A steroid alternative that works ? this might be it

[iron poodle]

good lord bro

first off sorry about the lame title I couldn't think of anything better
I am interested in the possibility of increasing ones natural testosterone production, I've read that some users were able to get very good results with ATD & 3-OHAT so
I figure since ATD and 3-OHAT can have such a good response why not throw some more into the mix. Maybe this is a stupid idea but who knows might work wonders.

What if you took all these test boosters at one time.
Trib
Viraloid
3,17-dioxo-etiochol-1,4,6-triene (A.K.A. ATD)
6,17-dioxo-etiocholene-3-ol (A.K.A. 3-OHAT)
17-HD
ZMA
Avena Sativa (aka wild oat)
Tongkat Ali (aka Long Jack aka Eurycoma Longifolia)
Chrysin (5,7-Chrysin (Dihydroxy-flavone) )
Nettle
Muira puama
Diindolylmethane (DIM)
3,6,17-androstenetrione (aka 6-oxo)
+ whatever else I forgot or am unaware of
(I know this probably isn't the best stack but you get the idea, taking a bunch of different ones rather then just a couple)

I'd love to see someone who can get test levels tested try this for 60 days and see the results
What other substances could be used to increase ones testosterone production (Nolva, Clomid, liquidex, something else?)
What are the possible ways to increase natural test prod (estrogen-negative-feed-back-loop, androgen-negative-feed-back-loop...what else?)
May someone who knows can make a list of all the methods to do this and which substances act in which way, that would help in making a better stack of products so not to go overboard in any one area, like blocking to much estrogen.

screw all that, how about a nice shot of denkall test-400. crap that would be safer that all that junk. that whole schpill would kill my ass. talk about over doing it!

 

[Aeternitatis]

i was asking what the hell IL-6 was? and the fact that you guys are some educated s.o.b's

I was wondering. You had me confused. lol

IL-6 basically is a pro-inflammatory cytokine. But it's functions are quite elaborate. If you're interested in getting the low-down, wikipedia has a decent page on IL-6.

 

[Aeternitatis]

Please explain the basis of this statement. And are you speaking of supplemented insulin?

I'm not speaking of supplemental insulin.

And I thought I just did explain my basis. I mean, I wasn't trying to get into an elaborate discussion on the functions of insulin. I was simply using it to show how sedentary and active people differ in the way they respond to things. Insulin seemed like a good example because most people are familiar with it and know why it can be good or bad. I thought the comparsion made sense juxtaposed to the differences in response to AA by sedentary and active people.

 

[Grunt76]

In fact, I am more worried about bodybuilders taking insulin than I am steroids.

I agree 1,000,000,000,000 %

A lot of guys are playing with insulin at a LBM level that does not even put them in a regional champion level. It is such a risky drug on more than one level that it makes no sense to have guys only playing bodybuilder taking insulin. Sadly, it is often the case, and we all know that there are some dumb meatheads out there.