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A hypothetical Nog-AA match - who wins?

jas123

jas123

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Nog's got good technical standup, but his vision issues on his right side seem to lead to him getting caught more lately. I think of the LHK by Herring and the left hook by Tim, two somewhat slow fighters IMO. AA's pretty explosive with his striking and has shown decent TD defense so it seems like there is a good chance of Nog taking a big left to the chin with AA pounding him out on the ground. Of course, it's Nog so who knows what would happen, and AA has been lacking that killer instinct lately. With Nog's lack of KO power, he may be emboldened. I might give AA the edge in this one.

Anyone know what's up with AA in the UFC?
 
Not sure what Arlovski's deal is with the UFC. He's rumored to fight Rothwell at the "Last Emperor Returns" event, so who knows. Everything points to AA beating Nog, so I take Nog by armbar in a triangle. Decent chance that AA boringly decisions him though, in which case AA should be booted out of MMA.
 
Alexander said:
Everything points to AA beating Nog, so I take Nog by armbar in a triangle. Decent chance that AA boringly decisions him though, in which case AA should be booted out of MMA.
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Ain't that the truth, coolest online mofo. :lol:

I've heard the Rothwell rumor too. That could be interesting I guess :think:, Rothwell beat Ricco (not sure what that means anymore). Dana said somewhere that he really wanted to keep AA, and now his roster at HW is looking pretty weak so maybe he'll make it happen.
 
Nog takes it easily. I think Nog will push the stand-up and if he catches AA then it'll probably be lights out. AA lacks any killer instinct and I don't see him getting a sub.
 
Wanderlei said:
Nog takes it easily. I think Nog will push the stand-up and if he catches AA then it'll probably be lights out. AA lacks any killer instinct and I don't see him getting a sub.
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Nog doesn't win any fights easily. See AA/Werdum and Werdum/Nog and tell me that Nog will beat AA easily. AA's chin is pretty suspect, but so is Nog's power, so I don't know about the KO.

Jas, have you seen me gayly signing my name at the end of my posts like some of the pathetic losers on this board.
 
Alexander said:
Nog doesn't win any fights easily. See AA/Werdum and Werdum/Nog and tell me that Nog will beat AA easily. AA's chin is pretty suspect, but so is Nog's power, so I don't know about the KO.

Jas, have you seen me gayly signing my name at the end of my posts like some of the pathetic losers on this board.
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I did notice that which is a nice touch. :cheers: Pathetic losers....ouch, angry guy.

AA's chin isn't great, but it's probably not as bad as people say. Unfortunately, AA's got it in his head that it sucks so he won't go after anyone. He's still got some nasty power and should be able to stuff Nog's so-so TDs. So can Nog outstrike AA?
 
jas123 said:
I did notice that which is a nice touch. :cheers: Pathetic losers....ouch, angry guy.

AA's chin isn't great, but it's probably not as bad as people say. Unfortunately, AA's got it in his head that it sucks so he won't go after anyone. He's still got some nasty power and should be able to stuff Nog's so-so TDs. So can Nog outstrike AA?
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I thought I was being generous with pathetic losers. People that sign their name after every post are guaranteed to have a horrible personality and they always prove me right.

Yeah, you asked the right question. It's a close call. I could see AA being the first guy to KO Nog, but I doubt it. I think Nog would outpoint him and possibly get a takedown late.
 
Ok, perhaps Nog won't easily win but I see him winning the vast majority of the time. AA chin is suspect and his stand-up seems far removed from what it once was. Nog's stand-up isn't very impressive either as it's basically just boxing. but I think he can grind AA down and probably sub him.

I'd rather see AA fight Vera though as skill sets and styles are pretty similar.
 
I'd go with Nog myself. His last fight with Sylvia was really impressive. He was getting beat by Tim's strategies and instead of just letting the fight happen and work with a lucky window if it so happens to appear (Nate Diaz style, I'm a fan, not hating, I'm just saying), he really worked the situation to make the necessary window happen. That really, really impressed me about Nog's victory against the toughest set of side burns in MMA.
 
I think I have to go with AA. Great Takedown defense and I'll take his MMA striking over Nog's. If it does hit the ground, he's screwed though.

Nog is slowing down to much. He has fading eye sight, and Fedor has eluded that he has been slowing down due to painkillers (and by eluded, I mean flat out said). He's still tough as nails, but Just not the same.
 
