5 Andro aka 4-DHB?

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5b-androst-1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one. The 5b isomer of DHB.

Pubchem lists it as 5 Andro. DEA doesn’t list it at all...

So it’s still legal. Anybody tried this chemical? Why isnt it out there like mad?

I also found 19-nor-DHB and the Dione and diol thereof are still technically legal as well. Next big thing?
 
my homie at elite formulations offers this.. you dont hear about it because the 5a isomer was the only version they could produce until circa 2 yrs ago.. I heard it took em 5 yrs to crack the nut. thus its pretty expensive for a andro PH... yet it is a 1 step conversion. sooo, i havnt tried it yet but i think there is a log here on AM also i think you can use my code for their products as well.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
my homie at elite formulations offers this.. you dont hear about it because the 5a isomer was the only version they could produce until circa 2 yrs ago.. I heard it took em 5 yrs to crack the nut. thus its pretty expensive for a andro PH... yet it is a 1 step conversion. sooo, i havnt tried it yet but i think there is a log here on AM also i think you can use my code for their products as well.
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Hot damn! Thanks brother.
 
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i think the 3a is what your looking for..
 
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xR1pp3Rx said:
my bad guys.. i see i miss typed the name to the outfit..

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i think the 3a is what your looking for..
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Damn... nope. That’s not quite the chemical. This is pretty much a literal 1-ADione or Diol, or 1-T with the 5b hydrogen instead of 5a I’m looking for. Why pubchem lists it as 5 Andro... No idea. Also like I said 19-Nor-DHB (d1-Nandrolone, Pregn- 1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one) three hormones(olone ,Dione,diol) of that type are still legal as well. Somebody needs to call somebody with a company and get those on the market.
 
However their 11-oxo product is actual adrenosterone, not 11-KT. So I approve of that for sure. It’s my experience the trione version, adrenosterone, is most potent of the two.
 
Old Witch said:
Damn... nope. That’s not quite the chemical. This is pretty much a literal 1-ADione or Diol, or 1-T with the 5b hydrogen instead of 5a I’m looking for. Why pubchem lists it as 5 Andro... No idea. Also like I said 19-Nor-DHB (d1-Nandrolone, Pregn- 1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one) three hormones(olone ,Dione,diol) of that type are still legal as well. Somebody needs to call somebody with a company and get those on the market.
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2kvette
 
Old Witch said:
Damn... nope. That’s not quite the chemical. This is pretty much a literal 1-ADione or Diol, or 1-T with the 5b hydrogen instead of 5a I’m looking for. Why pubchem lists it as 5 Andro... No idea. Also like I said 19-Nor-DHB (d1-Nandrolone, Pregn- 1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one) three hormones(olone ,Dione,diol) of that type are still legal as well. Somebody needs to call somebody with a company and get those on the market.
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i see. have you tried to source it anywhere in its pure raw form?
maybe you cant get the starting matl or something of that nature.
 
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I will be on TRT in january and my doc said i can "experiment" after giving him 6 or so weeks to get me in the 750 or better range. I dont have contacts for gear but hear good things about epi. Would that be the one you would reccomend to stack on trt or is there one or two on there you would advise?
 
Old Witch said:
However their 11-oxo product is actual adrenosterone, not 11-KT. So I approve of that for sure. It’s my experience the trione version, adrenosterone, is most potent of the two.
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Please elaborate how you believe adrenosterone (11-OXO) to be more potent than 11-ketotestosterone/11-kt?
 
delsolrob said:
Please elaborate how you believe adrenosterone (11-OXO) to be more potent than 11-ketotestosterone/11-kt?
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Well, fairly simple, if you take 11oxo it’s active, then converts to another active, 11KT. If you take 11KT it’s active then it converts to inactives.

Not to mention the ketone is the literal “key” to the androgen receptor, so having a double ended key it can fit both ways. More potent.
 
Old Witch said:
Well, fairly simple, if you take 11oxo it’s active, then converts to another active, 11KT. If you take 11KT it’s active then it converts to inactives.

Not to mention the ketone is the literal “key” to the androgen receptor, so having a double ended key it can fit both ways. More potent.
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That is weird. Nearly everyone reckons they need to dose significantly more oxo to get the same kt effect/benefit. Well, thats been my takeaway from feedback by guys who have tried both...youre the first to claim opposite?

I tried 11kt transdermal, extensively, thought it was meh. Maybe I should try oxo.
 
Nac said:
That is weird. Nearly everyone reckons they need to dose significantly more oxo to get the same kt effect/benefit. Well, thats been my takeaway from feedback by guys who have tried both...youre the first to claim opposite?

