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4ad cyp-good or bad?

bionicBC

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hey, i made some 4ad cyp injectable from powder last night, with 5g 4ad cyp, 1ml BA, 1ml BB, and oil to equal 20ml, which comes out to 250mg/ml (with 5%BA, and 5% BB-painless, right?) The only problem is, though, when I finished up, it said the solution should be an opaque (milky) color, but its not- its almost clear. Do you think this is safe to use? Everything is sterile, and i followed the instructions to a t....
BC
 
Who said it should be milky looking? They are wrong. It should be quite clear, though slightly less clear than pure oil. You don't want any undisolved particles.
 
Greenguy said:
Who said it should be milky looking? They are wrong. It should be quite clear, though slightly less clear than pure oil. You don't want any undisolved particles.
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Well that makes me feel better. Would 1cc, 3 times a week, for a total of 750mgs be about right, or could i up it to 1g a week?
 
id say for real steroid like effects take 3300mg a week if you can hack it that would be 495mg of test

multiply by .15 because of the 15% conversion rate
 
BryanM said:
id say for real steroid like effects take 3300mg a week if you can hack it that would be 495mg of test

multiply by .15 because of the 15% conversion rate
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Good God man!!! I thought I dosed high. I love it at about 2100mg/week.
 
1600 was a fun ride, i can't imagine doubling it.

What kind of gains did you see off that level?
 
bionicBC said:
Well that makes me feel better. Would 1cc, 3 times a week, for a total of 750mgs be about right, or could i up it to 1g a week?
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The results that Supersoldier posted from his blood tests seemed to indicate that he got the same test level that one would get from 1/3 of the amount of 4ad cyp he took.

With Sledge's 300mg/ml 4ad cyp I did 2mls 3 times a week for a total of 1800mg/week, this seemed to be similar to 600mg of test.

So, the more the merrier....
 
note that conversion tables (15% for example) fail to account for the (alleged) intrinsic properties of 4-ad, in addition to its properties when it converts to test

i think leaving that out, gives problematic answers.

iow, assume for the sake of argument that the 15% conversion factor is valid, and thus 2 gms of 4-adcyp a week = 300 gms of test-cyp per week

i think the gains people are getting off of 2gms a week are greater than people would get off of 300 gms of test cyp per week, thus suggesting that EITHER the conversion factor is off, OR they are failing to account for the intrinsic properties (pre conversion) of 4-ad
 
Greenguy said:
Who said it should be milky looking? They are wrong. It should be quite clear, though slightly less clear than pure oil. You don't want any undisolved particles.
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Well I did my first pin in my glute yesterday, 1cc/250mg-today, no pain at all, and ready to go!
BC
 
jjjd said:
i think the gains people are getting off of 2gms a week are greater than people would get off of 300 gms of test cyp per week, thus suggesting that EITHER the conversion factor is off, OR they are failing to account for the intrinsic properties (pre conversion) of 4-ad
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jjjd said:
i think the gains people are getting off of 2gms a week are greater than people would get off of 300 gms of test cyp per week, thus suggesting that EITHER the conversion factor is off, OR they are failing to account for the intrinsic properties (pre conversion) of 4-ad
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I actually think it's a combination of the two.

/karp
 
there is not one scientifical study of evidence (that ive read at least if anyone has a link or something let me know) showing 4ad unconverted has any anabolic properties to it whatsoever. However 5ad is anabolic preconverted. Go to bodybuilding.com thats one place that has the conversion ratios.

And no way does 4ad cyp compare to 600mg of test cyp a week bro ive done both and the gains are much much more solid with test cyp for me i noticed a lot of weight gain but a much higher percentage was lbm with test cyp over 4ad cyp. The only benefit that 4ad has is its legality.

And when you state that the gains are greater with the 2 grams 4ad cyp then are the 300mg test cyp you cant really compare the two there is too many factors involved diet, trainning, rest, if its the first cycle or not. No two cycles are ever alike wether it be in the same person or in various people.
 
I'm pretty sure that the 15% conversion at BB.com (if it's from the article that I'm thinking of) is for ORAL 4AD, which is very inefficient because of first-pass liver metabolism. The conversion factor for injectable 4AD would definitly be higher than for oral.

/karp
 
well there you guys go thanks for the link supersoldier and jrkarp you are thinking about absorbtion rates not conversion rates no matter how much you absorb there is still a 15.76% conversion rate in the blood. Now absorbtion for injection probably greater than 99% but oral is probably around 5%

so super you took 2100 which would be equivalent to 315mg of test and bobos study showed around 1,345 for 300mg test e but again not everyones body acts the same way in absorbing chems and converting properly so this explains yours jumped to 1878
so then it proves the conversion ratio to be correct.At least for the first total test reading that you took dont know if you were using hcg during that time also which could have raised it around 500.

but later in the thread you stated around 3500 so i am damn confused maybe i was wrong? but the factors of using a dht blocker and the 3% chance that the machine was off and the hcg confuse me!!! I was so set on thinking that 4ad doesnt have an anabolic property.

what do you guys think?
 
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I'm gonna run some labs momentarily, I've been using 2100mg of straight 4AD-cyp for 3 weeks now. No HCG since 4 weeks ago. Let's see...
 
Testosterone: 954 ng/dl; Estradiol 128 pg/ml; Progesterone 1.46 ng/ml; Prolactin 11.28 ng/ml; Cortisol 8.64 ug/dl

This is on a brand new chemistry analyzer, different than the one used in all my previous testing in the link to the thread I posted earlier.

Yes, I am bloated as a motherf... I'll be dosing some Letro as soon as I get home.
 
supersoldier said:
Testosterone: 954 ng/dl; Estradiol 128 pg/ml; Progesterone 1.46 ng/ml; Prolactin 11.28 ng/ml; Cortisol 8.64 ug/dl

This is on a brand new chemistry analyzer, different than the one used in all my previous testing in the link to the thread I posted earlier.

Yes, I am bloated as a motherf... I'll be dosing some Letro as soon as I get home.
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so then this makes more sense as to verifing the 15% conversion rate correct?

keep us posted because i sure would like to find out if 4ad is anabolic in its unconverted state!!!
 
i don't know if it is anabolic in unconverted state, but the unconverted 4-ad definitely has libido effects.

2 gms of injected 4-ad prop per week has incredible (almost disturbing) libido enhancement imo/ime.

far more than the rate of test gotten through conversion would suggest.
 
jjjd said:
i don't know if it is anabolic in unconverted state, but the unconverted 4-ad definitely has libido effects.

2 gms of injected 4-ad prop per week has incredible (almost disturbing) libido enhancement imo/ime.

far more than the rate of test gotten through conversion would suggest.
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how would you judge that correctly?

wouldnt even 1 mg more test then your body is used to recieving on a daily basis give you more erections then normal?

I am trying to verify the 15% conversion rate so this is very confusing!
 
i can compare it (n=1) based on the effects of both compounds.

PA has said (and i agree) that 4-ad has properties intrinsic to the compound, in addition to the properties that one gets based on the conversion

i think the libido factor supports this theory
 
I guess I will wait and see if supersoldier takes more blood tests to compare to the already give studies in the other thread for regular test e.
 
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