I pick AA if he sticks with a gameplan of keeping the fight standing.
He shouldn't be afraid of going to the ground with jits guys, it seems like he cares more about having a winning record than putting on a good fight. That might have been his downfall and why he's finished at the ufc.
 
AA would come out and catch Nog with some good shots. Nog would keep pressing the fight, and AA would become disheartened and lose his will to win. Nog would then get the takedown and submit AA shortly after.
 
robdog said:
AA would come out and catch Nog with some good shots. Nog would keep pressing the fight, and AA would become disheartened and lose his will to win. Nog would then get the takedown and submit AA shortly after.
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Great, now what's the point of them even fighting?
 
jas123 said:
What are you at know, killer?
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You mean "now", meaning weight? Killer? Must be my incredible jokes. I've been bombing around here left and right on purpose thinking people will sweat me, but my jokes are still not quite bad enough for the AM crowd. I'm weighing 230, but I'm fat.
 
Alexander said:
You mean "now", meaning weight? Killer? Must be my incredible jokes. I've been bombing around here left and right on purpose thinking people will sweat me, but my jokes are still not quite bad enough for the AM crowd. I'm weighing 230, but I'm fat.
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Yep, I meant now. It's hilarious that their/there-mix-up-boy is correcting me though (yes, you choose the wrong one every time) :nutkick: No, need to be embarrassed because I have the state record for grammar :lol:

So you decide to go the "keep the mass" route :donut: instead of stay thin but lose weight? How's your upper body training going?
 
jas123 said:
Yep, I meant now. It's hilarious that their/there-mix-up-boy is correcting me though (yes, you choose the wrong one every time) :nutkick: No, need to be embarrassed because I have the state record for grammar :lol:

So you decide to go the "keep the mass" route :donut: instead of stay thin but lose weight? How's your upper body training going?
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Honestly, I've been money on my their/there's, for about six months now. You shouldn't have gone their:rofl:, hiroshima master in action. I know it's wrong, it's part of the hiroshima'ing. I do enjoy how 2 words are often missing out of a 7 word post.

Yeah, I stopped drinking and my hunger came back. Plus the anorexic look was depressing me. I don't know how Mullet gets out of bed to be honest with you. I've lost some strength on upper but not much. I can do 315 x 5 or so on incline, so I've lost 40-50 pounds of pressing power, but I also have no leg drive/stabilization, but I don't really use any regardless, maybe a "smidge." I've been walking a little, but I can't get the brusing to go down, it's frustrating as hell. Lots of elevation, hot water treatment and light walking seems to be helping a lot.
 
Is that on regular incline or phantom incline? That sucks about your leg not healing. Are you still off of work?

I like how you always call big benchers on their squat and DL numbers like in that other thread. Of course, pressing (especially overhead) is the most important measure of strength/fighting ability :head:
 
jas123 said:
Is that on regular incline or phantom incline? That sucks about your leg not healing. Are you still off of work?

I like how you always call big benchers on their squat and DL numbers like in that other thread. Of course, pressing (especially overhead) is the most important measure of strength/fighting ability :head:
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That's on hammer strength incline, so 3 plates on each side=315, right? Haha. Yeah, I'm still off of work, but I think I'm going back regardless of my ankle in a few weeks.

I always have to ask, my guess is that guy is probably pretty decent at all lifts. I think you were right about A**no*ne. I'm thinking he's full of sh*t. I don't think Cub could bench more than maybe 335 with a regular flat backed bench. I think he said he does 375 or so, but that's with a ginormous arch.
 
I agree with the overhead pressing thing, maybe even incline is best, but flat is not nearly as functional.
 
Alexander said:
I think you were right about A**no*ne. I'm thinking he's full of sh*t.
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Damn, I think I should be able to interpret this, but I'm lost.

Cub's built fairly strongly, but 522 or whatever isn't all that great at 242 from what I've seen. It might be more of a shirt limitations since the dude has had the same one for years. Then again he's 22 so actually that's pretty good. I've used big arches before, then once I forgot to because I'd been doing mainly incline and it made little difference for me :think: I also bench with my elbows wide, BBer style. Bench = :yawn: for me lately.
 
jas123 said:
Damn, I think I should be able to interpret this, but I'm lost.

Cub's built fairly strongly, but 522 or whatever isn't all that great at 242 from what I've seen. It might be more of a shirt limitations since the dude has had the same one for years. Then again he's 22 so actually that's pretty good. I've used big arches before, then once I forgot to because I'd been doing mainly incline and it made little difference for me :think: I also bench with my elbows wide, BBer style. Bench = :yawn: for me lately.
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Yeah, you're lost because I'm an idiot. Adr***lin.