I tried 11kt transdermal, extensively, thought it was meh. Maybe I should try oxo.
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I think maybe they’re comparing oral 11oxo to TD 11KT. That will skew it some. I just know the 11kt didn’t give me anavar-esque pumps of the skin-tearing variety the way oxo did, and I hypothesize that this is why. Neither one gives great strength gains though.
 
Old Witch said:
5b-androst-1-en, 17b-ol, 3-one. The 5b isomer of DHB.

Pubchem lists it as 5 Andro. DEA doesn’t list it at all...

So it’s still legal. Anybody tried this chemical? Why isnt it out there like mad?

I also found 19-nor-DHB and the Dione and diol thereof are still technically legal as well. Next big thing?
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19-nor-DHB is an antiandrogen IIRC. The beta isomers are weaker all around and the law does say that isomers are banned. But if it’s not on the list then it’s not on the list I guess.

Reason it’s never been produced is because it’s not affordable too. Without stereoselective synthesis routes chromatography becomes the only viable option. An option that requires great expense. Some one may have cracked the code and found a route that doesn’t require chromatography but I doubt it based on the tiny dosages in these 3a-diol products.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
im not gonna lie.. I love me some dark carnival! (epi)

at high doses the stuff makes me strong as hell !!
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Very seriously thnking of 3 tabs per day with my hrt dose or would that be too high? Also does this stuff raise test levels that will show up in my bloods?
 
2kvette said:
19-nor-DHB is an antiandrogen IIRC. The beta isomers are weaker all around and the law does say that isomers are banned. But if it’s not on the list then it’s not on the list I guess.

Reason it’s never been produced is because it’s not affordable too. Without stereoselective synthesis routes chromatography becomes the only viable option. An option that requires great expense. Some one may have cracked the code and found a route that doesn’t require chromatography but I doubt it based on the tiny dosages in these 3a-diol products.
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That’s what I’m getting at... looks like a kilo of the stuff is pretty cheap. Why it’s not on the market as a supp is my bewilderment.

I suppose the trivial name for it would be epi-dhb.
 
jtbull said:
Very seriously thnking of 3 tabs per day with my hrt dose or would that be too high? Also does this stuff raise test levels that will show up in my bloods?
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Not too high. Yes it will raise dht levels to an extreme.
 
On a side note this makes me wish I had the resources to start a supp company or Rc company as a second business.
 
What shops are selling this? Seems i cant find it? its not a "undocumented" supplement yet is it?
 
jtbull said:
What shops are selling this? Seems i cant find it? its not a "undocumented" supplement yet is it?
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If it hit the market it would be new. Apparently. The raws are available, and it even has a modern market trivial name added (5 andro) but it is 4-Dihydroboldenone.
 
Old Witch said:
I don’t have the resources to profit from a new compound on the market but I hope someone who does takes notice... because I do want to try this stuff if I can.
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i assume you're banking on good oral bio availability? interested to see what research turns up.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
i assume you're banking on good oral bio availability? interested to see what research turns up.
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I’m banking on cheap enough raws that 600mg caps is a possibility, or better yet another legal injectable.
 
If it’s anything like regular DHB in price, under a buck a gram. 100 count of 600mg would cost maybe 20 bucks to produce... sells for 50 bucks, you buy two and have a blast.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
since your speculating, what do you think the starting raw is?
what can be used to facilitate this legally
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I would suspect something like 1DHEA, and the legality would depend entirely on performing the 5b hydrogen conversion first however that is done, before acting on the ketone and hydroxy group. The vendors who carry it itself are all legitimate chemical vendors, so they are likely licensed to use DHB itself and simply convert it to 4-DHB.
 
Old Witch said:
The vendors who carry it itself are all legitimate chemical vendors, so they are likely licensed to use DHB itself and simply convert it to 4-DHB.
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are you saying youve found the target hormone already produced somewhere? or are you saying 1 dhea is at the vendors..
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
are you saying youve found the target hormone already produced somewhere? or are you saying 1 dhea is at the vendors..
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I’m saying the hormone I posted about, 4dhb, is available as a raw powder from legitimate chemical vendors, yes.
 
