40Yr Old Returning. Natural Advise me fellow mature men.

newbielifter66

newbielifter66

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40yr male

All the basics are in check, diet , working out etc, its been over 2 months now and this is longest I have worked out, I have a history in Muay Thai, not so much in resistance training but now I am getting older and realise the importance of muscle maintenance. So the goal is to make more muscle so that my latter years aren't a misery.

I am recomping , slight deficit, with the goal to keep/add muscle and lose body fat (26% ) since I have so much of it, i'd be happy at 15% in due course.

So your thoughts on my stack? Any additions? Any subtractions, substitutions? Interested to also know what worked for you mature men out there if anything. Advice is appreciated.

I think this is a decent stack to start me off for the purpose of fat loss along with better mood, focus and muscle growth. ( I will change the stack when i eat at maintenance or surplus )
  • M-Test
  • BASIS
  • DCP Ultra
  • SNS Pepti-plex
  • CEL MPC185
2 bottles of each to start .
 
I think that you've gotten a lot of good feedback on your stack in your thread in the supplement section. You'll generally get a lot more feedback in that section when it comes to supplements than in this section.

I think that is a good stack and I think that you'll be very pleased with it.
 
You could mix and match those products or use them all in one stack. I think some ppl have already said that in your other thread. If you want to add something, add creatine. I know it sounds basic but no supplement has stood the test of time as long and we know it works and it's cheap and if you run the dosage of it up pretty high it's not just good for your muscles it also becomes good for your brain health.

More then anything, just work on consistency and progressive overload in the weight room. The progression doesn't have to be gigantic jumps as long as they're adding an extra rep or 2 or an extra set or an extra couple pounds here and there and your going to make progress. If you can get back into Muay Thai or kickboxing it would definitely help with fat loss heart health and your overall conditioning. I'm not saying you are going to go get competitive at it again but you could hop into some classes if you have the time. There's plenty of guys who train boxing,kickboxing, jiu jitsu, and all that type of stuff in their 30s 40s and 50s who have no interest in Fighting. And I know that for a fact because I'm the strength and conditioning coach at the gym. Lots of these guys would never do any cardio if it wasn't for their sport or martial art that they're playing around with on the side of weight training. I do most of my cardio hitting the heavy bag. My whole life I was a wrestler and I had a couple boxing matches and a MMA fight in my late teens. And when I decided to go back to the weight room I just started doing all those things again. I was out the gym drinking and partying till I was 34, it took me about 1 year of consistency (natural at the time) to get back what I had lost over 10 years. I'm turning 41 next week and I absolutely am in the best shape of my life and I've gotten back there by doing a combination of boxing, grappling along side.

When I deal with any of my clients who are struggling to get back in shape it's usually cardio and diet where they have the most trouble. And I tell these guys if you don't want to do cardio go do something you enjoy that makes you sweat and breathe heavy. You might just want to go shoot the basketball around or you might want to go hit the punching bag or you might even want to go running. But anything's better than nothing. Also the more active you become the more calories you get to eat so that's always a bonus.

Make a plan, stick to the plan and those supplements will help you get to the finish line faster.

And if you're anything like me, once you start getting close to the finish line, you'll start setting the bar a little higher and keep on trucking along. Every once in awhile you might Sprint ahead, but overall, this is a marathon, and it can go as long as you'd like it to.

Good luck boss
 
Smont said:
You could mix and match those products or use them all in one stack. I think some ppl have already said that in your other thread. If you want to add something, add creatine. I know it sounds basic but no supplement has stood the test of time as long and we know it works and it's cheap and if you run the dosage of it up pretty high it's not just good for your muscles it also becomes good for your brain health.

More then anything, just work on consistency and progressive overload in the weight room. The progression doesn't have to be gigantic jumps as long as they're adding an extra rep or 2 or an extra set or an extra couple pounds here and there and your going to make progress. If you can get back into Muay Thai or kickboxing it would definitely help with fat loss heart health and your overall conditioning. I'm not saying you are going to go get competitive at it again but you could hop into some classes if you have the time. There's plenty of guys who train boxing,kickboxing, jiu jitsu, and all that type of stuff in their 30s 40s and 50s who have no interest in Fighting. And I know that for a fact because I'm the strength and conditioning coach at the gym. Lots of these guys would never do any cardio if it wasn't for their sport or martial art that they're playing around with on the side of weight training. I do most of my cardio hitting the heavy bag. My whole life I was a wrestler and I had a couple boxing matches and a MMA fight in my late teens. And when I decided to go back to the weight room I just started doing all those things again. I was out the gym drinking and partying till I was 34, it took me about 1 year of consistency (natural at the time) to get back what I had lost over 10 years. I'm turning 41 next week and I absolutely am in the best shape of my life and I've gotten back there by doing a combination of boxing, grappling along side.