I'm built like a brick sh*thouse. The arch helps tremendously but you have to get used to it. I benched like that when I first got into Westside, until my friend convinced me it was idiotic. Bench is boring. When I'm fully healed I think I'm going to start training strongman style. Are metal logs inferior?
 
I go with Nog here by a late sub a la the Big Timmy fight. I like AA though
 
I was following the discussion on Cub's benching until Reaper interrupted with his random post. Post in the right forum bud :stick:

I've never used a bench suit before, but I'm no power lifter so that would make sense. I assume they were originally made to protect the joints?? But those bench suits look like they really force a lot of concentric flexion. How much do they add to your bench?
 
VolcomX311 said:
I was following the discussion on Cub's benching until Reaper interrupted with his random post. Post in the right forum bud :stick:

I've never used a bench suit before, but I'm no power lifter so that would make sense. I assume they were originally made to protect the joints?? But those bench suits look like they really force a lot of concentric flexion. How much do they add to your bench?
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Varies from person to person and the type of suit. I would say anywhere from 30 to 100+ lbs.
 
Oh no, Volcom, they can add easily 250 pounds, sometimes much more. Cub benched 522 and he said he can raw bench around 375, that's nearly 150 pounds, imagine what the big cats are getting out of their bench shirts.

edit: he stated in the thread that he gets around 80kg=176 pounds out of the shirt. Cub seems like a good guy.
 
Alexander said:
Yeah, you're lost because I'm an idiot. Adr***lin.

I'm built like a brick sh*thouse. The arch helps tremendously but you have to get used to it. I benched like that when I first got into Westside, until my friend convinced me it was idiotic. Bench is boring. When I'm fully healed I think I'm going to start training strongman style. Are metal logs inferior?
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I think metal logs are better because they don't break like wooden ones can. Inevitably you'll drop it near lockout some and the wooden ones can crack. Somtimes the metal ones are easier to clean, though, but I've seen mainly metal ones used in contests. PM me if can't find a cheap one. I know two guys that make them and can get you a 12'' one for 240-300.

Yeah Volcom, the shirts were originally to protect the shoulders and added like 30 max to your lift (mid/late 90s shirts). Now 300 is not unheard of. I know a guy that's done 725 shirted and maybe is around 450 raw. I heard but am not sure that Gene Rychlak only does like 500 raw and has hit 1008 in an 18-ply or whatever ridiculous shirt he uses.

BTW Alex, your boy JD has a submasters 242 record with a 450 raw competition bench. Eat it.
 
jas123 said:
I think metal logs are better because they don't break like wooden ones can. Inevitably you'll drop it near lockout some and the wooden ones can crack. Somtimes the metal ones are easier to clean, though, but I've seen mainly metal ones used in contests. PM me if can't find a cheap one. I know two guys that make them and can get you a 12'' one for 240-300.

Yeah Volcom, the shirts were originally to protect the shoulders and added like 30 max to your lift (mid/late 90s shirts). Now 300 is not unheard of. I know a guy that's done 725 shirted and maybe is around 450 raw. I heard but am not sure that Gene Rychlak only does like 500 raw and has hit 1008 in an 18-ply or whatever ridiculous shirt he uses.

BTW Alex, your boy JD has a submasters 242 record with a 450 raw competition bench. Eat it.
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JD is a strong dude. In the vid he didn't look very big, but no one does in vids like that, cept that scary guy that made Buki look like a 9 year old.

I would definitely like to get a 12" log. I wonder how ridiculous shipping would be on that thing? Ask those guys approx how much the total cost would be, if you don't mind.

Doubling your bench from 500 to 1000 is just insane. They should allow me to have a forklift to help me lift the weight. Damn, Volcom was shocked by 100lbs, now his head will be spinning. You know my take on gear, it's just way out of control.
 
From a power lifters point of view. If a suit can potentially DOUBLE your lift, do you even consider suit assited maxes legit? I suppose if everybody is using it in a competition then it does level out the playing field in a sense and I am for it's safety uses. I suppose it's more of a matter of philosophy. I seem to have an innate biased toward RAW lifts. I know I don't tell people what I can bench on the Smith when asked what I bench, because my Smith is about 50lbs stronger then a free bench, because the Smith has an assist (no balance).

