents working all the time. Kids unsupervised at the will of the streets so to speak.

Also growing up if you did something in the neighborhood and somebody saw you an Ass-kicking was coming. Now you try and tell parents... No way not my child! Philly neighborhoods were known for it`s clean marble steps and the fact that families kept the neighborhood clean
and safe.

When is the last time you heard anyone below 30 use the term "Yes Sir or No Sir". **** when we were kids and the cops pulled up they were the only words you used. I`ve run more kids off as my childrens friends than you can imagine. My son got an F a couple of years ago and got grounded 30days. He tells me well my friend got 4 F`s and he isn`t grounded. Guess what he isn`t your friend anymore! Not that mine are angels but they damn well know if you **** up you will be in a whole mess of trouble.

This is not a shot at anyone just an observation from where I sit. I am sure there is lots of good kids out there just not enough it seems.
 
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