5 weeks ED after cycle. Anybody have a LabsMD coupon code?

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Yeah, that's pretty much it. I have ED for 5 weeks after cycle. 2 weeks waiting for enanthates to clear out + 3 weeks on clomid/nolva. Need blood tests now, and I think LabsMD has the best prices (correct me if I'm wrong).

So I could use a coupon code. Got one?

BTW, test measures:

E2 ultrasensitive
test, free and total
LH
FSH

and other stuff that won't matter as much.
 
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Just so you know, it takes about 5 half life's to clear out. 2 weeks you still have a ton of testosterone in your system, it's at about the 4-5 week mark that test is cleared out so you may have just finally bottomed out testosterone levels and the clomid nolva combo either isint working for you or it just needs more time.
 

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I did bloodwork at my primary care doctor about 10 days ago. Test was 128. So i hear what youre saying, but i was only on 150 test/tren per week. Was a light cycle.
 
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Ok, ya, test would have been in the gutter after 2 weeks on that dose. Is it your first time in tren?
 

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Yes. Liked it. But it made me a little crazy, which I tend toward anyway.

Night sweats too. Overall good experience, but now my stuff just aint working. On clomid, nolva CEL M-Test, Maca, DAA, ostarine 12.5 mg and cardarine 10mg.

My guess is it must be nolva. But im getting bloods so as not to shoot in the dark.
 

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I think 3 weeks of Clomid/Nolva is not enough time to recover, I would run another PCT with Clomid (add Nolva if you want) for 6-8 weeks, retest after that.

btw any cycle with any amount of Tren is not “light”.
 
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I think 3 weeks of Clomid/Nolva is not enough time to recover, I would run another PCT with Clomid (add Nolva if you want) for 6-8 weeks, retest after that.

btw any cycle with any amount of Tren is not “light”.
That's a good point, even tho 150mg of tren is going to be very tolerable for the large majority of people, 19nors at any dose will shut you down hard. I don't remember the exact numbers but something like 10mg of tren per WEEK is enough to completely shut of testosterone production. Trestolone can do it @2mg per week
 
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I’d drop the daa and osta…but that’s just me 🤷‍♂️
 

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I think 3 weeks of Clomid/Nolva is not enough time to recover, I would run another PCT with Clomid (add Nolva if you want) for 6-8 weeks, retest after that.

btw any cycle with any amount of Tren is not “light”.
Point taken. And Im not done pct. I'll keep going if bloods show low test, and hopefully fsh and lh look good by now, and I'm just waiting for test to recover.
 
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You're having sides that you want to correct though.

What are you willing to continue using, even if it means keeping the ED?

If the ED is the most important thing to fix right now, then it seems to me that taking out all variables that can't help with fixing the ED would be the way to go.

You can always reintroduce things later once the ED has been resolved.

And how are the rest of your bloods? How's your liver, BP, etc? Keeping an eye on those?
 

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I think 3 weeks of Clomid/Nolva is not enough time to recover, I would run another PCT with Clomid (add Nolva if you want) for 6-8 weeks, retest after that.

btw any cycle with any amount of Tren is not “light”.
This👆 a " light" cycle is 200mg of test and maybe a little deca per week
 

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You're having sides that you want to correct though.

What are you willing to continue using, even if it means keeping the ED?

If the ED is the most important thing to fix right now, then it seems to me that taking out all variables that can't help with fixing the ED would be the way to go.

You can always reintroduce things later once the ED has been resolved.

And how are the rest of your bloods? How's your liver, BP, etc? Keeping an eye on those?
Yes, ED is the big issue now. I didnt think to remove daa, as maybe the ed is low test related, and daa is to help increase natural production of test.
 

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That's a good point, even tho 150mg of tren is going to be very tolerable for the large majority of people, 19nors at any dose will shut you down hard. I don't remember the exact numbers but something like 10mg of tren per WEEK is enough to completely shut of testosterone production. Trestolone can do it @2mg per week
I've always thought shutdown is shutdown, and if you pin anything, you can count on being shut down when youre done.
 
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Osta will be done by wednesday. Was to control cortisol. Why drop daa tho?
See above!

(I attempted daa many years ago, made my nipples itch!…Dropped it immediately)
 

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I'll drop osta and daa.

Id seen that daa was useless somewhere, but then other places said it was so highly effective. Its the same with ostarine. A whole forum swears by a pct with osta in it, but then you all say cut it out.

I have no problem cutting stuff out that wont help the ed, and it makes sense to look at it that way.

