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Can you use arimidex for raisin nuts and achy feeling in the ball sac - testicular atrophy

Was thinking hcg maybe or clomid too.
 

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it’s hcg you need bro.

an ai isn’t going to do anything for the raisin nuts.....that will just lower estrogen......
Doesnt clomid though help with testes? Like a poor man hcg while on cycle. Im currently pinning 400 mg test cyp with 200 tren a eod. Just started tren yesterday to finish last 8 weeks of my cut.
 

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Doesnt clomid though help with testes? Like a poor man hcg while on cycle. Im currently pinning 400 mg test cyp with 200 tren a eod. Just started tren yesterday to finish last 8 weeks of my cut.
they have different MOA’s (there are people smarter than me on AM about this stuff by the way, I’m no doctor)...,

if I understand it correctly clomid acts on the pituitary glands to increase production of LH/FSH which is suppressed by exogenous test whereas hcg actually mimics LH/FSH and acts directly on the testes,

I could be wrong but my thought was always that taking clomid would be ineffective because the production of LH/FSH is still be suppressed while on cycle (hence why we use it in pct) whereas hcg bypasses that.

its the ‘still being on cycle’ bit that makes hcg the way to go (based on my limited and potentially incorrect knowledge).

when our friends the other side of the pond wake up a number of them will clarify I’m sure
 

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they have different MOA’s (there are people smarter than me on AM about this stuff by the way, I’m no doctor)...,

if I understand it correctly clomid acts on the pituitary glands to increase production of LH/FSH which is suppressed by exogenous test whereas hcg actually mimics LH/FSH and acts directly on the testes,

I could be wrong but my thought was always that taking clomid would be ineffective because the production of LH/FSH is still be suppressed while on cycle (hence why we use it in pct) whereas hcg bypasses that.

its the ‘still being on cycle’ bit that makes hcg the way to go (based on my limited and potentially incorrect knowledge).

when our friends the other side of the pond wake up a number of them will clarify I’m sure
Not trying to increase aromatization with hcg which means i might need an a.i.

I heard of people using clomid for kickstarting the testes. Ive used clomid on a cycle once couple times a week and never felt any negative side effects.

I went and took a shower tonight looked in the mirror and it looked like a turkey neck! They are a little achy too.

Was thinking hcg 500 iu twice week for remainder of cycle but would like to use clomid instead if possible if any use. Also note im on trt never coming off

Also what about proviron?
 
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Use a lower dose of hCG more often. 100-200iu daily will bring them out of their suppressed state. Until they are "woken up" the Clomid won't have a big response and it doesn't work on cycle. I've tried it and had blood work confirming the Clomid made no difference.

I'm trying Proviron now and not getting the result I expected based on research. Still trying to find hCG.

 
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So i shouldnt maybe bLAST 1000 iu x2 for first week and 250 x2 for remainder 7 weeks then blast 1000 iu x2 first week of cruise right after or 2 weeks after cycle?
 
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I wouldn't blast hCG. There is a refractory peroid and 1000iu shuts down your response for 96 hours.
 

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I wouldn't blast hCG. There is a refractory peroid and 1000iu shuts down your response for 96 hours.
I haven't heard of anyone doing 100 iu a day till your balls drop. They all recommend 500 iu a week while on cycle. What is blasting considered? 1000 iu a week?
 
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Based on the study I posted 300iu is probably the limit for a daily injection. For hCG, Clomid, and AI less is usually more with results. Too much hCG will toast your testes.

250iu twice weekly is likely ok but I've seen blood work reflecting 150iu having 24 hrs of active life. Adding more while the last dose is still active only compounds the shutdown issues with hCG.

hCG active life is hours compared to minutes for LH. LH is pulsate for a reason and hCG doesn't work that way.
 

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Based on the study I posted 300iu is probably the limit for a daily injection. For hCG, Clomid, and AI less is usually more with results. Too much hCG will toast your testes.

