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A not as harsh prohormone for younger people

cg123

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I am almost 18 and I know it is stupid to start young and yes I have heard proper diet and training which I do. But my question is. What age would be safer or if I start a cycle in the next couple months what would u reccomend?
 
cg123 said:
I am almost 18 and I know it is stupid to start young and yes I have heard proper diet and training which I do. But my question is. What age would be safer or if I start a cycle in the next couple months what would u reccomend?
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You know the sad thing is testosterone would be perfectly safe to use, even though many will argue you're too young for a cycle. However testosterone is now a controlled substance.

Look into DHEA.
 
start when you are 21. No one is allowed to help you it's a part of the rules. and taking dhea will lead to high estrogen and not that much test. What are your stats right now?
 
I'm about 6'1 190. I have gained about 50 pounds in the last year and a half. Low bf percent I'm pretty sure
 
R1187 said:
You know the sad thing is testosterone would be perfectly safe to use, even though many will argue you're too young for a cycle. However testosterone is now a controlled substance.

Look into DHEA.
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You are right test is generally "safe" for use no liver toxicity and other issues associated with orals. However for someone who is still having their endocrine system develop it is prob not a good idea. Hell I prob should have waited past longer after turning 21 to start but there is a lot less risk at 21 then 18. I know at 18 my body was still going through some changes I didn't stop growing till 19.
 
cg123 said:
I'm about 6'1 190. I have gained about 50 pounds in the last year and a half. Low bf percent I'm pretty sure
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If you gained 50 lbs in 1.5 years why do you want to jump on a PH now? You are prob still making nice gains as we speak. When you take a PH and work hard yes you make gains but during pct and after it can be a struggle to maintain and then training naturally seems boring in comparison. You are prob going to use a ph regardless I just hope you wait until you stall naturally but you'll do what you want to do in the end.
 
"prohormone" and "for younger people" are incompatible topics and should be discussed mutually exclusively (yeah I made up a new word combination) :D
 
Ha. Alright. Is there something out there I don't know of that I could take that would be safer to bulk up
 
pretty much just food/protein. of course protein could encompass aminos, BCAA, powders etc etc...but as far as test boosters and PH's? which is what you'd be interested in? none of them would work for you and those that did work would do more harm than good in the long run.
 
Alright. Another question I had is that I take lit up on workout days an it has 3 grams of daa. Will that be bad for me if I take it 3 times a week
 
Why not just stay natural?. I really don't understand the mentality that people think of it as a question of when to start using steroids and not a question of using them or not using them. Also there is little difference between the ages of 18-21. I'd say wait until you are 30 to decide if you want to go down that road. At least wait until after the decision making part of the brain is fully developed(age 25) to make that decision.
 
cg123 said:
Alright. Another question I had is that I take lit up on workout days an it has 3 grams of daa. Will that be bad for me if I take it 3 times a week
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thats what I mean, things like DAA raise your natural test.....but at 18? yours should be jacked through the roof.....so it wouldn't really be effective....but I can't say for sure it will mess you up or not, like a PH would....may or may not.... then again, 3 times per week is not a daily dosage so I suppose a pre-WO supplement before WO's only would be fine....even if it has DAA in it....
 
T-Bone said:
Why not just stay natural?. I really don't understand the mentality that people think of it as a question of when to start using steroids and not a question of using them or not using them. Also there is little difference between the ages of 18-21. I'd say wait until you are 30 to decide if you want to go down that road. At least wait until after the decision making part of the brain is fully developed(age 25) to make that decision.
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I waited till late 20's to use PH's, but we are talking about androstendione and low doses of 1AD etc.....nothing that spectacular....then I waited till after 30 to try any actual AAS or GH and that type of stuff. I will say that for myself, I purposely waited on the AAS....since I was smart enough to know when and why to use them best as far as age goes.....now if we had PH's when I was 18? I'd probably have taken them knowing me, figuring it was "legal" or "natural" supposedly...and fuqed myself up. But I never had that choice, so I will never know.
 
T-Bone said:
Why not just stay natural?. I really don't understand the mentality that people think of it as a question of when to start using steroids and not a question of using them or not using them. Also there is little difference between the ages of 18-21. I'd say wait until you are 30 to decide if you want to go down that road. At least wait until after the decision making part of the brain is fully developed(age 25) to make that decision.
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There would be no sport of bodybuilding if this was the case, and arnold would be a no name in austria
 
he is referring to arnold using roids at a young age. do what you want OP but you see everyones advice here
 
bigdavid said:
he is referring to arnold using roids at a young age. do what you want OP but you see everyones advice here
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I'm not sure he did use at such a young age. I certainly don't think he used as much pro bodybuilders do today in the "sport". He dabbled a bit sure but he was dedicated and hard working. Steroids didn't get him to the top.
 
I don't care if arnold was so huge and won the olympia and whatever like that.....so long as he played the terminator in the 3 movies and played his character in predator.....now THAT would be a shame if we were deprived of that......
 
T-Bone said:
I don't think that is true. There is Natural Bodybuilding. Then again I'm not sure what you are saying. If what was the case?
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First Arnold would not be where he is at if he wouldnt have used roids til he was 30 (that would also mean no pumping iron, and look at what that did to bodybuilding). but let me go on the record i think this guy shoukd wait till hes older to take anything.screwing with your hormones
 
Definitely wait OP, look into something like division 1 + Erase Pro to maximize your natural free testosterone at your age.
 