So then has anybody here ever had ed from clomid or nolva?

And should I just stick to one or the other for several weeks now, and at what dose

Right now it's clomid 50 and nolva 20.
 
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I'll drop osta and daa.

Id seen that daa was useless somewhere, but then other places said it was so highly effective. Its the same with ostarine. A whole forum swears by a pct with osta in it, but then you all say cut it out.

I have no problem cutting stuff out that wont help the ed, and it makes sense to look at it that way.

So then has anybody here ever had ed from clomid or nolva?

And should I just stick to one or the other for several weeks now, and at what dose

Right now it's clomid 50 and nolva 20.
I've seen a study on DAA, where it raised test levels some for the first 12 days, but then levels quickly dropped back to starting point. And I've seen another study, where DAA actually lowered test levels. I don't recall of what magnitude the drop was. I've seen bro-speculation of DAA being beneficial for men with low test levels, but not useful or possibly even counterproductive for men with high/ok test levels. So by that hypothesis, it could be beneficial on pct, but that's just some speculation I've seen and anyway it would be a drop in a bucket with serms in the picture.

Osta is suppressive, so it does not make sense to include it in pct. Maybe the ones who think it does, still believe in the "sarms are not suppressive" BS. Or they think, that the serm(s) will over power the Osta's suppressive effect and can benefit from the mild anabolism, while the serm will still pull test levels back up. Anyway, it's suppressive, so it's counterproductive to hormonal recovery.

I've ever only used Tamox, but I see the possible benefit of having both Clomid and Nolva. So no experience on stacking serms, but I'd probably do 25 C and 20 N, if stacking those two.
 

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Yeah 100% drop the ostarine. That caused me issues in this department. Have you used either clomid or nolva before? Maybe try one at a time? You’re at a pretty high dose of each.
 

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I'll drop osta and daa.

Id seen that daa was useless somewhere, but then other places said it was so highly effective. Its the same with ostarine. A whole forum swears by a pct with osta in it, but then you all say cut it out.

I have no problem cutting stuff out that wont help the ed, and it makes sense to look at it that way.

So then has anybody here ever had ed from clomid or nolva?

And should I just stick to one or the other for several weeks now, and at what dose

Right now it's clomid 50 and nolva 20.
 

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I've seen a study on DAA, where it raised test levels some for the first 12 days, but then levels quickly dropped back to starting point. And I've seen another study, where DAA actually lowered test levels. I don't recall of what magnitude the drop was. I've seen bro-speculation of DAA being beneficial for men with low test levels, but not useful or possibly even counterproductive for men with high/ok test levels. So by that hypothesis, it could be beneficial on pct, but that's just some speculation I've seen and anyway it would be a drop in a bucket with serms in the picture.

Osta is suppressive, so it does not make sense to include it in pct. Maybe the ones who think it does, still believe in the "sarms are not suppressive" BS. Or they think, that the serm(s) will over power the Osta's suppressive effect and can benefit from the mild anabolism, while the serm will still pull test levels back up. Anyway, it's suppressive, so it's counterproductive to hormonal recovery.

I've ever only used Tamox, but I see the possible benefit of having both Clomid and Nolva. So no experience on stacking serms, but I'd probably do 25 C and 20 N, if stacking those two.
Might just stick with clomid for now. Im not sure what to do with this part.

All i know is no wood at night/morning, and cialis doesnt help at all.

Osta is out. Daa out. I hope osta is the problem, but it seems like such a low dose to hold me back so much.
 
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I'll drop osta and daa.

Id seen that daa was useless somewhere, but then other places said it was so highly effective. Its the same with ostarine. A whole forum swears by a pct with osta in it, but then you all say cut it out.

I have no problem cutting stuff out that wont help the ed, and it makes sense to look at it that way.

So then has anybody here ever had ed from clomid or nolva?

And should I just stick to one or the other for several weeks now, and at what dose

Right now it's clomid 50 and nolva 20.
Let me guess is that hole forum run by a d****** named Dylan gemelli who looks like 117 lb heroin addict yet claims to be a world expert on anabolics use and every single thing he said about anabolics ever you can find word for word somewhere else on the internet.

Cuz I'm betting it's that guy lol
 

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Never used tren but what about prolactin being high causing ED? @Smont would know
 
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Never used tren but what about prolactin being high causing ED? @Smont would know
It would have happened on cycle most likely, not 5 weeks post. But, even tho I get prolactin sides, not many ppl would if they just controlled there estrogen. Estrogen and prolactin have a balancing act going on.