250iu twice weekly is likely ok but I've seen blood work reflecting 150iu having 24 hrs of active life. Adding more while the last dose is still active only compounds the shutdown issues with hCG.

hCG active life is hours compared to minutes for LH. LH is pulsate for a reason and hCG doesn't work that way.
So shoot like 100 iu daily for 5 days straight? Ill have to read the study you posted after i post this.
 
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I'd do it everyday until you finish your cycle.
 

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Hcg on its way guess well find out.

Can i use my 1.5 23g to draw the bac water and mix into the 5000iu so i guess 5ml. Don't want to order a 18 gauge to mix with the shipping cost more than the needles themselves!
 

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Hcg on its way guess well find out.

Can i use my 1.5 23g to draw the bac water and mix into the 5000iu so i guess 5ml. Don't want to order a 18 gauge to mix with the shipping cost more than the needles themselves!
yeah that’s fine bro.

I never use an 18g for drawing as I feel like it destroys the vial top, bac water will literally draw into any size. Main thing is the pin is big enough so you can slowly drip the water into the vial on the sides and 23g is easy big enough for that
 

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yeah that’s fine bro.

I never use an 18g for drawing as I feel like it destroys the vial top, bac water will literally draw into any size. Main thing is the pin is big enough so you can slowly drip the water into the vial on the sides and 23g is easy big enough for that
If i drip the water directly ontop of the hcg will it be destroyed? I'll try my best to drip against side of glass without scraping the needle against it. Im really terrible at drawing. Ive been doing seperate shots for the tren and test because im afraid ill shoot one of the compounds into the other vial. I do sort of a plunger technique pushup and down till my syringe is filled and tap the bubbles out.
 
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If i drip the water directly ontop of the hcg will it be destroyed? I'll try my best to drip against side of glass without scraping the needle against it. Im really terrible at drawing. Ive been doing seperate shots for the tren and test because im afraid ill shoot one of the compounds into the other vial. I do sort of a plunger technique pushup and down till my syringe is filled and tap the bubbles out.
tbf I’ve always assumed that the same is true of hcg as it is with peptides hence not shooting the water directly onto it. I’ve never actually read that specifically about hcg but it’s my standard practice when I reconstitute any powder.

drawing is pretty easy bro. Draw air into the syringe at roughly the volume you want to draw, insert the drawing pin, Push the air into the vial, turn the vial upside down and make sure the pin is below the oil/water level, slowly draw back until you hit the measurement you want, withdraw pin.....
 

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tbf I’ve always assumed that the same is true of hcg as it is with peptides hence not shooting the water directly onto it. I’ve never actually read that specifically about hcg but it’s my standard practice when I reconstitute any powder.

drawing is pretty easy bro. Draw air into the syringe at roughly the volume you want to draw, insert the drawing pin, Push the air into the vial, turn the vial upside down and make sure the pin is below the oil/water level, slowly draw back until you hit the measurement you want, withdraw pin.....
My friend showed me a technique today where he doesn't push air into the vial but kind of lightly bends the needle slightly against the rubber insert to let air through. Might try replicate it but hes a vet tech and has more experience.

For your way though do you lets say for instance im going to draw .25 cc of tren and .5 cc test. So i guess pull back the plunger to .75 roughly maybe little over and then shoot .25 of air into tren pull out and shoot .5 into test then pull out and insert back into vial 1 which would be tren draw then move on back to vial 2 test?
 

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My friend showed me a technique today where he doesn't push air into the vial but kind of lightly bends the needle slightly against the rubber insert to let air through. Might try replicate it but hes a vet tech and has more experience.

For your way though do you lets say for instance im going to draw .25 cc of tren and .5 cc test. So i guess pull back the plunger to .75 roughly maybe little over and then shoot .25 of air into tren pull out and shoot .5 into test then pull out and insert back into vial 1 which would be tren draw then move on back to vial 2 test?
Basically yeah, draw your most important oil first (which would be tren in this case as you outlined). That’s the one you can obviously make exact
 

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Use a lower dose of hCG more often. 100-200iu daily will bring them out of their suppressed state. Until they are "woken up" the Clomid won't have a big response and it doesn't work on cycle. I've tried it and had blood work confirming the Clomid made no difference.

