silverSurfer
Well-known member
Awesome results, congratulations on both your cycle and your new belt !
5AA,1-Test,4AD Cyp +4OHT
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uridium245
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Update
Well, PCT is now done. I dreaded getting on the scales and dragging out the calipers after the holiday season. I kept saying to myself "I tried to be good...I really did" :nono:
Final starts are weight: 192 lbs, body fat: 9.7% Whoopee! I been using my speed routine through out PCT until this last week. I modified my speed training by performing one heavy set for 8 reps followed by a speed set to evaluate strength. I'm happy to say I have not lost any strength post cycle. Bench press and EZ curls actually went up 10 lbs.
All in all I'd have to say this cycle was a mixed bag of results. Good body recomp, decent strength increases with very few sides other than the little gyno flare up. I also learned some very important things: CEE, CM, nettle root, and vitex all get a thumbs up. Swales HCG protocol combined with the above gets a big thumbs up, way up. :thumbsup:
Well, PCT is now done. I dreaded getting on the scales and dragging out the calipers after the holiday season. I kept saying to myself "I tried to be good...I really did" :nono:
Final starts are weight: 192 lbs, body fat: 9.7% Whoopee! I been using my speed routine through out PCT until this last week. I modified my speed training by performing one heavy set for 8 reps followed by a speed set to evaluate strength. I'm happy to say I have not lost any strength post cycle. Bench press and EZ curls actually went up 10 lbs.
All in all I'd have to say this cycle was a mixed bag of results. Good body recomp, decent strength increases with very few sides other than the little gyno flare up. I also learned some very important things: CEE, CM, nettle root, and vitex all get a thumbs up. Swales HCG protocol combined with the above gets a big thumbs up, way up. :thumbsup:
Strateg0s
Registered User
Start cycle - 190 @15%BF = 161.5 LBM + 28.5 fat
End cycle -- 193 @11%BF = 172 LBM + 21 fat.
End PCT ---- 192 @9.7%BF = 173.4LBM + 18.6fat
Start to finish, about 100 days,
+12 LBM - 10 fat. +7.5% LBM, -5%BF.
Very impressive recomp!
If you have the spare time, maybe tally up how much this cycle cost you. I have a curiousity about such things, and it could help other people make a few decisions.
Lastly, if you have any way of discriminating, I would like to hear your evaluation of the role of each component in your cycle - which effects do you attribute to which substances, and if you knew what you knew now before this past cycle would you have done anything differently to save money or side effects or whatever?
End cycle -- 193 @11%BF = 172 LBM + 21 fat.
End PCT ---- 192 @9.7%BF = 173.4LBM + 18.6fat
Start to finish, about 100 days,
+12 LBM - 10 fat. +7.5% LBM, -5%BF.
Very impressive recomp!
If you have the spare time, maybe tally up how much this cycle cost you. I have a curiousity about such things, and it could help other people make a few decisions.
Lastly, if you have any way of discriminating, I would like to hear your evaluation of the role of each component in your cycle - which effects do you attribute to which substances, and if you knew what you knew now before this past cycle would you have done anything differently to save money or side effects or whatever?
uridium245
New member
The piper
Total cost for this cycle was $449.72. That includes ancilliarys, pins, etc... everything except the M1T which I had on hand already. Real gear would have been cheaper I know, but I wanted to know how effective PH's could really be for me before they dissappear. Plus I wanted to have a basis for comparison should I ever travel the darker road.
I would evaluate each of the compounds as follows:
4AD Cyp - I actually prefered better as a transdermal. The amount of ml's you have to inject is a pain the ass, but water retention is slower to develop in the cyp.
1-Test Cyp - I also prefer as a transdermal. It is all but impossible for me to get truly pain free injections with this stuff no matter what I mix it with. Some pain would always show up a day later. I believe the dose being close to 1 gram a week was what caused the majority of my joint pain. It is long gone and shows no signs of returning.
4OHT - Too expensive for the gains it produced, but when you factor in it anti-e qualities a very nice compound. I also noticed a marked increase in libido shortly after application.
5AA Cyp - Was good at boosting strength and aggression, but I like M5AA better as it can be taken just before working out. 5AA Cyps effects are with you ALL day.
M1,4ADD - Really liked this stuff for a bulking compound. Water retention was not a factor at 100 mg a day with 4OHT and the 5AA keeping me dry. After using this for a week or so I threw that last bottle of M1T away.
HCG - Its the **** for keeping suppression at bay. I'll never cycle without it again.