T-Bone said:
I'm not sure he did use at such a young age. I certainly don't think he used as much pro bodybuilders do today in the "sport". He dabbled a bit sure but he was dedicated and hard working. Steroids didn't get him to the top.
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Arnold started juicing around 16-17. There are many credible sources where this can be confirmed I dont feel like posting you can use google. I think it even says so in his bibliography. I agree he used much less compared to todays BBers and today we also have a lot more available besides roids and hardcore lifting like they did in the old days. There is now hgh/peptides, insulin, and "better" steroids then were available in his time. I am not saying he did not put in a lot of hard work because I agree that he did. But the reality is he used roids at a young age.
 
bigdavid said:
50 lbs in 1.5 yrs sounds like good progress lol
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Ya thanks man. Mostly muscle too. I just want a little something more that's why. I want to maximize growth. Doesn't everyone?
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I don't care if arnold was so huge and won the olympia and whatever like that.....so long as he played the terminator in the 3 movies and played his character in predator.....now THAT would be a shame if we were deprived of that......

commando? conan the barbarian? conan the destroyer? red sonja? and who could forget kindergarten cop!
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IT'S NOT A TUMAH!!!!
 
cg123 said:
Ya thanks man. Mostly muscle too. I just want a little something more that's why. I want to maximize growth. Doesn't everyone?
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It sounds like you are already maximizing growth i mean do the basics have a good diet, get sleep, take protein powders to supplement diet if you have to and add in some creatine. if you can grow with the basics keep on growing and when you stop growing that way and stall for a few months then look for more supplements
 
hvactech said:
WARBIRDWS6 said:
I don't care if arnold was so huge and won the olympia and whatever like that.....so long as he played the terminator in the 3 movies and played his character in predator.....now THAT would be a shame if we were deprived of that......

commando? conan the barbarian? conan the destroyer? red sonja? and who could forget kindergarten cop!
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I could do w/o any of his comedy's and commando for that matter....but yeah, HUGE conan fan here lol...I use to read the shyt ouf of conan comics when I was a teenager especially .....Jason Momoa is cool, but TOTALLY NOT conan :D
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WARBIRDWS6 said:
I could do w/o any of his comedy's and commando for that matter....but yeah, HUGE conan fan hereInvalid Link Removed lol...I use to read the shyt ouf of conan comics when I was a teenager especially .....Jason Momoa is cool, but TOTALLY NOT conan :D
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I don't think conan is that funny anymore. He used to be before he moved to TBS though.
 
T-Bone said:
I don't think conan is that funny anymore. He used to be before he moved to TBS though.
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that little dweeb should be fined and put in prison for soiling the good name of conan the barbarian. talk about total antithesis of conan the barbarian, that guy is it :D
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
that little dweeb should be fined and put in prison for soiling the good name of conan the barbarian. talk about total antithesis of conan the barbarian, that guy is it :D
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Let's help this young man make the proper choices in life, can't bash him. He needs out advice on the right way to do things. At that young age they never listen only thing is they will learn the hard way:

"hard head makes 4 a soft ass"
 
his autobiography said he used them at 15 dont comment unless ur facts are straight
T-Bone said:
I'm not sure he did use at such a young age. I certainly don't think he used as much pro bodybuilders do today in the "sport". He dabbled a bit sure but he was dedicated and hard working. Steroids didn't get him to the top.
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ur really saying that his steroid use didnt get him to the top, u are the dumbest person i haave EVER met. Ya it was GODS GIVEN GENETICS not the steroids he used for 13 plus years, ya it was hard work but he would have never been noticed by joe weider and sent to america if he hadnt done gear at 15 or 16. Damn man ignorant. Do u think jay cutler got to the top with cell tech too?
Husker89 said:
his autobiography said he used them at 15 dont comment unless ur facts are straight
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Husker89 said:
ur really saying that his steroid use didnt get him to the top, u are the dumbest person i haave EVER met. Ya it was GODS GIVEN GENETICS not the steroids he used for 13 plus years, ya it was hard work but he would have never been noticed by joe weider and sent to america if he hadnt done gear at 15 or 16. Damn man ignorant. Do u think jay cutler got to the top with cell tech too?
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that man is gonna neg rep you and you are gonna be minus like 100 rep points.
 
Thanks for the Negs Husker89!. Don't understand what has you so worked up though. Calling me the dumbest person you ever met?. Really?. I'm ignorant because I think Arnold work hard to get where he is/was in bodybuilding?.
 
it really is simple... Arnold had great genetics (bone strucure), worked his ASS off, and used AAS to maximize his hard work...
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Ya man i agree. All this talk of "god given genetics"....hes been taking roids since his early teens! who can know his genetic potential?? He took more roids than any of his contemporaries. I made this statement earlier and no one can deny it, No one would have any idea who Arnold is...he would be a nobody if he would never have taken steroids. Because exactly what you said, No joe weider no pumping iron, no mr olympia.
 
TomGreen said:
Ya man i agree. All this talk of "god given genetics"....hes been taking roids since his early teens! who can know his genetic potential?? He took more roids than any of his contemporaries. I made this statement earlier and no one can deny it, No one would have any idea who Arnold is...he would be a nobody if he would never have taken steroids. Because exactly what you said, No joe weider no pumping iron, no mr olympia.
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I read some where & thought he said he took it a while after he was lifting to maintain?
 
i over reacted man i apologize i just think that he WOULDNT have gotten where he was without steroids bottom line.
T-Bone said:
Thanks for the Negs Husker89!. Don't understand what has you so worked up though. Calling me the dumbest person you ever met?. Really?. I'm ignorant because I think Arnold work hard to get where he is/was in bodybuilding?.
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Thank you for backing me up there is no denying this i mean come on now guys.
TomGreen said:
Ya man i agree. All this talk of "god given genetics"....hes been taking roids since his early teens! who can know his genetic potential?? He took more roids than any of his contemporaries. I made this statement earlier and no one can deny it, No one would have any idea who Arnold is...he would be a nobody if he would never have taken steroids. Because exactly what you said, No joe weider no pumping iron, no mr olympia.
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