I'm trying Proviron now and not getting the result I expected based on research. Still trying to find hCG.

Good to know. I thought I read on here a few months ago there was a HRT doc advising to use a large "pulse" of HCG once or twice a month at best and not to use a low dose regularly? Its been a while but I thought I read that on here ... sounded like a new protocl that was supposed to help minimize HCG desentiziation
 
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Good to know. I thought I read on here a few months ago there was a HRT doc advising to use a large "pulse" of HCG once or twice a month at best and not to use a low dose regularly? Its been a while but I thought I read that on here ... sounded like a new protocl that was supposed to help minimize HCG desentiziation
Other research shows bigger doses cause a refractory period that prevents anymore response. A lot of the issue is the localized E2 produced in the testes but SERMs and AIs have no effect on it.
 

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Other research shows bigger doses cause a refractory period that prevents anymore response. A lot of the issue is the localized E2 produced in the testes but SERMs and AIs have no effect on it.
so in your experience what is the best protocol for shrinkage
 

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Still waiting for the hcg and aromisin to come in.

In the meantime i bought a mini fridge abd a guy on ebay is making me a custom stash can out of diet coke. Ive spent a pretty penny to make this happen. Due to where I live I cant have stuff laying out and no its not with my parents (i wish lol rent is expensive here).

So im going to up tren to roughly 325-350 and test around 500-525 from 200 tren a 400 test Im pinning every day. Torn between trying 100 iu daily or dr tony huge protocol of at least 500 iu in 3 sessions split over a week and half then 500 iu in 250 x2 doses week. Also aromisin 12.5 mg x2 week ?
 
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If 500iu active for 3+ days why do that schedule you outlined? Even after the hCG is gone the testes are still responding. hCG has a much stronger activation than LH, way longer half life, and the testes aren't meant to be "primed" 24/7. Metabolisms differ but there is a curve of response.
 

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If 500iu active for 3+ days why do that schedule you outlined? Even after the hCG is gone the testes are still responding. hCG has a much stronger activation than LH, way longer half life, and the testes aren't meant to be "primed" 24/7. Metabolisms differ but there is a curve of response.
I just took my first shot of hcg! Not sure how much since the vial only held 3ml for 5000iu. So i put it at line 2 on a regular syringe i use IM for. What do you think that roughly comes out too?

Also not sure if i damaged the **** i tried my best to drip on side slowly but that seemed like it would of taken days! So i went a little faster and swirled it. I dont think you can damage it by dripping too fast or shaking it. Otherwise the stuff would go bad for everyone with the slightest of hand? What do you think?
 
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I'm assuming you took 2mL out of 3mL? 5000/3 x2 is 3,333iu. That's a lot. hCG is pretty tough for a peptide hormone but don't shake the vial. Always gently swirl. I wouldn't take more for at least seven days. You can't speed up the response or results.
 

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I'm assuming you took 2mL out of 3mL? 5000/3 x2 is 3,333iu. That's a lot. hCG is pretty tough for a peptide hormone but don't shake the vial. Always gently swirl. I wouldn't take more for at least seven days. You can't speed up the response or results.
Sorry i filled 3ml up. Thats all the vial can take and draw to line 2 on the syringe. I guess that ends up being roughly 400 iu? Im a bad guesstimator.

I might of shaken it at the end dont remember but im sure it will be fine.
 
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Two ticks of the syringe? That's 333iu based on the way you diluted it. Use an insulin syringe next time. hCG works very well sub-q.
 

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Two ticks of the syringe? That's 333iu based on the way you diluted it. Use an insulin syringe next time. hCG works very well sub-q.
Don't have any insulin syringes. The dude from the steroid podcast says he just uses the same syringe he draws test from and mixes together. I figure i can just hit all 3 of my compounds at once and i pin ed. So if i did roughly 333. Should i wait 2 days then go 1 line ed so roughly 165 iu daily? Thanks brother!
 
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