If I were to redo this cycle it would be as follows:
10 week cycle 1200 mg 4OHT Transdermal, 500 mg 5AA Cyp, 700 mg 1-Test Cyp and 2300 mg 4AD Cyp with HCG throughout and kickstarted with 150 mg M1,4ADD
P = Prohormones
H = 250iu HCG twice a week
N = Nolva dosed at 40/40/30/20
M = 150 mg M1,4ADD split in 3 doses.
Week
1 - P, M
2 - P, M, H
3 - P, M, H
4 - P, M, H
5 - P, H
6 - P, H
7 - P, H
8 - P, H
9 - P, H
10 - P, H
PCT
1 - N, H
2 - N
3 - N
4 - N
I would also definitely include CEE, CM, Nettle Root and Vitex at the begining of the cycle.
Total cost for this cycle was $449.72. That includes ancilliarys, pins, etc... everything except the M1T which I had on hand already. Real gear would have been cheaper I know, but I wanted to know how effective PH's could really be for me before they dissappear. Plus I wanted to have a basis for comparison should I ever travel the darker road.
I would evaluate each of the compounds as follows:
4AD Cyp - I actually prefered better as a transdermal. The amount of ml's you have to inject is a pain the ass, but water retention is slower to develop in the cyp.
1-Test Cyp - I also prefer as a transdermal. It is all but impossible for me to get truly pain free injections with this stuff no matter what I mix it with. Some pain would always show up a day later. I believe the dose being close to 1 gram a week was what caused the majority of my joint pain. It is long gone and shows no signs of returning.
4OHT - Too expensive for the gains it produced, but when you factor in it anti-e qualities a very nice compound. I also noticed a marked increase in libido shortly after application.
5AA Cyp - Was good at boosting strength and aggression, but I like M5AA better as it can be taken just before working out. 5AA Cyps effects are with you ALL day.
M1,4ADD - Really liked this stuff for a bulking compound. Water retention was not a factor at 100 mg a day with 4OHT and the 5AA keeping me dry. After using this for a week or so I threw that last bottle of M1T away.
HCG - Its the **** for keeping suppression at bay. I'll never cycle without it again.
If I were to redo this cycle it would be as follows:
10 week cycle 1200 mg 4OHT Transdermal, 500 mg 5AA Cyp, 700 mg 1-Test Cyp and 2300 mg 4AD Cyp with HCG throughout and kickstarted with 150 mg M1,4ADD
P = Prohormones
H = 250iu HCG twice a week
N = Nolva dosed at 40/40/30/20
M = 150 mg M1,4ADD split in 3 doses.
Week
1 - P, M
2 - P, M, H
3 - P, M, H
4 - P, M, H
5 - P, H
6 - P, H
7 - P, H
8 - P, H
9 - P, H
10 - P, H
PCT
1 - N, H
2 - N
3 - N
4 - N
I would also definitely include CEE, CM, Nettle Root and Vitex at the begining of the cycle.
uridium245
New member
Take two
But on second thought Strateg0s. If I were to redo this cycle in an alternate universe it also might look like this. :twisted:
10 weeks 600mg Test E or Test Cyp, 400mg EQ (Boldenone) jumpstarted with 30mg ED of DBOL.
A = Test/EQ
D = 30mg DBOL split in 3 doses.
H = 250iu HCG twice a week
N = Nolva dosed at 40/40/30/20
Week
1 - A, D
2 - A, D, H
3 - A, D, H
4 - A, D, H
5 - A, H
6 - A, H
7 - A, H
8 - A, H
9 - A, H
10 - A, H
PCT
1 - N, H
2 - N
3 - N
4 - N
Might also throw some Tren in there the last 4 - 6 weeks at 50 to 75mg ED. Total cost about $320.00 less the Tren. Speaking strictly theoretically of course.
But on second thought Strateg0s. If I were to redo this cycle in an alternate universe it also might look like this. :twisted:
10 weeks 600mg Test E or Test Cyp, 400mg EQ (Boldenone) jumpstarted with 30mg ED of DBOL.
A = Test/EQ
D = 30mg DBOL split in 3 doses.
H = 250iu HCG twice a week
N = Nolva dosed at 40/40/30/20
Week
1 - A, D
2 - A, D, H
3 - A, D, H
4 - A, D, H
5 - A, H
6 - A, H
7 - A, H
8 - A, H
9 - A, H
10 - A, H
PCT
1 - N, H
2 - N
3 - N
4 - N
Might also throw some Tren in there the last 4 - 6 weeks at 50 to 75mg ED. Total cost about $320.00 less the Tren. Speaking strictly theoretically of course.