He was only on 150 test and 150 tren so I would imagine estrogen was on the lower side.

Anyways, the worst thing we can do in this situation is guess and start treating problems based off guessing.

I would finish up pct, get bloods to see where the problem is and go from there. In the meantime get come cailis if you need to swing the wood



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Might just stick with clomid for now. Im not sure what to do with this part.

All i know is no wood at night/morning, and cialis doesnt help at all.

Osta is out. Daa out. I hope osta is the problem, but it seems like such a low dose to hold me back so much.
I recommend Clomid @25mg ed for 6-8 weeks.
 
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I recommend Clomid @25mg ed for 6-8 weeks.
This is a good plan, low dose, long duration and throw in something that has positive effects on sexual function.

To op, something everyone seems to forget is that this is a part of the game, at least potentially. That's why you got to stick with the things you know that work so let this be a lesson for future but it will recover it will get better
 

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Yeah 100% drop the ostarine. That caused me issues in this department. Have you used either clomid or nolva before? Maybe try one at a time? You’re at a pretty high dose of each.
You're saying ostarine caused ed? Or it messed up your pct recovery process?
 

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It would have happened on cycle most likely, not 5 weeks post. But, even tho I get prolactin sides, not many ppl would if they just controlled there estrogen. Estrogen and prolactin have a balancing act going on.

He was only on 150 test and 150 tren so I would imagine estrogen was on the lower side.

Anyways, the worst thing we can do in this situation is guess and start treating problems based off guessing.

I would finish up pct, get bloods to see where the problem is and go from there. In the meantime get come cailis if you need to swing the wood



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Used the code. Saved me $20. Appreciated.

Cialis not helping. Viagra not helping. Everything is shrunk there, bat and balls, and ball bag too. Scary when cialis doesn't help.
 

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This is a good plan, low dose, long duration and throw in something that has positive effects on sexual function.

To op, something everyone seems to forget is that this is a part of the game, at least potentially. That's why you got to stick with the things you know that work so let this be a lesson for future but it will recover it will get better
Thanks. I'll go with it. Staying with M-Test, horny goat weed too.

I'm glad to hear it will all come back. That helps my morale for the next 3 minutes. But the real question is when? 5 weeks is a long time to not feel any signs of life down south. And from the looks of it (blood test will show me more), it's not gonna change tomorrow.
 
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Used the code. Saved me $20. Appreciated.

Cialis not helping. Viagra not helping. Everything is shrunk there, bat and balls, and ball bag too. Scary when cialis doesn't help.
There's like 100 different things involved in getting a erection. Pde5 inhibitors are just a tiny piece of the puzzle. Tren fucks with brain chemicals too and brain chemicals play a big role in sexual function. I know it sucks put all of us talking about this stuff is doing nothing for you because it's all pure guess and speculation.

You need to just sit tight run the PCT and get some blood work. Don't add any more variables if you can help it
 
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Thanks. I'll go with it. Staying with M-Test, horny goat weed too.

I'm glad to hear it will all come back. That helps my morale for the next 3 minutes. But the real question is when? 5 weeks is a long time to not feel any signs of life down south. And from the looks of it (blood test will show me more), it's not gonna change tomorrow.
You're asking questions that no one in the world can answer. Bloodwork and time is what you need
 
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Wait, are you saying Ed started on cycle. I was under the impression it just started...
 

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Wait, are you saying Ed started on cycle. I was under the impression it just started...
No, it started during the 2-week off phase before start of pct. Has been since then, so roughly 5 weeks. Was able to get it to work a few times (maybe 3) in the first 2-3 weeks, but not 100%. Now nothing.
 
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Ok, so 2 weeks post last injection, but was only on 150 test so test crashed and the PCT drugs don't seem to be working yet. Sorry just thinking out loud.

Out of curiosity was there anything else you did new during this time?

I'm like 90% sure that your hormones are just all out of whack and it needs time to pick up and get back online.
 

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No, not that I can think of. I have igf1 from Now brand, to counter the igf1 drop caused by clomid. But its just one tab.

Nothing else.

I'm going for the bloods tomorrow and will post results asap. They took like 4 days last time.

I'm hoping, I guess I am, that my test is just low. Maybe it's even lower than the 128 from 10 days ago. I suppose that would be the "easiest" thing to fix by just taking clomid for a while. I don't know man, This sucks.
 
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You're in a good place to get info and advice. Stay with the plan right now and post those numbers when you get them like you're planning to.