Even from a non-comptetitive, general weight lifters perspective, when I see people (mostly high school kids and seniors) bench 315lbs with that 1/2 ROM, slight bend at the elbows then extension. You really better not be walking around thinking you can bench 315lbs.

I'm not knocking the suit lifts, just curious about the perspectives from people like yourselves who are tied into the sport much more intimately.
 
VolcomX311 said:
From a power lifters point of view. If a suit can potentially DOUBLE your lift, do you even consider suit assited maxes legit? I suppose if everybody is using it in a competition then it does level out the playing field in a sense and I am for it's safety uses. I suppose it's more of a matter of philosophy. I seem to have an innate biased toward RAW lifts. I know I don't tell people what I can bench on the Smith when asked what I bench, because my Smith is about 50lbs stronger then a free bench, because the Smith has an assist (no balance).

Even from a non-comptetitive, general weight lifters perspective, when I see people (mostly high school kids and seniors) bench 315lbs with that 1/2 ROM, slight bend at the elbows then extension. You really better not be walking around thinking you can bench 315lbs.

I'm not knocking the suit lifts, just curious about the perspectives from people like yourselves who are tied into the sport much more intimately.
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I like what you're saying. The suits/shirts were designed to protect lifters from injury. Now the suits are so extreme that the opposite is true. They're allowing lifters to lift extreme amounts which is more dangerous. It's just gotten out of control, IMO. They should only allow single ply "standard" lifting gear. Like you said, it is an even playing field, but why not have more emphasis on actually lifting the weight and less on how to use the gear and find the most advanced gear. Anyways I think limiting gear to single ply would be reasonable. You reap the benifits of safety and don't compromise focus on actually lifting. I'm guessing that with single ply most lifters would gain maybe 10-15% from their raw lifts. I don't compete in powerlifting and have limited experience with gear, just my opinion.

The majority of people bullsh*t one way or another about their lifts. And yes, those people doing the half presses with 315 definitely walk around thinking they can actually bench 315.
 
I don't think it's cheating. It's just a different lift than regular bench. I think the shirts are out of control though, and it's getting a little dangerous. The shirt companies are the ones that sponsor PLing events so they aren't going anywhere.
 
jas123 said:
I don't think it's cheating. It's just a different lift than regular bench. I think the shirts are out of control though, and it's getting a little dangerous. The shirt companies are the ones that sponsor PLing events so they aren't going anywhere.
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Yeah, I don't think it's cheating at all, it's an even playing field, but IMO not the best field. The squat suits are just as ridiculous. Plenty of guys that can barely squat 700 raw are squatting well over a G suited.

It's also a little bit bothersome to me that some pretty average dude is ahead of a guy like Kazmaier in the record books, strictly because of gear that allows him to increase his lift by 40%. Whatever, it's not like you have to look very deep to find out why.
 
Alexander said:
Yeah, I don't think it's cheating at all, it's an even playing field, but IMO not the best field. The squat suits are just as ridiculous. Plenty of guys that can barely squat 700 raw are squatting well over a G suited.

It's also a little bit bothersome to me that some pretty average dude is ahead of a guy like Kazmaier in the record books, strictly because of gear that allows him to increase his lift by 40%. Whatever, it's not like you have to look very deep to find out why.
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:lol: barely squat 700 as if that's not impressive. Yeah I hear you though. Kaz is still the top total raw lifter in the record books which is what's important. I like that my strength translates to the real world. If you're working on a car and the jack slides out and the car falls on you (ridiculous example), I'd like to think that you could bench it up rather than say "timeout, I need to get on my shirt". Regardless, supporting some of the weights that guys do on shirted/suited bench and squat is impressive.
 
jas123 said:
:lol: barely squat 700 as if that's not impressive. Yeah I hear you though. Kaz is still the top total raw lifter in the record books which is what's important. I like that my strength translates to the real world. If you're working on a car and the jack slides out and the car falls on you (ridiculous example), I'd like to think that you could bench it up rather than say "timeout, I need to get on my shirt". Regardless, supporting some of the weights that guys do on shirted/suited bench and squat is impressive.
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I've noticed that your personality seems to be heading downhhill rapidly. I recommend putting in some thought as to why that is occuring.
 
Alexander said:
I've noticed that your personality seems to be heading downhhill rapidly. I recommend putting in some thought as to why that is occuring.
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No, I'm on fire. The vicodin is clouding your brain. Pretty soon I'll give an :icon_lol: to Beo for mentioning the Michael Jordan of BJJ. I'm so fvcking money and so <---FVCKN DIESEL. :head:
 
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