5 months test e cycle

strongerbond

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hey everyone,i was wondering since i only plan on using 350 to 500mg per week if i could do longer than the usual 12 week period (wanna do 5 months) and recover with just the usual clomid x nolva pct? thank u
 
Main problem

Testosterone replacement therapy inhibits spermatogenesis, representing a problem for hypogonadal men of reproductive age.


Methods

A literature review of PubMed from 1990-2013. Semen analysis and pregnancy outcomes, time to recovery of spermatogenesis, serum and intratesticular testosterone levels were examined.


Results

Exogenous testosterone suppresses intratesticular testosterone production, which is an absolute prerequisite for normal spermatogenesis. Therapies that protect the testis involve human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) therapy or selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs), but may also include low dose hCG with exogenous testosterone. SERMs, such as clomiphene citrate, are effective for maintaining testosterone production and represent a well-tolerated, oral therapy. Routine use of aromatase inhibitors is not recommended based on a lack of long-term data.


Conclusions

Exogenous testosterone supplementation decreases sperm production. Studies of hormonal contraception indicate that most men have a return of normal sperm production within 1 year after discontinuation. Clomiphene citrate is a safe and effective therapy for men who desire to maintain future potential fertility. Although less frequently used in the general population, hCG therapy with or without testosterone supplementation represents an alternative treatment.







That is a long cycle, but if you maintain your HTPA throughout with a SERM you shouldn't have trouble recovering. Ive heard of guys not coming off test for 2-3 years and recovering. You may not though. It IS risky, but personally it sounds like something I would do. Just make sure you train and eat right to make the best of it, I'm sure you know that but just saying.
 
strongerbond said:
hey everyone,i was wondering since i only plan on using 350 to 500mg per week if i could do longer than the usual 12 week period (wanna do 5 months) and recover with just the usual clomid x nolva pct? thank u
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Im just wrappimg up a 20 week run. I am certainly running hcg before pct. I just think its best after so much time suppressed.
 
When do you plan on cutting out the HCG? HCG stimulates testosterone but does not stimulate the pituitary gland. Which means when you drop the HCG it will still take a while for your pituitary to work at full function. I would overlap the HCG and SERM by at least 2 weeks.
 
thank u so much ,im thinking of adding hcg to the mix if i cant get it ill stick to the 12 weeks,do u think the amount of test weekly makes any difference?or a shut down is a shut down?
 
So it’s in reference to fertility not test production if someone would come back. Sheeeet
Damn it! Well if I ruined it I ruined it no going back!
 
I have read a lot about how long full suppression [more than 1 month] will effect the ability to recover fully. Now it's so true that guys can go for 5 years and recover fully or enough, and yet in small examples you can mess up your HTPA with 1 cycle. I'm going to break down what I have read into 4 tiers of shutdown that have an increase in chance of failure to recover at all or fully. These tiers are just a combo of what I read, and I'm making an estimation of what I've read on the percentage of recovery and it is based on a full comprehensive PCT. Tier 1 is 3 months HTPA shutdown is 98% that you will recover. Tier 2 is 5 months 94%. Tier 3 is 9 months 88%. Tier 4 is 1.5 years or more 78%. These are rough percentages because I am just combining studies and examples because I have not found a study that flat out gives percentages of risk. Most of the examples that I have read included 2-6 weeks HCG and 4-8 weeks SERM PCT in various dosages.
 
thank u ,94% is pretty good for 5 months,anyway i can recover with just clomid and nolva? and maybe an AI and no hcg?
 
SERM > HCG. Hcg only stimulates the testes. SERM stimulates the pituitary first. Your HTPA is only “half” awake on HCG. Your pituitary will take a while to wake up when discontinuing.

Fertility is a sign of HTPA function of the testes. Which can be established with HCG.

Clomid produces fertility as well, meaning full HTPA function. This is to the guy who seemed as though he may not fully realize the similarities between fertility and HTPA function (not being shut down)
 
strongerbond said:
thank u ,94% is pretty good for 5 months,anyway i can recover with just clomid and nolva? and maybe an AI and no hcg?
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My next cycle is going to be a 5 monther and even though I'm not a huge fan of HCG I'm still including it just because it's cheap enough so WTF.
 
strongerbond said:
thank u ,94% is pretty good for 5 months,anyway i can recover with just clomid and nolva? and maybe an AI and no hcg?
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You have a much better chance if 100% recovery if you never allow yourself to be shut down. Just saying.
 
RickyBlobby said:
You have a much better chance if 100% recovery if you never allow yourself to be shut down. Just saying.
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This is very true and I have read a bunch about pulsing a SERM while on cycle and there are other techniques as well. It's just from what I have read there has not been a system that I can flat out say "DO THIS"
 
preach! you are right,im just not experienced im only at my 2nd run,i had the best time first run at only 350mg per week ,the feeling of well being is my main motive to try to do 5 months as i deal with anxiety and depression and on meds for that when i did test i felt amazing the muscles were just a bonus really lol but yea the smart thing would be to not shut down in first place,i just didnt think that was an option.
 
I can put it this way...I have 6 guys that I hook up and all of them have done multiple 5 or 6 month cycles and do a full 6 week PCT and are still fine. 1 bro did a blast and cruise for 2 years and PCT ed and is good. Another friend got his wife pregnant while on a 5 month cycle??? so it's honestly really low risk if your smart about it and you never had issues from a 3 month cycle.
 
thank you that makes me feel better about it,yea the 3 months was a breeze except for acne breakouts ( i guess u can say im prone) other than that only lost 6 outta 14lb and testies were fully back in 3rd week of pct
 
RickyBlobby said:
SERM > HCG. Hcg only stimulates the testes. SERM stimulates the pituitary first. Your HTPA is only “half” awake on HCG. Your pituitary will take a while to wake up when discontinuing.

Fertility is a sign of HTPA function of the testes. Which can be established with HCG.

Clomid produces fertility as well, meaning full HTPA function. This is to the guy who seemed as though he may not fully realize the similarities between fertility and HTPA function (not being shut down)
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Why not both?
 
Dthcore said:
Think you can prob do that one hcg protocol where you take a dick load of it in the last 3 weeks or something like that and run the serm through out?
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That may be beneficial. I just think there should be some overlap between dropping the HCG and starting the SERM. Or else your levels will probably still tank while your pituitary gland is waking up
 
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