And make sure to do all those other things that help keep test levels good: get good sleep, keep stress low, avoid alcohol, eat right, don't stay sedentary, etc. etc.
 
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I used PT 141 with extremely good results in the past? Obviously you should try to get this resolved but in the mean time I would try PT141 only caveat is that you can't use it more then for me it was 3 times a week else tolerance develops fast!!!
 

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I used PT 141 with extremely good results in the past? Obviously you should try to get this resolved but in the mean time I would try PT141 only caveat is that you can't use it more then for me it was 3 times a week else tolerance develops fast!!!
Thanks. I'll Google it, but tell me something about it.
 
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Thanks. I'll Google it, but tell me something about it.
It's a peptide that is injected subq about 2 to 4 hours before sex and lasts up to 24 hours! It caused erections that were the strongest in my life! Absolutely amazing results from this peptide. Only downside was I experienced unrest from it plus a huge decrease in appetite? Could have been worse and was so effective that it was very much worth it! I would give you a good source but not sure it's allowed?
 
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Thanks. I'll Google it, but tell me something about it.
I could tell you another more about the science and the fact it's a metabolite of the tanning peptide MT2 and acts on the MC3 receptors but I would just do some research if I was you! You can find a lot of information online it's well known so? It's full name is bremelanotide.
 

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It's a peptide that is injected subq about 2 to 4 hours before sex and lasts up to 24 hours! It caused erections that were the strongest in my life! Absolutely amazing results from this peptide. Only downside was I experienced unrest from it plus a huge decrease in appetite? Could have been worse and was so effective that it was very much worth it! I would give you a good source but not sure it's allowed?
Lack of appetite is because it affects the reward system. But it looks likes promising. I checked it out. Will keep it in mind, and maybe order as a nuclear option in case i just cant take this anymore.

In the meanwhile, id rather try to let dopamine levels adjust naturally, if it doesnt take forever.
 

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It's a peptide that is injected subq about 2 to 4 hours before sex and lasts up to 24 hours! It caused erections that were the strongest in my life! Absolutely amazing results from this peptide. Only downside was I experienced unrest from it plus a huge decrease in appetite? Could have been worse and was so effective that it was very much worth it! I would give you a good source but not sure it's allowed?
Can pm me, right?
 

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There's like 100 different things involved in getting a erection. Pde5 inhibitors are just a tiny piece of the puzzle. Tren fucks with brain chemicals too and brain chemicals play a big role in sexual function. I know it sucks put all of us talking about this stuff is doing nothing for you because it's all pure guess and speculation.

You need to just sit tight run the PCT and get some blood work. Don't add any more variables if you can help it
Can't get the bloodwork until next Wednesday. But here's my thought... If I was still "on cycle" for that extra 5 weeks with ostarine, shouldn't i hit up some hcg right now to get a good start for normal pct? That's a long cycle, and at 44, I'm worried about not starting back up at all.
 
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Can't get the bloodwork until next Wednesday. But here's my thought... If I was still "on cycle" for that extra 5 weeks with ostarine, shouldn't i hit up some hcg right now to get a good start for normal pct? That's a long cycle, and at 44, I'm worried about not starting back up at all.
Its a option, osta is probably the reason your nolva ain't working anyway.


I had a guy send me his bloods on osta @10mg a day and his test was in the 200's

Had another guy on this forum dm me how 12.5mg osta dropped his testosterone almost 300points in 2 weeks.
 
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Its a option, osta is probably the reason your nolva ain't working anyway.


I had a guy send me his bloods on osta @10mg a day and his test was in the 200's

Had another guy on this forum dm me how 12.5mg osta dropped his testosterone almost 300points in 2 weeks.
I had under 200 on the 6th week of 15 mg of Osta once.
 

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Its a option, osta is probably the reason your nolva ain't working anyway.


I had a guy send me his bloods on osta @10mg a day and his test was in the 200's

Had another guy on this forum dm me how 12.5mg osta dropped his testosterone almost 300points in 2 weeks.
So lets say I go the hcg route first. I can order today. At least a week till it gets here.

I should stay on clomid and nolva till then? And then proceed as if i had just ended the cycle?

I see a lot of numbers thrown around for hcg post cycle. 2500 eod for 10 days, as an example. Whats recommended around here?

Thanks.
 

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I had under 200 on the 6th week of 15 mg of Osta once.
Dang. I had 128 just two weeks ago. I wonder what happened after that. Assuming the problem was the osta, no wonder nothing works now.
 

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