Old Witch said:
I’m banking on cheap enough raws that 600mg caps is a possibility, or better yet another legal injectable.
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You know, ive wondered why no one tries to expand the legal designer injectable options beyond the usual 3 DTA, trest, and dienolone. There are bound to be plenty of other compounds that could still fall into this research loop hole that can be made into injectable
 
Steeleydan said:
You know, ive wondered why no one tries to expand the legal designer injectable options beyond the usual 3 DTA, trest, and dienolone. There are bound to be plenty of other compounds that could still fall into this research loop hole that can be made into injectable
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the problem is the starting point and legality. you cant really make analouges of banned substances.. and even if you dont have to use a banned substance some of the by products are illegal. you are talking about the good ol days pre 2005 when you could make just about anything and sell it. now the way the laws are written, makes it very hard to bring something new to market.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
the problem is the starting point and legality. you cant really make analouges of banned substances.. and even if you dont have to use a banned substance some of the by products are illegal. you are talking about the good ol days pre 2005 when you could make just about anything and sell it. now the way the laws are written, makes it very hard to bring something new to market.
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Well the way the law was written, even what’s still sold is illegal. However that’s not quite how it works and why it’s not enforced that way. That’s why trest is legal. And why 4dhb and similar still fall under that same old distinction as unlisted, even though any anabolic steroid is already covered no matter what by the very merit of being as such.
 
Medfit seems to be using the “this Sports Supplement is not a dietary or nutritional supplement” disclaimer to their legal advantage. Though that will only work for so long. As of now it’s legal til they make it illegal.
 
Would love to see some legal injectables. Missed the pureoils and nos labs train years back.

Everything I’m using atm is legal, at least as a research compound to possess, except some HCG. It’s a great run and I’m smashing PRs, but it’s prohibitively expensive - there must be $600 in hormones alone for a 13wk cycle, and I’m eating pills like a fat kid eats skittles. My liver seems very happy with my supports, but I would still appreciate being able to skip first pass with an oil.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
since your speculating, what do you think the starting raw is?
what can be used to facilitate this legally
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17β-hydroxy-2-bromo-5b-androstan-3-one, which underwent dehydrobromination using lithium carbonate as base with lithium bromide as an additive to give 17β-hydroxy-5b-androst-1-en-3-one
 
Hyde said:
Would love to see some legal injectables. Missed the pureoils and nos labs train years back.

Everything I’m using atm is legal, at least as a research compound to possess, except some HCG. It’s a great run and I’m smashing PRs, but it’s prohibitively expensive - there must be $600 in hormones alone for a 13wk cycle, and I’m eating pills like a fat kid eats skittles. My liver seems very happy with my supports, but I would still appreciate being able to skip first pass with an oil.
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sounds expensive. You dont mind sharing what kind of supplements you taking?
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
im not gonna lie.. I love me some dark carnival! (epi)

at high doses the stuff makes me strong as hell !!
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Just got some dark carnival and was planning on running it w some dermacrine for something effective yet mild. Gotta wait until I’m healed up from hernia repair. Maybe I’ll add some 11-oxo to the mix?
 
jtbull said:
sounds expensive. You dont mind sharing what kind of supplements you taking?
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LGD, 1-DHEA, 4-DHEA, Epiandro in varying amounts.

Started with M1T for 3 wks, then 3weeks Var for a break, now 6 weeks of Superdiol and Methyl-DHT-Oxime at moderate doses.

Just finished LGD and 1-DHEA today after about 10 & 7 weeks, respectively. Epiandro just got cranked up.
 
Oldog said:
Just got some dark carnival and was planning on running it w some dermacrine for something effective yet mild. Gotta wait until I’m healed up from hernia repair. Maybe I’ll add some 11-oxo to the mix?
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that would get a guy diced for sure!
 
Hyde said:
LGD, 1-DHEA, 4-DHEA, Epiandro in varying amounts.

Started with M1T for 3 wks, then 3weeks Var for a break, now 6 weeks of Superdiol and Methyl-DHT-Oxime at moderate doses.

Just finished LGD and 1-DHEA today after about 10 & 7 weeks, respectively. Epiandro just got cranked up.
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How did the M1T treat you? And... is that superdiol from the same place with Ana v Diol?
 
Old Witch said:
How did the M1T treat you? And... is that superdiol from the same place with Ana v Diol?
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Like M1T. You gain 10lbs in 2 weeks and you feel like it. Breathing and moving are tough and you’re winded sitting down, and you don’t have a lot of energy in the gym. But when you flex on the weights you can set PRs.

The Superdiol is Celtic Labs I picked up back in the day for $20/bottle; only running 40mg for 6 weeks. I would trust anything from that source though; my ancillaries from him I’ve used were all g2g.
 
Hyde said:
Like M1T. You gain 10lbs in 2 weeks and you feel like it. Breathing and moving are tough and you’re winded sitting down, and you don’t have a lot of energy in the gym. But when you flex on the weights you can set PRs.

The Superdiol is Celtic Labs I picked up back in the day for $20/bottle; only running 40mg for 6 weeks. I would trust anything from that source though; my ancillaries from him I’ve used were all g2g.
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Wish I would’ve picked up some Celtic Labs back in the day:
 
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