When I deal with any of my clients who are struggling to get back in shape it's usually cardio and diet where they have the most trouble. And I tell these guys if you don't want to do cardio go do something you enjoy that makes you sweat and breathe heavy. You might just want to go shoot the basketball around or you might want to go hit the punching bag or you might even want to go running. But anything's better than nothing. Also the more active you become the more calories you get to eat so that's always a bonus.

Make a plan, stick to the plan and those supplements will help you get to the finish line faster.

And if you're anything like me, once you start getting close to the finish line, you'll start setting the bar a little higher and keep on trucking along. Every once in awhile you might Sprint ahead, but overall, this is a marathon, and it can go as long as you'd like it to.

Good luck boss
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Yes creatine I have been loading on for a long time for cognitive ability.

Appreciate your insight, well written. I will most likely get back in to MT at some point, until then im just doing cycling and keeping it at mainly zone 2 for now.

I have never been one to go too deep in to hypertrophy and body building as it wasn't needed for combat but I have always been in shape apart from the last decade or so due to variable factors.

This is the first time where I want to take it seriously and as natural as possible to see how I can alter my body aesthetically. Who knows later down the line i may fall in love it and want to go to the next level.

For now it is all about gaining as much muscle and getting as lean as possible naturally ( that could change, who knows ) .
 
newbielifter66 said:
Yes creatine I have been loading on for a long time for cognitive ability.

Appreciate your insight, well written. I will most likely get back in to MT at some point, until then im just doing cycling and keeping it at mainly zone 2 for now.

I have never been one to go too deep in to hypertrophy and body building as it wasn't needed for combat but I have always been in shape apart from the last decade or so due to variable factors.

This is the first time where I want to take it seriously and as natural as possible to see how I can alter my body aesthetically. Who knows later down the line i may fall in love it and want to go to the next level.

For now it is all about gaining as much muscle and getting as lean as possible naturally ( that could change, who knows ) .
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If I can offer one valuable piece of advice for building muscle, give whatever program you start a fair chance. 2-3 months into a training program is usually where you start to notice things changing, but lots of guys switch up there programs way too soon.

The best programs and the best diets are the ones you can stick to. When something seems too easy, it probably is, and when there's a exercise you dread doing, it's probably the one you should be doing the most lol. It's a love hate relationship 😂
 
Smont said:
If I can offer one valuable piece of advice for building muscle, give whatever program you start a fair chance. 2-3 months into a training program is usually where you start to notice things changing, but lots of guys switch up there programs way too soon.

The best programs and the best diets are the ones you can stick to. When something seems too easy, it probably is, and when there's a exercise you dread doing, it's probably the one you should be doing the most lol. It's a love hate relationship 😂
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Completely agreed
 
Smont said:
If I can offer one valuable piece of advice for building muscle, give whatever program you start a fair chance. 2-3 months into a training program is usually where you start to notice things changing, but lots of guys switch up there programs way too soon.

The best programs and the best diets are the ones you can stick to. When something seems too easy, it probably is, and when there's an exercise you dread doing, it's probably the one you should be doing the most lol. It's a love hate relationship 😂
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This…. This is the way!
 
@Smont said it best. Consistency and progressive overload. 40 isn't 20... but speaking from experience it ain't 57! As you get older, Injury becomes more of an issue. Learn the difference between good pain and bad and LISTEN when your body tells you no! I still struggle with that 😩.
 
jfigliuolo said:
@Smont said it best. Consistency and progressive overload. 40 isn't 20... but speaking from experience it ain't 57! As you get older, Injury becomes more of an issue. Learn the difference between good pain and bad and LISTEN when your body tells you no! I still struggle with that 😩.
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Second this. For me at 44, the name of the game is just to stay in the game. Example, just yesterday my groin starts hurting out of nowhere. I said **** it and did some **** I probably shouldn't have. Now I'm going to have an achy groin for 2 weeks.

As far as supplements, I haven't taken anything you listed but everyone has raved about BASIS. I actually have 3 bottles of it but it arrived a little too late to be used during my strength phase this year. So I'm waiting until next winter. For what its worth here are a few supplements I used other than your basics.
CEL Api-Plex - thought it helped maintain strength during a cut.I'll be using again next month.
SNS Recomp20 - seemed to keep the bloat off my face last winter.
SNS Optimize-t - was hopeful it might help with libido during a cut. I did not notice any benefits with two bottles.
SNS Ursa-bolic - recomping seems to be going nice with it. Still getting stronger with no weight gain lately. Just started my third bottle. Still don't expect miracle results from this.
 
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